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[Donnstar]

Mike Shepard wrote...

Guys. Listen up, I'm about to drop a knowledge bomb on ya'll. Mass Effect 3 will be a complete game at release. this isn't Star Wars: Knights of the Republic II: The Sith Lords (I am looking at you, Obsidian!). It's gonna be complete. The Day One DLC will be an extra character. I mean Zaeed was Day One DLC. No one really had that much of an issue with Zaeed right? If it costs money and you don't want to pay the money then don't. But if that's the case don't go into your whole but I want a complete game!! I want everything!! etc rants. You can't have your cake (complete game) and----

EXCUSE ME?

I can't have a complete game that I paid FULL price for? 

Are you guys really this bonkers? I know BSN is filled to the brim with hardcore Bioware fans but how can anyone support EA games and Bioware scamming us?

If the dlc character was developed by release than they OBVIOUSLY could afford to develop it without milking more cash. Especially since collectors edition is for fanboys who like to.. get this.. COLLECT THING.

They have it for movies as well. Do you think they get secret endings? No, they get a fancy little box and some silly trinkets.

Modifié par Donnstar, 09 janvier 2012 - 11:50 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

Why is the bonus squadmate only free for CE anyway? Zaeed was free for every new copy as an incentive to buy the game new. Only the CE has incentive now?

[Mike Shepard]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Didn't expect that much backlash from my comment. Let me explain....the game will be complete without this character. that's just a fact. You will get a complete game for $60. the extra character is just that....extra. im not some fanboy with a life sized statue of Shepard in my yard, or a Shepard Fathead, or a custom made scale model of the Normandy in a glass case in a locked safe in my house. (note the last one I actually know someone who does....) I'm not a "BioWare Fanboy." maybe it doesn't sound like that right now. But! BUT! I have resigned myself to the DLC being extra. I guarantee the people complaining here makes up a small percentage of the people who intend to buy Mass Effect 3. Do you intend to buy the game? Be honest. Is not having one character, that for all you know, could turn out to be entirely meaningless to the storyline, going to ruin your enjoyment of the game? It wouldn't for me. Be happy they're making the game. They could have taken all their money from the first and second games and kept it and bought fancy vacations with it. BioWare cares about their fans though. If you want to blame someone, blame the retailers that bribe EA/BioWare to get the pre-order bonuses. It's not ideal but I've resigned myself to it. I am not going to participate in this discussion anymore. Good luck to all of you.

[Mike Shepard]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Why is the bonus squadmate only free for CE anyway? Zaeed was free for every new copy as an incentive to buy the game new. Only the CE has incentive now?

I don't think it is free for the CE. there have been conflicting reports.

Now I'm done. Good luck folks.

[Stephenc13]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Bioware puts extra character in CE for fans willing to pay a little extra. People complain that everyone should have the extra character.

Bioware makes the extra character purchasable by everyone. People complain that they have to pay for it if they don't buy the CE.
.

I agree completely.

[Wulfram]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Why is the bonus squadmate only free for CE anyway? Zaeed was free for every new copy as an incentive to buy the game new. Only the CE has incentive now?

They've got multiplayer to screw used copies out of, so they can use the day 1 DLC to extract more money.

Of course in my case, it's going to lose them some money.  I'm not paying release price for an incomplete game, so they'll get £10-£15 later rather than £30.

[chance52]

Donnstar wrote...

Mike Shepard wrote...

Guys. Listen up, I'm about to drop a knowledge bomb on ya'll. Mass Effect 3 will be a complete game at release. this isn't Star Wars: Knights of the Republic II: The Sith Lords (I am looking at you, Obsidian!). It's gonna be complete. The Day One DLC will be an extra character. I mean Zaeed was Day One DLC. No one really had that much of an issue with Zaeed right? If it costs money and you don't want to pay the money then don't. But if that's the case don't go into your whole but I want a complete game!! I want everything!! etc rants. You can't have your cake (complete game) and----

EXCUSE ME?

I can't have a complete game that I paid FULL price for? 

Are you guys really this bonkers? I know BSN is filled to the brim with hardcore Bioware fans but how can anyone support EA games and Bioware scamming us?

If the dlc character was developed by release than they OBVIOUSLY could afford to develop it without milking more cash. Especially since collectors edition is for fanboys who like to.. get this.. COLLECT THING.

They have it for movies as well. Do you think they get secret endings? No, they get a fancy little box and some silly trinkets.

They are and in a few years when we are all being sold high res graphics packages as DLC they will still be defending this type of practice using the same arguments.  "Look guys the low res game is the complete game! If you want the high res graphics you have to get the collectors edition or pay for the DLC because that is a bonus feature! What's not to understand, it's more thus a bonus feature, duh!"

[Calibrationmaster]

where do you see that collector edition will have a free character and other people dont?

i will be so pissed if bioware prevent me from have it , i agree the character will not be free to people that buys this game used , but this is just sick

[Starfishsicko]

Calibrationmaster wrote...

where do you see that collector edition will have a free character and other people dont?

i will be so pissed if bioware prevent me from have it , i agree the character will not be free to people that buys this game used , but this is just sick

Here:



Not saying it wont be free to others, but the idea, I believe, comes from the advertisment of this trailer.

[Eski.Moe]

My internet connection is poo so I hate having to go an download anything off Live, let alone content that should already be in the game. I actually wouldn't be averse to an extra disc being shipped with the CE where we could just install all the extras to the HD then pop in the ME3 proper and get to playing. Downloading content costs money. I'm not talking about paying to access extra content but actually having to download it. We have data caps here in Oz.

It's why the so called 'Signature' edition of DA2 annoyed me so. I still haven't downloaded Sebastian or any of that.

I'm not even going into how ridiculously priced the CE of ME3 is here but hey! I mean, our standard version is quite a bit more expensive than the CE in the US so you can only imagine...

Modifié par Eski.Moe, 09 janvier 2012 - 05:19 .

[Calibrationmaster]

Starfishsicko wrote...

Calibrationmaster wrote...

where do you see that collector edition will have a free character and other people dont?

i will be so pissed if bioware prevent me from have it , i agree the character will not be free to people that buys this game used , but this is just sick

Here:



Not saying it wont be free to others, but the idea, I believe, comes from the advertisment of this trailer.

i will not buy this collectors edition but i hope we can get this, i hope its free to all copyes of the game BUT if they lock this and only people who bought the colletors edition can play it i will be so ****ing pissed.

sebastian all over again and lame tactics

[Pedrak]

What ultimately will influence my judgment on this will be the quality of the game.

If ME3 will be long and awesome and will keep its promises, and the DLC itself will be well-done (say like the Stone Prisoner or LOTSB) it won't bother me that they choose to make us pay for an extra character. It's not necessary to finish or enjoy the game, so if I feel like spending a few more bucks for some extra flavor I can, otherwise nobody is pointing a gun at me, and having an extra party member in a videogame is not like some primary social need. It's not as if they're taxing the air I breath.

ON THE OTHER HAND, if ME3 will be a disappointing, short, buggy mess and the DLC itself will be mediocre, people will have all rights to mock BioWare/EA for their avariciousness to make us pay for extra content while they didn't even bother to do a good job with the "core" game.

Modifié par Pedrak, 09 janvier 2012 - 05:36 .

[BloodyTalon]

I don't see the problem, most of the games do day dlc now, and the CE edition is massively cheaper then alot of CEs now a-days.

Day one dlc is here and has been for awhile and is here to stay love it or hate its here to stay,

Anyone else per-order the CE?

[AlanC9]

The PLC wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

JasonDaPsycho wrote...

DLCs are meant to extend the period of popularity, not acting as excuses for releasing unfinished games.

Don't forget discouraging used game sales.

People who picks up the regular edition will have to pay extra for the extra squaddie. So how does that encourage people to buy new?!

As Knightstar2001 says, I wasn't talking about the CE character. I'm thinking about the Project Ten Dollar stuff. Like Zaeed and the other stuff for ME2 that all new buyers get. I haven't heard what ME3's doing along these lines, but unless EA's revised their policy there's going to be something.

[KingDan97]

AlanC9 wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Wow... you really missed the point there.

Why are you assuming that in a world without DLC Bio would allocate the resources that would have going into making DLC into making ME3 bigger, rather than, say, putting those folks to work on TOR? Because you'd really like to get a bigger version of ME3 is not a reason.

EA is not "forced" to release day 1 DLC, you know.  It's a policy for them to nickel-and-dime you by cutting content from the discs.

Of course they're not forced. They're not forced to sell that content as DLC, and they're not forced to make that content in the first place.

But cutting from the discs? That's obvious nonsense. That content was never part of the discs in the first place. Hell, the discs don't even exist; I doubt they've gotten as far as a release candidate yet.

Okay, let's present 2 situations here.

Situation 1: Bioware does what EA execs tell them to.
*5 months ago*

EA: Hey, get something ready for launch to put in all new copies of the game.

Bioware: Okay, we should have the resources for that, and our fans seemed o like Shale, Sebastian and Zaeed.

EA: Okay, good to hear, proceed.



Situation 2: Bioware doesn't do what EA execs tell them to.
*5 months ago*

EA: Hey, get something ready for launch to put in all new copies of the game.

Bioware: You know what? No.

EA: Okay, we'll just disassemble your franchise development team and hand the mangled corpse of your current work on ME3 over to another development team who will be more willing to work with us, don't worry about your name though, because they'll be integrated into it.

Bioware: Wait, did I say no, I meant yes, yes yes yes we'll do whatever you want? Want my firstborn child? Please don't take my job, ruin my career and send me into financial turmoil!

EA: That's what we thought you said, proceed.


EA OWNS BIOWARE, they get the final word and the best that Bioware may be able to do is some scaling on what EA wants done.

[BatmanPWNS]

You know funny enough after reading about this thread. I decided to type in Google images:
"Day 1 DLC sucks" and the first thing that came out was a picture of Zaeed.

[BloodyTalon]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

You know funny enough after reading about this thread. I decided to type in Google images:
"Day 1 DLC sucks" and the first thing that came out was a picture of Zaeed.

Nice share.

[KingDan97]

Starfishsicko wrote...

Calibrationmaster wrote...

where do you see that collector edition will have a free character and other people dont?

i will be so pissed if bioware prevent me from have it , i agree the character will not be free to people that buys this game used , but this is just sick

Here:



Not saying it wont be free to others, but the idea, I believe, comes from the advertisment of this trailer.

Go back to the ME2 forums on the old Bioware forum site and look around to see how many "CE only gets Cerberus Network!?!!?!?!?!?!" theads there are.

I rest my case.

[AlanC9]

Eski.Moe wrote...

My internet connection is poo so I hate having to go an download anything off Live, let alone content that should already be in the game. I actually wouldn't be averse to an extra disc being shipped with the CE where we could just install all the extras to the HD then pop in the ME3 proper and get to playing. Downloading content costs money. I'm not talking about paying to access extra content but actually having to download it. We have data caps here in Oz.

Yeah, the industry hasn't been very sensitive to people without always-on unlimited capacity broadband lately. Back when DAO released I was still using dial-up. Took me three nights or so to download Stone Prisoner.

How big a cap is typical down there?

[AlanC9]

KingDan97 wrote...

Of course they're not forced. They're not forced to sell that content as DLC, and they're not forced to make that content in the first place.

But cutting from the discs? That's obvious nonsense. That content was never part of the discs in the first place. Hell, the discs don't even exist; I doubt they've gotten as far as a release candidate yet.

Okay, let's present 2 situations here.

Situation 1: Bioware does what EA execs tell them to.
*5 months ago*

EA: Hey, get something ready for launch to put in all new copies of the game.

Bioware: Okay, we should have the resources for that, and our fans seemed o like Shale, Sebastian and Zaeed.

EA: Okay, good to hear, proceed.



Situation 2: Bioware doesn't do what EA execs tell them to.
*5 months ago*

EA: Hey, get something ready for launch to put in all new copies of the game.

Bioware: You know what? No.

EA: Okay, we'll just disassemble your franchise development team and hand the mangled corpse of your current work on ME3 over to another development team who will be more willing to work with us, don't worry about your name though, because they'll be integrated into it.

Bioware: Wait, did I say no, I meant yes, yes yes yes we'll do whatever you want? Want my firstborn child? Please don't take my job, ruin my career and send me into financial turmoil!

EA: That's what we thought you said, proceed.

EA OWNS BIOWARE, they get the final word and the best that Bioware may be able to do is some scaling on what EA wants done.

Good point. Of course, I should have said that EA isn't forced. Bio is forced, but not EA.

OTOH, I'm not sure the production process works quite the way you describe it. It's probably more like:

Bio: Here's the production plan for ME3.

EA exec. Wait a minute. Where's the Day 1 DLC, CE DLC, and post-release DLC?

Bio: Well, we think those are evil so we're not doing them.

EA: 
Okay, we'll just disassemble your franchise development team and hand the mangled corpse  ......(etc.)

[Chris Priestly]

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