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[Someone With Mass]

aridor1570 wrote...

Isn't the article reporting things that happened in game, things the writer experianced?

Probably so, but even then it's easy to mistake one thing for another.

[1136342t54_]

IanPolaris wrote...
This quote doesn't prove a thing about Turians.

-Polaris

It proves that Humanity is the fastest growing species and gained a Council seat faster than any other race. Faster than the Turians.

[IanPolaris]

1136342t54 wrote...

The lore even shows that Humanity is the fastest growing race period. That would mean that the the Turians had an embassy either during or not long after the Krogan Rebellions.

It makes more sense that the Turians had an embassy before they were on the Council. It wouldn't make sense otherwise. Either way I'm starting to suggest you would need a dev to speak on it so you would be convinced.

No it doesn't.  I merely means that humanity went from a pre-FTL socity to a galactic power faster than the Turians and that is all.  It says nothing about if the Turians were an associate member before, and there is no evidence that they were.  They seem to have been inducted as full members although they were in contact (as allies) with the Council for a bit more than a century before that.

-Polaris

[DiebytheSword]

Fdingo wrote...

Ha. So the spoilers/leak about Mars and Eva were true.

Pretty much, I would suspect that things in the datamine that were well fleshed out with dialogue are going to maintain their general shape with minor changes.  The endings and romances and certain areas that were obviously not well fleshed out are likely where the changes occured from our leak to their final build. 

I've said it before, I'll say it again:

Its great if you want to know what direction they were headed in, but it isn't going to be 100% accurate in the end.

[MisterJB]

1136342t54 wrote...
Multiple reasons. Although a more clear one would be that they wanted a client race. I have been hearing that the Reaper artifact was another reason.

So, either destruction or enslavement. How nice.
Also, the Reaper monolith could explain the occupation of Shanxi but not the attack on our exploratory ships.

[IanPolaris]

Wulfram wrote...

Advantages the Turians?  Rather the opposite.  The fundamental arithmetic of the Treaty of Farixen is 3+3 > 5.  Or to put it another way, it exists as a way to stop the Turians from creating a fleet larger than that of the Founding Council races.

True which is no doubt the main reason why the Turians agreed to take part in the SSV Normandy project.  As much as the Turians dislike (some like Saren hate) humanity, I think the Turian Generals were impressed by humanity's ability to do more with less, and they want in on that action.

-Polaris

[Savber100]

Wulfram wrote...

edit: More on topic:

The thresher maw killing the reaper continues to bug me.  It can only happen because the Reaper is stupidly designed and stupidly employed.

Who said the Reaper lost? 

The writer kinda ended right when the Reaper seems to go down. Several of the E3 previews (from IGN I think) all indicated that the Reaper is DEFINITELY not being taken down by a Thresher Maw no matter how big. 

[DiebytheSword]

1136342t54 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...
This quote doesn't prove a thing about Turians.

-Polaris

It proves that Humanity is the fastest growing species and gained a Council seat faster than any other race. Faster than the Turians.

That makes the Turian Heirarchy non-aggressive how?

[Hedera]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

So um, did Liara forget her helmet at the digsite and had to settle for a breather mask?

I'm assuming by 2185 Mars has been at least to some extent terraformed.  Shepard just doesn't have a breathing mask handy, so uses his/her helmet.
As for why they need breathing masks after terraforming, notice the HUGE SANDSTORM in the background?

Modifié par cgrimm54, 09 janvier 2012 - 11:29 .

[1136342t54_]

DiebytheSword wrote...

That makes the Turian Heirarchy non-aggressive how?

different argument. When have I claimed they weren't aggressive?

[chris2365]

Can somebody tell me if this story preview is good? No spoilers please

Thanks

[DiebytheSword]

IanPolaris wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Advantages the Turians?  Rather the opposite.  The fundamental arithmetic of the Treaty of Farixen is 3+3 > 5.  Or to put it another way, it exists as a way to stop the Turians from creating a fleet larger than that of the Founding Council races.

True which is no doubt the main reason why the Turians agreed to take part in the SSV Normandy project.  As much as the Turians dislike (some like Saren hate) humanity, I think the Turian Generals were impressed by humanity's ability to do more with less, and they want in on that action.

-Polaris

Excellent point, the Turians didn't develop our tactics in war, and see nothing wrong with keeping their "enemies" closer to glean our tools from us.  A very shrewd move, even if the eventual plan is a full alliance.  It makes sence to keep up with the neighbors.

[XkooleS99]

"A political-economic pact for collective colonial security, the Alliance is the central galactic institution of human society. The Alliance gained associate membership to the Citadel Council in 2165 and full membership in 2183, with Ambassador David Anderson or Donnel Udina (depending on the player's choice) representing humanity. " or http://masseffect.wi...erson_Codex.ogg

[Wulfram]

MisterJB wrote...

Logical deduction. The turians witnessed a never before seen species breaking a council law. Ignoring the fact that humans were not under the council's authority at the time, there were a myriad of peaceful solutions for this problem. For example, position their ships in front of the relay and fire a few warning shots.

Instead, they shot to kill. When we retaliated, instead of trying to negotiate and explain their actions, they occupied what could have been our homeworld for all they knew. When we kicked them out, they started mobilizing for large scale war.

Is there any other conclusion that can be drawn from this besides "The turians wanted to kill or enslave us all"?

The initial response is a pretty clear example of the people on the ground screwing up.  Happens all the time.  Then the maintenance of imperial prestige tends to force you to pretend you were in the right and fight on on the basis of that, particularly if you suffer embarrassing losses.

Shanxi was only 5 years old at most at first contact.  It can't have been anything anyone could confuse with a homeworld.

[Someone With Mass]

cgrimm54 wrote...
I'm assuming by 2185 Mars has been at least to some extent terraformed.  Shepard just doesn't have a breathing mask handy, so uses his/her helmet.

I think that Shepard didn't have his helmet on outside until he saw the sandstorm in the script.

[DiebytheSword]

1136342t54 wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

That makes the Turian Heirarchy non-aggressive how?

different argument. When have I claimed they weren't aggressive?

Indeed, I just realized you were not the individual I was arguing that with earlier, my apologies. 

[1136342t54_]

IanPolaris wrote...

No it doesn't.  I merely means that humanity went from a pre-FTL socity to a galactic power faster than the Turians and that is all.  It says nothing about if the Turians were an associate member before, and there is no evidence that they were.  They seem to have been inducted as full members although they were in contact (as allies) with the Council for a bit more than a century before that.

-Polaris

No the Codex clearly suggests that humanity's fast growth is a main reason for the resentment many races feel about them. 

Would you at the very least attempt to provide evidence that the Turians gained a council seat faster than any other species.

If not then there is no point in discussing this.

[Hedera]

chris2365 wrote...

Can somebody tell me if this story preview is good? No spoilers please

Thanks

That's kind of subjective.  I personally think it looks well and good, but I'm sure there are plenty who view it as proof that cancelling their pre-order was the right decision.  The only way to know if it's 'good' for you is to read it, unfortunately.

[Darth Death]

I'm somewhat disappointed with cerberus & TIM motives. I thought they would have a more interesting reasoning for their extreme methods. TIM character seems a bit cheapen in the 3rd installment, IMO of course.

[Hedera]

Someone With Mass wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...
I'm assuming by 2185 Mars has been at least to some extent terraformed.  Shepard just doesn't have a breathing mask handy, so uses his/her helmet.

I think that Shepard didn't have his helmet on outside until he saw the sandstorm in the script.

Exactly.  
"Oh crap giant sandstorm.  Everyone, breathing masks on!"
Just because Mars is a barren, inhospitible wasteland now doesn't mean it isn't tolerable a hundred and seventy years in the future.  and remember: Mass Effect Fields.

[IanPolaris]

1136342t54 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

No it doesn't.  I merely means that humanity went from a pre-FTL socity to a galactic power faster than the Turians and that is all.  It says nothing about if the Turians were an associate member before, and there is no evidence that they were.  They seem to have been inducted as full members although they were in contact (as allies) with the Council for a bit more than a century before that.

-Polaris

No the Codex clearly suggests that humanity's fast growth is a main reason for the resentment many races feel about them. 

Would you at the very least attempt to provide evidence that the Turians gained a council seat faster than any other species.

If not then there is no point in discussing this.

I didn't say faster than any other species as I recall.  I believe I said faster than humanity.  The Turians did not gain their seat faster than the Asari or Salarians did after all.  They got them as fast.  It was given to them on admittance.

It all depends on how you count it.  If you count from first contact, then yes Humanity was faster.  However, if you count from admittance into Council Space, then it's not.  The Turians seem to have been indepedant (although allied) until they were inducted in as full members (and that was quoted above).

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

1136342t54 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

No it doesn't.  I merely means that humanity went from a pre-FTL socity to a galactic power faster than the Turians and that is all.  It says nothing about if the Turians were an associate member before, and there is no evidence that they were.  They seem to have been inducted as full members although they were in contact (as allies) with the Council for a bit more than a century before that.

-Polaris

No the Codex clearly suggests that humanity's fast growth is a main reason for the resentment many races feel about them. 

Would you at the very least attempt to provide evidence that the Turians gained a council seat faster than any other species.

If not then there is no point in discussing this.

That in no way shows that the Turians were ever "associate members" let alone longer than humanity.

-Polaris

[Drone223]

cgrimm54 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...
I'm assuming by 2185 Mars has been at least to some extent terraformed.  Shepard just doesn't have a breathing mask handy, so uses his/her helmet.

I think that Shepard didn't have his helmet on outside until he saw the sandstorm in the script.

Exactly.  
"Oh crap giant sandstorm.  Everyone, breathing masks on!"
Just because Mars is a barren, inhospitible wasteland now doesn't mean it isn't tolerable a hundred and seventy years in the future.  and remember: Mass Effect Fields.

Mass Effect Fields pretty much solve's the galaxies technological issue's

I wonder is Shepard is being kept alive by Mass Effect Fields

Modifié par Drone223, 09 janvier 2012 - 11:40 .

[IanPolaris]

Here it is: We have the codex entries for the Turians and Humanity. In the case of Humanity, the date of associate membership AND full membership are clearly deliniated. In the case of the Turians, had the Turians been an associate member, that date would likewise have been noted.

It is not. The Turian codex entry only states when the Turians were inducted into the Cidadel Council AS FULL MEMBERS.

The conclusion is clear: The Turians were never associate members. [It's worth noting that all races that are or were associate members have that date listed in the respective codex entries. So far humanity is the only one to be promoted from associated to full.]

-Polaris

[BlueMagitek]

Wulfram wrote...

The initial response is a pretty clear example of the people on the ground screwing up.  Happens all the time.  Then the maintenance of imperial prestige tends to force you to pretend you were in the right and fight on on the basis of that, particularly if you suffer embarrassing losses.

Shanxi was only 5 years old at most at first contact.  It can't have been anything anyone could confuse with a homeworld.

No one ever accused Turians of being smart. 

Unknown alien attempting to violate a rule that they couldn't possibly no about?

Kill it with fire and then try and enslave their planet.