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[Dubya75]

leeboi2 wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

PurebredCorn wrote...

Mike Laidlaw said this yesterday on twitter.

"Mike_Laidlaw Mike Laidlaw
Also, those of you enduring non-DA tweets waiting for the good stuff? I promise it will all be worth it one day. "

That's kind of Dragon Age-y... sort of.

Yeah, they've promised "awesome new Dragon Age stuff" before, got us all excited and then it turns out to be some non-game related stuff no-one cares about.
That tweet means absolutely nothing! And why did Mike not leave that comment here? Isn't this the Dragon Age community? 

No, this is the 'community' that just insults and ****es about anything Bioware do, didn't you know?

You see, that's not entirely true. We give constructive criticism (for the most part).

[Fast Jimmy]

Or we at least do it in an entertaining fashion.

[Andy379]

After playing through the first DLC I felt that if the Coregame was made up of 8-10 quest lines like it, It would be a much better game.

[ElitePinecone]

Dubya75 wrote...
We give constructive criticism (for the most part).

Unfortunately, surely there's a reason most devs have stopped posting on the forums? There've been some fascinating exchanges with, say, David Gaider, John Epler, Mr Woo and Mike Laidlaw, but nowhere near the level of interaction that happened pre-DA2. 

It wouldn't have anything to do with a not-insignificant number of people who use pretty hurtful personal attacks on some devs or Bioware as a whole to express their dissatisfaction with rhe game? 

I mean, I wouldn't want to pay attention to the forums if a fair chunk of it is weight jibes aimed at devs and pontificating by people who wouldn't know the development process from their elbow. 

(That said, some of the constructive criticism has been great, and I'd guess Bioware apperciates the feedback for Legacy and MoTA in particular.)

Also, doesn't Mr Laidlaw's tweet suggest we won't be getting any DA news for a while?

[Dubya75]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...
We give constructive criticism (for the most part).

Unfortunately, surely there's a reason most devs have stopped posting on the forums? There've been some fascinating exchanges with, say, David Gaider, John Epler, Mr Woo and Mike Laidlaw, but nowhere near the level of interaction that happened pre-DA2. 

It wouldn't have anything to do with a not-insignificant number of people who use pretty hurtful personal attacks on some devs or Bioware as a whole to express their dissatisfaction with rhe game? 

I mean, I wouldn't want to pay attention to the forums if a fair chunk of it is weight jibes aimed at devs and pontificating by people who wouldn't know the development process from their elbow. 

(That said, some of the constructive criticism has been great, and I'd guess Bioware apperciates the feedback for Legacy and MoTA in particular.)

Also, doesn't Mr Laidlaw's tweet suggest we won't be getting any DA news for a while?

Yes, there is that. However I don't think the insults and such are unique to these forums. It happens everywhere in the industry.
But we are all human after all and I guess you can't blame them for not engaging with us socially anymore.
The flip-side of the coin however would suggest that they are partly to blame for the social climate here.

I don't follow Twitter, but if that's what Laidlaw said (i.e. there won't be any news for a while) then that pretty much seals the suspicion that any further development on DA2 has been stopped - next announcemwnt will probably be DA3.
The window of opportunity is getting very small for releasing more DLC for a game that's been out this long.
Most people have moved on and won't buy more DA2 DLC...
I never thought I'd say this, but I probably won't buy any more DA2 DLC either now. As far as I'm concerned, DA2 is over.

Modifié par Dubya75, 24 janvier 2012 - 10:19 .

[Yrkoon]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Unfortunately, surely there's a reason most devs have stopped posting on the forums? There've been some fascinating exchanges with, say, David Gaider, John Epler, Mr Woo and Mike Laidlaw, but nowhere near the level of interaction that happened pre-DA2. 

It wouldn't have anything to do with a not-insignificant number of people who use pretty hurtful personal attacks on some devs or Bioware as a whole to express their dissatisfaction with rhe game?

I doubt that.  Lets not give ourselves more credit than we deserve.   We did not "hurt their feelings and drive them away" or whatever.  lol 

The devs will always be  more active on the forums before a big release because that's when there's the most to talk about.  Especially in the case of the writers, like Gaider, Kirby, Hepler etc.  who really won't have much to say unless they just got done writing something.

And anyway, they're not absent at all right now.  Laidlaw and Epler  have more than a dozen posts on this thread, for example  (and a couple of others.)  Why?  because someone managed to bring up  something that they wished to discuss.   Plain and simple.   It happens.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:20 .

[Zanallen]

Yrkoon wrote...

I doubt that.  Lets not give ourselves more credit than we deserve.   We did not "hurt their fellings and drive them away" or whatever.  lol 

The devs will always be  more active on the forums before a big release because that's when there's the most to talk about.  Especially in the case of the writers, like Gaider, Kirby, Hepler etc.  who really  seem to enjoy discussing something that they just got finished writing.

And anyway, they're not absent at all right now.  Laidlaw and Epler  have more than a dozen posts on this thread, for example  (and a couple of others.)  Why?  because someone managed to bring up  something that they wished to discuss.   Plain and simple.   It happens.

I dunno. I recall several occasions were Gaider has backed out of a discussion because people in the thread were being insulting and generally acting like petulant children toward him or the other writers. And poor Jennifer Hepler. A lot of people are being outright sods to her and she certainly doesn't deserve it.

Modifié par Zanallen, 24 janvier 2012 - 11:11 .

[Dubya75]

Zanallen wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

I doubt that.  Lets not give ourselves more credit than we deserve.   We did not "hurt their fellings and drive them away" or whatever.  lol 

The devs will always be  more active on the forums before a big release because that's when there's the most to talk about.  Especially in the case of the writers, like Gaider, Kirby, Hepler etc.  who really  seem to enjoy discussing something that they just got finished writing.

And anyway, they're not absent at all right now.  Laidlaw and Epler  have more than a dozen posts on this thread, for example  (and a couple of others.)  Why?  because someone managed to bring up  something that they wished to discuss.   Plain and simple.   It happens.

I dunno. I recall several occasions were Gaider has backed out of a discussion because people in the thread were being insulting and generally acting like petulant children toward him or the other writers. And poor Jennifer Hepler. A lot of people are being outright sods to her and she certainly doesn't deserve it.

Jennifer Hepler? 

[Icinix]

Dubya75 wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

I doubt that.  Lets not give ourselves more credit than we deserve.   We did not "hurt their fellings and drive them away" or whatever.  lol 

The devs will always be  more active on the forums before a big release because that's when there's the most to talk about.  Especially in the case of the writers, like Gaider, Kirby, Hepler etc.  who really  seem to enjoy discussing something that they just got finished writing.

And anyway, they're not absent at all right now.  Laidlaw and Epler  have more than a dozen posts on this thread, for example  (and a couple of others.)  Why?  because someone managed to bring up  something that they wished to discuss.   Plain and simple.   It happens.

I dunno. I recall several occasions were Gaider has backed out of a discussion because people in the thread were being insulting and generally acting like petulant children toward him or the other writers. And poor Jennifer Hepler. A lot of people are being outright sods to her and she certainly doesn't deserve it.

Jennifer Hepler? 

Yeah - she got pretty much some of the worst stuff I've ever seen thrown at a dev over the internet.

There are some real wankers out there.

[Dubya75]

Icinix wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

I doubt that.  Lets not give ourselves more credit than we deserve.   We did not "hurt their fellings and drive them away" or whatever.  lol 

The devs will always be  more active on the forums before a big release because that's when there's the most to talk about.  Especially in the case of the writers, like Gaider, Kirby, Hepler etc.  who really  seem to enjoy discussing something that they just got finished writing.

And anyway, they're not absent at all right now.  Laidlaw and Epler  have more than a dozen posts on this thread, for example  (and a couple of others.)  Why?  because someone managed to bring up  something that they wished to discuss.   Plain and simple.   It happens.

I dunno. I recall several occasions were Gaider has backed out of a discussion because people in the thread were being insulting and generally acting like petulant children toward him or the other writers. And poor Jennifer Hepler. A lot of people are being outright sods to her and she certainly doesn't deserve it.

Jennifer Hepler? 

Yeah - she got pretty much some of the worst stuff I've ever seen thrown at a dev over the internet.

There are some real wankers out there.

Hmmm, never heard of her!

[Icinix]

Dubya75 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

I doubt that.  Lets not give ourselves more credit than we deserve.   We did not "hurt their fellings and drive them away" or whatever.  lol 

The devs will always be  more active on the forums before a big release because that's when there's the most to talk about.  Especially in the case of the writers, like Gaider, Kirby, Hepler etc.  who really  seem to enjoy discussing something that they just got finished writing.

And anyway, they're not absent at all right now.  Laidlaw and Epler  have more than a dozen posts on this thread, for example  (and a couple of others.)  Why?  because someone managed to bring up  something that they wished to discuss.   Plain and simple.   It happens.

I dunno. I recall several occasions were Gaider has backed out of a discussion because people in the thread were being insulting and generally acting like petulant children toward him or the other writers. And poor Jennifer Hepler. A lot of people are being outright sods to her and she certainly doesn't deserve it.

Jennifer Hepler? 

Yeah - she got pretty much some of the worst stuff I've ever seen thrown at a dev over the internet.

There are some real wankers out there.

Hmmm, never heard of her!

One of the writers. I think by memory she was in one or two DA2 interview trailers- wrote a whole heap of the Dwarves in DAO and characters in DA2.

[Yrkoon]

Dubya75 wrote...
Jennifer Hepler? 

Yeah,   Hepler.  She's the one who wrote Anders for DA2.  And Isabela.   A while back she  made some comments  in an interview for some gaming publication.  She said something to the effect of  "I wish games had a skip button  so that one could bypass combat".  And that caused a nerd-rage explosion on here.      A thread was made.... a bunch of posters managed to brilliantly rip that comment out of context then proceeded to call  her the anti-christ  etc.  The standard fare.

But if I recall correctly, there were *plenty* of us who jumped right to her defense.  And she didn't take part in that thread  anyway  (although other devs did).  I doubt she was even aware of its existance.


But that's neither here nor there.    Devs will post on threads if  the subject matter contained in it  happens to be something that's also on their minds.  Or if they believe they've got  relevant information that will further the discussion  (see Laidlaw's recent comments about  merchants;  And Epler's recent posts about  cutscenes)  And this is irrespective of the  "negative nature" of the forums.  You all are reading  too much into stuff.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:23 .

[Icinix]

Yrkoon wrote...

But if I recall correctly, there were *plenty* of us who jumped right to her defense.

Even now I still think it was one of the best ideas i'd see for games like DA and ME ever.

The ability to control a game purely through dialgoue choices alone - love it.

[ElitePinecone]

Icinix wrote...
pretty much some of the worst stuff I've ever seen thrown at a dev over the internet.

There are some real wankers out there.

I'm sure you've seen the nicknames. It's monumentally stupid and childish. 

DA's community has some really amazing aspects, but a craptonne of pretentious and downright cruel idiots as well. 

Re: Laidlaw's tweet, it's the one in the first post of this (http://social.biowar...5/index/9041011)

"all of you enduring non-DA tweets waiting for the good stuff? I promise it will all be worth it one day."

"One day" sounds... distressingly far away

I mean, it hardly sounds like they're going to announce something tomorrow, or next week. Or even next month. 

[MageTarot]

My feeling is that there should be one more DLC released, this time with a warrior-based storyline. I say this because "Legacy" had a Tevinter Mage (Corypheus) as its focus and "Mark of the Assassin" had a rogue (Taris). Perhaps a journey to Ferelden to help Alistair (either as king or as a Grey Warden) stop a usurper from taking the throne?

[Shevy]

I would guess that they will announce something after ME 3 shipped. At the moment, there are more than enough rpg's out or in the pipeline. ( Dark Souls, Skyrim, TOR, Amalur, ME3) And they offer a good variation in terms of setting and gameplay. I don't know, if a (maybe) major announcement would be smart.
I wonder if the announcement will be about DA II or III. Can't say , if the dlc's were profitable.

[Pzykozis]

shadowhawk233 wrote...

I like that idea MageTarot, however i wish Bioware would say something about any DA2 DLC but they are not allowed to for some odd reason.

Because marketing are the masters of that part of game dev, nothing gets said without marketings approval or someone will suffer if they slip up.

It's getting to the point now though where there seems little point in releasing dlc for DA2 because a lot of people have already moved on, it'd have to be something like a standalone expansion or something if they were to continue support for it.

Modifié par Pzykozis, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:02 .

[Sylvianus]

They said, they will close Hawk's story, I am sure, there will be at least another dlc. Maybe I am naive, but I think Bioware will tell us when they are done with the dlcs. There is no reason to keep this secret if really, there is no more dlc.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 24 janvier 2012 - 05:37 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

MageTarot wrote...

My feeling is that there should be one more DLC released, this time with a warrior-based storyline. I say this because "Legacy" had a Tevinter Mage (Corypheus) as its focus and "Mark of the Assassin" had a rogue (Taris). Perhaps a journey to Ferelden to help Alistair (either as king or as a Grey Warden) stop a usurper from taking the throne?

HA!  I love it. 

However, I'm still holding out hope they mush the last few DLCs together and release them as a mini-expansion pack with some of the features they're planning/testing for DA3.

[Bryzon]

Zanallen wrote...

There is also the third option: DAO DLC sucked and Bioware has decided to take its time to make sure the DA2 DLC is of high quality, especially after the criticism of the base game.

DAO DLC did not suck. In fact, I think it is better than any of the DLC's for DA2 and is a part of why I cherish DA:O so much. For as long as it has taken them to put out DLC for DA2, it should have been much better than it has been.

Modifié par Bryzon, 24 janvier 2012 - 06:24 .

[Zanallen]

Bryzon wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

There is also the third option: DAO DLC sucked and Bioware has decided to take its time to make sure the DA2 DLC is of high quality, especially after the criticism of the base game.

DAO DLC did not suck. In fact, I think it is better than any of the DLC's for DA2 and is a part of why I cherish DA:O so much. For as long as it has taken them to put out DLC for DA2, it should have been much better than it has been.

It did suck. If you cherish DAO because of its DLC then, well...Sorry, but I don't even know what to say to that. But oh well, different strokes for different folks I guess.

[HTTP 404]

I don't know I havnt bought any da2 dlcs since the one with corrupt dwarfs. I stopped playing da2 since. Im not implying it was bad, just that I am done with Da2 unless there is a major expansion instead of dlc.