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Someone With Mass wrote...

And what if they simply tried it for the sake of developing a way of terraforming planets in case they need it?

Not all planets are going to be like Earth, you know.


Be a very expensive research project (planets are big) and that's what this would amount to.  For that matter reasonably earthlike planets seem common enough to make this economically unfeasable.

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IanPolaris wrote...

Basically it gives lie to the often (and often by Turian) complaint that Humanity is being given too much power too quickly.  In fact the Turians never had to wear 'training wheels" like they insist other races do.  It proves the Turian Heiarchy (and Asari and Salarians too to be fair) are hypocrits.

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No, it doesn't.  Turians fought a centuries long war to earn their spot, humanity got it for one battle where the Turians did the bulk of the fighting anyway.  And the Turians were an established Space Empire for centuries before they even met the Council, while humanity had only just discovered Mass Effect technology. 

Minor technicalities, which the game doesn't even think worth discussing, about the precise status of the Turians when they were fighting the Krogan don't affect that point.

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1136342t54 wrote...

Now get back on topic regarding the thread. I'm wondering how far they will be taking the Cybernetic implants.

Will it be similar to Deus Ex HR or Ghost in the Shell?

We do know that cybernetics can increase strength and durability to the point where Shepard can face Yahg in hand to hand and not get torn a part.


You mean for the Cerberus troopers?

I'd guess that it varies from type to type.

Kai Leng is getting some serious work in the cybernetics department. I don't think that they want to spend so many resources on regular troops, though.

It's probably just something for the special operatives like the Phantoms.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 10 janvier 2012 - 12:21 .


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IanPolaris wrote...

Be a very expensive research project (planets are big) and that's what this would amount to.  For that matter reasonably earthlike planets seem common enough to make this economically unfeasable.

-Polaris


Many space projects can be considered economically unfeasible.

It's all a matter of whenever the investors sees it as a good long term investment or not.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Now get back on topic regarding the thread. I'm wondering how far they will be taking the Cybernetic implants.

Will it be similar to Deus Ex HR or Ghost in the Shell?

We do know that cybernetics can increase strength and durability to the point where Shepard can face Yahg in hand to hand and not get torn a part.


You mean for the Cerberus troopers?

I'd guess that it varies from type to type.

Kai Leng is getting some serious work in the cybernetics department. I don't think that they want to spend so many resources on regular troops, though.

It' probably just something for the special operatives like the Phantoms.


I was thinking more in general since Kaidan was nearly taken out by a cybernetically enhanced operative. Phantoms seem like very skilled biotics likely implanted with some cybernetics to enhance their skill. Kai Leng could be at the level of Paul Grayson?

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Here's what the Mars description says:

"Once considered a prospect for terraforming and colonization, the discovery of faster than light travel turned Mars into a quiet backwater."

That does not say "They terraformed it" to me.

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didymos1120 wrote...

Here's what the Mars description says:

"Once considered a prospect for terraforming and colonization, the discovery of faster than light travel turned Mars into a quiet backwater."

That does not say "They terraformed it" to me.


Huh.

Well, it doesn't rule out that they are able to terraform planets.

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didymos1120 wrote...

Here's what the Mars description says:

"Once considered a prospect for terraforming and colonization, the discovery of faster than light travel turned Mars into a quiet backwater."

That does not say "They terraformed it" to me.

I originally mentioned mass effect fields.  I'll say it again.  Mass Effect Fields.
And I know the argument is lame, but just because they didn't say it IS terraformed doesn't mean it isn't.  

And at this point, any debate we have could be rendered moot come March.  Hell, come the end of the month or whenever the Demo comes out.  Maybe it'll be explained, maybe not.

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didymos1120 wrote...

Here's what the Mars description says:

"Once considered a prospect for terraforming and colonization, the discovery of faster than light travel turned Mars into a quiet backwater."

That does not say "They terraformed it" to me.


Terraforming would likely be a lengthy, involved process with many stages, and preparing the atmosphere appears to be the first step, either with comet collisions or biological agents, either way they could have started and stopped.  If they did so, Mars would have an atmosphere for quite some time before the Sun ripped it off with stellar wind, thus making Mars safe for walking around on exposed, but unsuitable for breathing.

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DiebytheSword wrote...

Terraforming would likely be a lengthy, involved process with many stages, and preparing the atmosphere appears to be the first step, either with comet collisions or biological agents, either way they could have started and stopped.  If they did so, Mars would have an atmosphere for quite some time before the Sun ripped it off with stellar wind, thus making Mars safe for walking around on exposed, but unsuitable for breathing.

Actually, depending on where you are and the weather, it is possible to do that without a sealed hardsuit right now.  The only problem you might have is the massive difference in temperature between ground level (relatively balmy) and head level (blisteringly cold).  It's entirely within reason to assume they could have built up a thicker atmosphere to alleviate that problem, if only to save money on hardsuits and insulation.

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IanPolaris wrote...

XkooleS99 wrote...

 "In the midst of the Krogan Rebellions, the Citadel Council made first contact with the turians.The Krogan Rebellions[/b] were a major conflict between the krogan and the Citadel Council that began in 700 CE and continued for decades(the majority of krogan were subdued by 800 CE, although scattered insurgent actions would continue for decades) .By 900 CE, the turians were granted full membership on the Citadel
Council in gratitude for their service during the Krogan Rebellions. The
turian military fills the military and peacekeeping niche left by the
decimated krogan."
"Humanity's first contact with an alien race occurred in 2157.A political-economic pact for collective colonial security, the Alliance
is the central galactic institution of human society. The Alliance
gained associate membership to the Citadel Council in 2165 and full
membership in 2183, with Ambassador David Anderson or Donnel Udina
(depending on the player's choice) representing humanity." 

Hope this helps


Exactly.  Note what is listed for Humanity's entry but NOT listed for the Turians.  Date of associate membership.  The Citadel was never in danger during the Rebellions and record keeping even to the Rachni wars is very good, so if the Turians were ever associate members, it should be listed as such with date of membership.

Instead it seems very clear:  The Turians were Council Allies for about 200 years and then granted full membership.  They were never associate members (like Humanity was or like the Volus and Elcor are).

-Polaris



 If you go to the Citadel, PA  terminal #3(the Krogan statue). I think it said the turians were uplifted, by the council to help them with their Korgan problems.

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IBPROFEN wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

XkooleS99 wrote...

 "In the midst of the Krogan Rebellions, the Citadel Council made first contact with the turians.The Krogan Rebellions[/b] were a major conflict between the krogan and the Citadel Council that began in 700 CE and continued for decades(the majority of krogan were subdued by 800 CE, although scattered insurgent actions would continue for decades) .By 900 CE, the turians were granted full membership on the Citadel
Council in gratitude for their service during the Krogan Rebellions. The
turian military fills the military and peacekeeping niche left by the
decimated krogan."
"Humanity's first contact with an alien race occurred in 2157.A political-economic pact for collective colonial security, the Alliance
is the central galactic institution of human society. The Alliance
gained associate membership to the Citadel Council in 2165 and full
membership in 2183, with Ambassador David Anderson or Donnel Udina
(depending on the player's choice) representing humanity." 

Hope this helps


Exactly.  Note what is listed for Humanity's entry but NOT listed for the Turians.  Date of associate membership.  The Citadel was never in danger during the Rebellions and record keeping even to the Rachni wars is very good, so if the Turians were ever associate members, it should be listed as such with date of membership.

Instead it seems very clear:  The Turians were Council Allies for about 200 years and then granted full membership.  They were never associate members (like Humanity was or like the Volus and Elcor are).

-Polaris



 If you go to the Citadel, PA  terminal #3(the Krogan statue). I think it said the turians were uplifted, by the council to help them with their Korgan problems.


They were never uplifted, they had spacefaring tech of their own when the council made first contact with them. Remember the unification wars, outer turian colonies fought with Palaven and their central worlds.

Krogans were uplifted, even humans were kinda, since we wouldnt even be a space faring species without that knowledge and tech found in prothean ruins. Then again I dont know if turians had a quite pure upbringing either, they might have also found prothean tech that elevated them. It is never mentioned tough.

Modifié par Armass81, 10 janvier 2012 - 01:42 .


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cgrimm54 wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Terraforming would likely be a lengthy, involved process with many stages, and preparing the atmosphere appears to be the first step, either with comet collisions or biological agents, either way they could have started and stopped.  If they did so, Mars would have an atmosphere for quite some time before the Sun ripped it off with stellar wind, thus making Mars safe for walking around on exposed, but unsuitable for breathing.

Actually, depending on where you are and the weather, it is possible to do that without a sealed hardsuit right now.  The only problem you might have is the massive difference in temperature between ground level (relatively balmy) and head level (blisteringly cold).  It's entirely within reason to assume they could have built up a thicker atmosphere to alleviate that problem, if only to save money on hardsuits and insulation.


That's pretty much my point, the first step would be thickening the atmosphere, the result of which may take thousands of years to undo.

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Armass81 wrote...

IBPROFEN wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

XkooleS99 wrote...

 "In the midst of the Krogan Rebellions, the Citadel Council made first contact with the turians.The Krogan Rebellions[/b] were a major conflict between the krogan and the Citadel Council that began in 700 CE and continued for decades(the majority of krogan were subdued by 800 CE, although scattered insurgent actions would continue for decades) .By 900 CE, the turians were granted full membership on the Citadel
Council in gratitude for their service during the Krogan Rebellions. The
turian military fills the military and peacekeeping niche left by the
decimated krogan."
"Humanity's first contact with an alien race occurred in 2157.A political-economic pact for collective colonial security, the Alliance
is the central galactic institution of human society. The Alliance
gained associate membership to the Citadel Council in 2165 and full
membership in 2183, with Ambassador David Anderson or Donnel Udina
(depending on the player's choice) representing humanity." 

Hope this helps


Exactly.  Note what is listed for Humanity's entry but NOT listed for the Turians.  Date of associate membership.  The Citadel was never in danger during the Rebellions and record keeping even to the Rachni wars is very good, so if the Turians were ever associate members, it should be listed as such with date of membership.

Instead it seems very clear:  The Turians were Council Allies for about 200 years and then granted full membership.  They were never associate members (like Humanity was or like the Volus and Elcor are).

-Polaris



 If you go to the Citadel, PA  terminal #3(the Krogan statue). I think it said the turians were uplifted, by the council to help them with their Korgan problems.


They were never uplifted, they had spacefaring tech of their own when the council made first contact with them. Remember the unification wars, outer turian colonies fought with Palaven and their central worlds.

Krogans were uplifted, even humans were kinda, since we wouldnt even be a space faring species without that knowledge in prothean ruins. Then again I dont know if turians had a quite pure upbringing either, they might have also found prothean tech that elevated them. It is never mentioned tough.


The salarians disagree, as their first contact teams were called uplift teams.  While the Krogan had space faring vehicles, they did not posses FTL Spaceflight or mass effect technology.

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 I take it that "mass effect fields " is the new "a wizard did it" <_<

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Yay the game sounds better and better...more reasons for me to slack off on homework in March :). Kaidan/Ashley being critically injured just worries me because then we most likely don't have them on our squad for awhile :( I want them to be on my team. I wonder if their romance plots can develop when their injured? Shepard given K/A some TLC when they are getting better maybe ;)

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Not much here that wasn't in the leak.

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1136342t54 wrote...

Now get back on topic regarding the thread. I'm wondering how far they will be taking the Cybernetic implants.

Will it be similar to Deus Ex HR or Ghost in the Shell?

We do know that cybernetics can increase strength and durability to the point where Shepard can face Yahg in hand to hand and not get torn a part.

No no no, you're doing it wrong. You should really be asking, "in what light will cybernetic implants be seen in the post-Deus Ex era?"
:wizard:

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Maybe this wsa already established...

but what if you didn't save mordin or the genophage data cure?

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What if you have Maelon's Research, and Mordin died on the suicide mission?

Modifié par MindoirsSoleSurvivor, 10 janvier 2012 - 03:45 .


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If it wasn't in the OP, then it wasn't addressed in the article.

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Thank you didymos1120 for posting the article. Was an interesting read. Makes me even MORE excited for the game. I just hope that the VS isnt sidelined for too long since we've waited years to have them back on our team.

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Still don't like the convenient discovery of a Reaper-reaping superweapon that's revealed just as Shepard is hightailing it out of the system.

The introduction for this thing had better be less ridiculous than Hackett going, "Hey, lookit what we found, Shepard! Whew! And just when we need it most! Excellent timing, amirite?"

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cgrimm54 wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Terraforming would likely be a lengthy, involved process with many stages, and preparing the atmosphere appears to be the first step, either with comet collisions or biological agents, either way they could have started and stopped.  If they did so, Mars would have an atmosphere for quite some time before the Sun ripped it off with stellar wind, thus making Mars safe for walking around on exposed, but unsuitable for breathing.

Actually, depending on where you are and the weather, it is possible to do that without a sealed hardsuit right now.  The only problem you might have is the massive difference in temperature between ground level (relatively balmy) and head level (blisteringly cold).  It's entirely within reason to assume they could have built up a thicker atmosphere to alleviate that problem, if only to save money on hardsuits and insulation.


Wasn't one of the planets in ME1 in the process of being terraformed? I think it was a side-planet that had a constant stream of comets coming into the atmosphere.

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I honestly like everything I read in that article except the VS being severely injured. If they're sidelined for more than 4 hours real-life time, I'm gonna get pissed. We already had a whole game without the VS save for a 5 minute argument. Seriously, Bioware, why does the VS always get shafted?