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[dreman9999]

mcneil_1 wrote...

 I take it that "mass effect fields " is the new "a wizard did it" <_<

From the very start of the series. It's call "Mass Effect" for a reson.

[wellactually12]

Doofe2012 wrote...

I honestly like everything I read in that article except the VS being severely injured. If they're sidelined for more than 4 hours real-life time, I'm gonna get pissed. We already had a whole game without the VS save for a 5 minute argument. Seriously, Bioware, why does the VS always get shafted?

True that.

If I had to take a guess at it though: I would say they want to make the VS the more vulnurable and human character in the game...

or they just are like:
"Oh! wouldn't it be great if (X) happened!?!"
"But who could we have (X) happen to?"
"... The VS!, they had a small role in ME2 so lets even it out."

[felipejiraya]

This was a really interesting read!

Thanks didymos1120!

[Eclipse_9990]

Cerberus trying to tame the Reapers? Using husk tech on their own people? I never liked those bastards. Also being able to fake the Genophage cure, and distribution?

Hell ****ing yes. I'm starting to love Salarians more.

[quote]jcraft wrote...

"A new reputation system rewards those players who'd rather not conform solely to Paragon or Renegade Shepard. Now playing it straight - sympathising with some people and snapping at others - will also grant you some unique dialogue options. Importing old saves will mean you start with extra reputation as well..."
[/quote]

Oh my god.. Best news ever. 

[quote]IanPolaris wrote...

Basically it gives lie to the often (and often by Turian) complaint that Humanity is being given too much power too quickly.  In fact the Turians never had to wear 'training wheels" like they insist other races do.  It proves the Turian Heiarchy (and Asari and Salarians too to be fair) are hypocrits.

-Polaris[/quote]

[/quote]

What!? You're either very misinformed or just outright lying. The Turians had to fight a 100 year long war for them to become a  member  of the council. While humanity joined the council after what? 1 battle?

Also I think you're using the word "hypocrite" in the wrong way. A hypocrite is someone who engages in the same behaviors he/she condemns others for. 

There is nothing hypocritical in the complaints about humanity at all. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 10 janvier 2012 - 06:15 .

[IanPolaris]

The Turians didn't "have" to fight a 100 year war to prove themselves to the council. They chose to join after being independant and their price was to be a full council member with no waiting period. It DOES make the Turians a bit hypocritical when the demand other races to 'wait' when they never had to.

-Polaris

[Fixers0]

Mesina2 wrote...

It did.

To your Shepard's character.

But Shepard has no Character.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Thanks for posting all this.  I'm still waiting for my copy of Game Informer.

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

jcraft wrote...

"A new reputation system rewards those players who'd rather not conform solely to Paragon or Renegade Shepard. Now playing it straight - sympathising with some people and snapping at others - will also grant you some unique dialogue options. Importing old saves will mean you start with extra reputation as well..."

Oh my god.. Best news ever. 

This is great news. All of my Shepards have a mixed morality, and the Paragon/Renegade system could be hard to work around in ME2.

[Fiery Phoenix]

chris2365 wrote...

Can somebody tell me if this story preview is good? No spoilers please

Thanks

It's definitely good. The "spoilers" are nothing you wouldn't expect; it just runs you down the mission and how it plays in general. But it's awesome!

[Eclipse_9990]

IanPolaris wrote...

The Turians didn't "have" to fight a 100 year war to prove themselves to the council. They chose to join after being independant and their price was to be a full council member with no waiting period. It DOES make the Turians a bit hypocritical when the demand other races to 'wait' when they never had to.

-Polaris

They waited one hundred bloody(And I mean this literally) years. Humans had to fight what? One battle? One
, and they got their council seat.

If the Mass Effect verse was actually a thing; like a thing that was happening right now, and I was a Turian. I would be disconcerted about this development as well. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 10 janvier 2012 - 06:46 .

[IanPolaris]

Eclipse,

You are assuming that the Turians begged for immediate admission right after first contact but there is absolutely no evidence for this (and indeed what little evidence there is suggests otherwise).

No, AFTER the Turians won the Council's war for them, they asked (likely demanded knowing the Turians) that they be let in as full members (with an implied 'or else'). That's hardly "waiting".

-Polaris

[Eclipse_9990]

IanPolaris wrote...

Eclipse,

You are assuming that the Turians begged for immediate admission right after first contact but there is absolutely no evidence for this (and indeed what little evidence there is suggests otherwise).

No, AFTER the Turians won the Council's war for them, they asked (likely demanded knowing the Turians) that they be let in as full members (with an implied 'or else'). That's hardly "waiting".

-Polaris

Where did you get the idea that the Turians asked for membership? Do you have a source? Because my source simply says they were inducted into the council. They never mentioned the Turian asking for it; also I remember when I was talking to Avina ingame she said that the Turians were asked to join.

If you have any evidence to the contrary it would be nice to see a link. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 10 janvier 2012 - 07:06 .

[wasp777]

Huh...good point, it is a time of crisis no matter what your stance on the genophage is. I really want to see what the salarian council member has to say about it. I'm just worried that if you lose the support of the salarians, then by proxy you lose the support of the other council races, which is troublesome since the turians fleet is much stronger than the krogan, apparently strong enough that the genopage was designed to protect the krogan from the turians, not vice versa.

[IanPolaris]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Eclipse,

You are assuming that the Turians begged for immediate admission right after first contact but there is absolutely no evidence for this (and indeed what little evidence there is suggests otherwise).

No, AFTER the Turians won the Council's war for them, they asked (likely demanded knowing the Turians) that they be let in as full members (with an implied 'or else'). That's hardly "waiting".

-Polaris

Where did you get the idea that the Turians asked for membership? Do you have a source? Because my source simply says they were inducted into the council. They never mentioned the Turian asking for it; also I remember when I was talking to Avina ingame she said that the Turians were asked to join.

If you have any evidence to the contrary it would be nice to see a link. 

You just proved my point.  The Turians didn't WAIT to join anything.  The Council "asked" them to join.  Being the cynic that I am (or realist I prefer to think), I suspect that the Council "asked" the Turians to join at the implied business end of a Turian rifle (or battlefleet), but the point remains that the Turians joined as a full member with no waiting period....and that makes their criticism of humans not willing to wait to be a little hypocritical.

-Polaris

[Eclipse_9990]

IanPolaris wrote...

You just proved my point.  The Turians didn't WAIT to join anything.  The Council "asked" them to join.  Being the cynic that I am (or realist I prefer to think), I suspect that the Council "asked" the Turians to join at the implied business end of a Turian rifle (or battlefleet), but the point remains that the Turians joined as a full member with no waiting period....and that makes their criticism of humans not willing to wait to be a little hypocritical.

-Polaris

What? What you're saying is making no sense to me. 

IanPolaris wrote... 


The Council "asked" them to join. 

 

That's what I said. 

IanPolaris wrote...  


 Being the cynic that I am (or realist I prefer to think), I suspect that the Council "asked" the Turians to join at the implied business end of a Turian rifle (or battlefleet) 

  

This is just your personal assumption. There is no evidence to back this up.
I might as well say that the Vorcha are secretly Protheans, and act the way they do simply to gather intelligence on the other races. 

You can not make credible arguments based on just assumption/speculation. Especially if there is evidence the contrary. 

IanPolaris wrote...   

but the point remains that the Turians joined as a full member with no waiting period 

   

But.. They did wait. 100 years, maybe even more than that. The Turians did their duty, and they were deemed worthy of joining the council for multiple reasons. The Turians role in the creation of C-Sec, they're natural sense of duty, and their sense of public service. The war was just another reason for them to join. The Turians earned their place in the council with blood, sweat(can Turians sweat?), and patience. 

IanPolaris wrote...    

and that makes their criticism of humans not willing to wait to be a little hypocritical. 

  


I literally just explained why they aren't hypocrites even a little bit. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 10 janvier 2012 - 07:26 .

[Winterfly]

Who the hell would even buy this game and play action mode? What kind of idiots do Bioware think we are?

[breyant]

Winterfly wrote...

Who the hell would even buy this game and play action mode? What kind of idiots do Bioware think we are?

I thought the same question because the dialogue and decisions are my favorite part of Mass Effect but now that I think about it, I'm sure a lot of people will use action mode. Especially since EA is marketing this game towards the third-person shooter crowd, they're going to see this dialogue wheel and all this boring talking and wonder what the hell they just bought.

[RiouHotaru]

For those saying the leaked script is close to the final product?

One level does not confirm the entire thing. Remember, at the end he states that it was one of many possible outcomes.

As for the modes? I don't see a reason NOT to include them. I'm sure after the first playthrough I'll want to focus on just the story or just the action.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

So, if story mode is basically the same as RPG mode with easier combat... is it supposed to be easier than Casual in ME2, or did Casual in RPG mode become so much more difficult that they had to add a new one?

That's the only thing I'm confused about.  If it is like ME2 Casual, I'll probably play this "story mode" first.

[wright1978]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

So, if story mode is basically the same as RPG mode with easier combat... is it supposed to be easier than Casual in ME2, or did Casual in RPG mode become so much more difficult that they had to add a new one?

That's the only thing I'm confused about.  If it is like ME2 Casual, I'll probably play this "story mode" first.

Pretty sure story mode doesn't have the same level of conversation choice as RPG mode.

[didymos1120]

wright1978 wrote...

Pretty sure story mode doesn't have the same level of conversation choice as RPG mode.

Yes it does.  The only mode that alters dialogue is Action mode. 

[didymos1120]

Winterfly wrote...

Who the hell would even buy this game and play action mode? What kind of idiots do Bioware think we are?

People who are not you. 

[Dean_the_Young]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

So, if story mode is basically the same as RPG mode with easier combat... is it supposed to be easier than Casual in ME2, or did Casual in RPG mode become so much more difficult that they had to add a new one?

That's the only thing I'm confused about.  If it is like ME2 Casual, I'll probably play this "story mode" first.

It's probably not only easier foes, but less of them as well. Fewer waves, fewer enemies in waves.

In ME1 and ME2, the difficulty changed the challenge of the enemies, but not how many there were or where they were. In the Story Mode, you could well see foes removed from the map and reinforcements, making the battles even shorter.

[BiggBno]

@IanPolaris
The codex doesn't state either way if the Turians were an associate member or not before the were offered FULL membership or not.  But the phrase "granted FULL membership" strongly suggests the were a member race before this time.

Besides, ally or member race they still waited nearly 200 years before they were on the council. And in that time they still had strong ties with the citadel council and races. Whether they waited that long by their own will or had to sit waiting for the Salarians and Asari acknowledge them as equal allies is beyond the point. It still took them nearly two hundred years to get a council seat.

[didymos1120]

This thread is not about the turians.