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[Dubya75]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

And if they were truly done with DLC...they would have closed this thread long ago.

Think about it.

Actually they just ignore any threads about new DLC. Whether that means there's new stuff coming but they can't even say so or they don't want to just give us a straight "no" is anyone's guess...

This.
Miraculously, this thread hasn't turned into a trolling spam fest which is the only reason it's still open.

But as far as I can see, there is nothing to see here...

[ElitePinecone]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

And if they were truly done with DLC...they would have closed this thread long ago.

Think about it.

Actually they just ignore any threads about new DLC. Whether that means there's new stuff coming but they can't even say so or they don't want to just give us a straight "no" is anyone's guess...

If there's nothing to announce, or they can't announce it yet, better to keep this thread open to speculation rather than have people popping up every day making a new thread about it. It's easier work for the mods, for starters. 

Closing it down would just lead to someone making a thread asking about DLC, or wondering about DA3, or lamenting the silence, 

And as I'm reminded by a nice article I read today, they don't owe us any sort of explanation as to what their plans are. 

[Dubya75]

ElitePinecone wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

And if they were truly done with DLC...they would have closed this thread long ago.

Think about it.

Actually they just ignore any threads about new DLC. Whether that means there's new stuff coming but they can't even say so or they don't want to just give us a straight "no" is anyone's guess...

If there's nothing to announce, or they can't announce it yet, better to keep this thread open to speculation rather than have people popping up every day making a new thread about it. It's easier work for the mods, for starters. 

Closing it down would just lead to someone making a thread asking about DLC, or wondering about DA3, or lamenting the silence, 

And as I'm reminded by a nice article I read today, they don't owe us any sort of explanation as to what their plans are. 

True. And we don't owe them our money either...

[Great_Horn]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Great_Horn wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

Throwing out DLC in April when the only big game is Witcher 2 in which only a third of your target audience will be picking up, is good. I say third because PC gamers already own it and PS3 gamers aren't getting the game.

Well I play 360 and I won't be picking it up cause I tried it on PC and thought it was a complete snoozefest...

Luckily there are enough open-minded gamer who appreciate TW2 for what it is, a pure and good RPG!

If being open-minded means I have to play games that I find so dull I'm on the verge of falling asleep then I'd rather be close-minded thanks...

Like I said there are enough gamers who recognize a good RPG when they see one.  And if you step outside the real world you will see, that you are in the minority.

http://www.gameinfor...ig-in-2011.aspx

I’m fine if Hack&Slash Action-RPGs like DA:2 pleases you. It´s always a matter of taste!

Modifié par Great_Horn, 22 février 2012 - 11:34 .

[Dubya75]

Great_Horn wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Great_Horn wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

Throwing out DLC in April when the only big game is Witcher 2 in which only a third of your target audience will be picking up, is good. I say third because PC gamers already own it and PS3 gamers aren't getting the game.

Well I play 360 and I won't be picking it up cause I tried it on PC and thought it was a complete snoozefest...

Luckily there are enough open-minded gamer who appreciate TW2 for what it is, a pure and good RPG!

If being open-minded means I have to play games that I find so dull I'm on the verge of falling asleep then I'd rather be close-minded thanks...

Like I said there are enough gamers who recognize a good RPG when they see one.  And if you step outside the real world you will see, that you are in the minority.

http://www.gameinfor...ig-in-2011.aspx

I’m fine if Hack&Slash Action-RPGs like DA:2 pleases you. It´s always a matter of taste!

Are you serious???

Don't you think sales figures may just have something to do with it?

DA2 only shipped 2 million copies in it's prime, which for a supposedly AAA game is apalling!

[Great_Horn]

Dubya75 wrote...

Great_Horn wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Great_Horn wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

Throwing out DLC in April when the only big game is Witcher 2 in which only a third of your target audience will be picking up, is good. I say third because PC gamers already own it and PS3 gamers aren't getting the game.

Well I play 360 and I won't be picking it up cause I tried it on PC and thought it was a complete snoozefest...

Luckily there are enough open-minded gamer who appreciate TW2 for what it is, a pure and good RPG!

If being open-minded means I have to play games that I find so dull I'm on the verge of falling asleep then I'd rather be close-minded thanks...

Like I said there are enough gamers who recognize a good RPG when they see one.  And if you step outside the real world you will see, that you are in the minority.

http://www.gameinfor...ig-in-2011.aspx

I’m fine if Hack&Slash Action-RPGs like DA:2 pleases you. It´s always a matter of taste!

Are you serious???

Don't you think sales figures may just have something to do with it?

DA2 only shipped 2 million copies in it's prime, which for a supposedly AAA game is apalling!

Don’t be a smart ass Dubya75. Look what rank (user score) DA:2 has compared to TW2.

http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii

Edit:
I bet in 5 years DA:2 will never come close to sales numbers like 400.000. 

Modifié par Great_Horn, 23 février 2012 - 12:27 .

[astreqwerty]

omg the ME3 frenzy...i bought ME2 and it was admittetely horrible.if only their primary franchise was da..

[Wolf]

Dubya75 wrote...


True. And we don't owe them our money either...

He's right, they don't. It's their property to use and announce as they see fit.

You threatening NOT to buy a product which has not even been announced is not going to accomplish anything other than unecessary posts like this one.

Good effort nonetheless.

[Wolf]

Great_Horn wrote...

Like I said there are enough gamers who recognize a good RPG when they see one.  And if you step outside the real world you will see, that you are in the minority.

http://www.gameinfor...ig-in-2011.aspx

I’m fine if Hack&Slash Action-RPGs like DA:2 pleases you. It´s always a matter of taste!

It is a matter of taste, and you would be ignorant to think otherwise. A "good RPG" is a rough way to describe something which is determined by personal preference. I personally like both, for example. If liking DA2 makes me any less worthy of RPG's then unworthy I shall be. 

Some people like DA2 well enough, some love it. Many others hate it.

OPINIONS!

[Takamori The Templar]

Instead of throwing the cancer that is killing X.
You guys should focus on the critics and accept things that you can't retort.

[Wolf]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Instead of throwing the cancer that is killing X.
You guys should focus on the critics and accept things that you can't retort.

I don't understand your question. Are you referring to Jennifer Hepler or the criticism thrown at her? 

[Great_Horn]

Gaiden96 wrote...

Great_Horn wrote...

Like I said there are enough gamers who recognize a good RPG when they see one.  And if you step outside the real world you will see, that you are in the minority.

http://www.gameinfor...ig-in-2011.aspx

I’m fine if Hack&Slash Action-RPGs like DA:2 pleases you. It´s always a matter of taste!

It is a matter of taste, and you would be ignorant to think otherwise. [...] OPINIONS!

Definitely, that’s what I said. I only want to make clear that there are enough gamers, who high value the TW2. And I appreciate CD Project for their game and their customer policy, that’s it!  

[Great_Horn]

simfamSP wrote...

Wow... metacritic.... yeah... *cough.*

Half-Life is an amazing game I'll give it that. But I didn't like it that much. It consisted of me blowing up aliens and following a rather 'wtf' plot. I like the concept, but the execution wasn't really there. Half-Life 2 however has blown me away so far...

Anyway what's the point of this? Half-Life has a metacritic score of 90 something (I think it's 91.) Mass Effect 2 also has a metacritic score that big (or had, I don't know what it is now.) But then we have OTHER AMAZING games like Planescape: Torment that is barely known in the gaming community.

What is the point of this? The point is that metacritic scores are worth very little. And the Witcher 2 has by now sold over 2 million copies. If it weren't for the DRM free version in GOG I'm sure that many wouldn't be pirated. I feel sorry for CDPR. They really care about gamers, and what do we do? Kick them in the bals.

It’s not that easy. I don’t know if you work in social science or are familiar with Probability theory. However, Metacritics offers a good indicator for the ‘true’ value of a game based on a larger sample, and is more heterogenic, then let’s say a Bioware forum. 

Despite that, you will always find examples, for discrepancies, hence it is at least a good rule of thumb.   


Edit: BTW, I didn’t know the value of PT on Metacritics. So I´ve checked. Have a look for yourself!

http://www.metacriti...nescape-torment

Modifié par Great_Horn, 25 février 2012 - 10:55 .

[ElitePinecone]

Great_Horn wrote...
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Since we're talking quantitative methods, any internet rating with non-random sampling is statistically useless. That should be obvious. They're not just completely irrelevant if you're looking for the general opinion of a game, they're counterproductive. I'm not surprised developers take no notice of them, and use far more helpful things like the 'constructive criticism' threads on the BSN. If people point to 'user scores' as any sort of generalisable representation of popular opinion, they're delusional. 

It has all sorts of self-selection biases, for starters. 'People who rate things on Metacritic' are clearly not going to be an accurate, generalisable sample of 'the entire DA2 playerbase'. People (generally) use user ratings as a bludgeon to attack a game they don't like, or as a blind expression of faith for a game they do. Honest feedback is rare, and even if it's given, it rarely matches with the numerical score. 

Then there's the methodological stupidity of asking people to give a game a number rating without any explanation why, or any obligation for this score to be accurate. The cliche that most user scores are 0 or 10 should make this apparent. 

*If* you wanted an accurate picture of player opinion about videogames, it's not going to come through looking at self-selected responses on the internet. 

Bioware, I'm sure, do focus testing with statistically-significant quotas and certainly have telemetry embedded in their games to give automatic user feedback (like playtime, popular classes or quests, the percentage of players that finished it, etc) without even needing to ask. They probably never tell us, but they'd be combining this with player feedback to chart any new directions - not relying on the gibberish from Metacritic user reviews. 

Point being: Metacritic user ratings are useless. I'd say numerical ratings for critical reviews are equally unhelpful, but at the very least they (nominally) aspire to impartiality and give a fair amount of qualitative feedback that doesn't involve capital letters and barely literate rants of praise or derision. 

[FASherman]

COGNiTiON 1 wrote...

randomcheeses wrote...

So you have no solid proof.

Here.

Chris Priestly wrote...

Sorry, we have little to say at
this point. I can say that there will not be any new DLC before next
year at the earliest, but can't say anything beyond that.

The quote is on the third page, fourth response.

This is not proof that there is any additional DLC coming. Read again.

Nothing is coming before a specific time and there is nothing to be said about anything beyond that time either.

If you brought your car into the dealer to be fixed and he said your car wouldn't be ready before Thursday and that he had no information about when it would be done beyond Thursday, how would you conclude that;s proof that you'll get your car soon.

Here's the truth. Bethesda threw Bioware a knowckout punch. Skyrim shows what DA2 COULD have been, SHOULD have been - what DA3 hopefully will aspire towards.

That level of programming effort, playing catchup to a completely redefined RPG expectation means redirecting all hands to DA3. Given the circumstances, I'd pull the plug on DA2 as well. 

[Great_Horn]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Great_Horn wrote...
snip

Since we're talking quantitative methods, any internet rating with non-random sampling is statistically useless. That should be obvious. They're not just completely irrelevant if you're looking for the general opinion of a game, they're counterproductive. I'm not surprised developers take no notice of them, and use far more helpful things like the 'constructive criticism' threads on the BSN. If people point to 'user scores' as any sort of generalisable representation of popular opinion, they're delusional. 

It has all sorts of self-selection biases, for starters. 'People who rate things on Metacritic' are clearly not going to be an accurate, generalisable sample of 'the entire DA2 playerbase'. People (generally) use user ratings as a bludgeon to attack a game they don't like, or as a blind expression of faith for a game they do. Honest feedback is rare, and even if it's given, it rarely matches with the numerical score. 

Then there's the methodological stupidity of asking people to give a game a number rating without any explanation why, or any obligation for this score to be accurate. The cliche that most user scores are 0 or 10 should make this apparent. 

*If* you wanted an accurate picture of player opinion about videogames, it's not going to come through looking at self-selected responses on the internet. 

Bioware, I'm sure, do focus testing with statistically-significant quotas and certainly have telemetry embedded in their games to give automatic user feedback (like playtime, popular classes or quests, the percentage of players that finished it, etc) without even needing to ask. They probably never tell us, but they'd be combining this with player feedback to chart any new directions - not relying on the gibberish from Metacritic user reviews. 

Point being: Metacritic user ratings are useless. I'd say numerical ratings for critical reviews are equally unhelpful, but at the very least they (nominally) aspire to impartiality and give a fair amount of qualitative feedback that doesn't involve capital letters and barely literate rants of praise or derision. 

What you’re serious?

People are not familiar with rating scales? Hilarious, you should really work for the Census Bureau.

Actually Convenience Samples are very often used in psychology research, and they are of course limited to their sample size, that’s why I said it is a good rule of thumb for gamers to get an impression about the game.
 
Despite the fact that the distribution on Metacrtics is indeed bi-polar it fits the general mixed-reviews the game got.
 
At least, we’ve got an official statement that BW is taking Metacritics definitely into account.

http://www.eurogamer...ge-ii-interview
 
On what base BW gets their ‘objective’ feedback. I don’t know. Your making assumptions, without any proof, that’s all.

Modifié par Great_Horn, 25 février 2012 - 02:44 .

[Yrkoon]

Great_Horn wrote...


At least, we’ve got an official statement that BW is taking Metacritics definitely into account.

http://www.eurogamer...ge-ii-interview

On what base BW gets their ‘objective’ feedback. I don’t know. Your making assumptions, without any proof, that’s all.

Not only that, but take a look at this:

http://files.shareho...INAL_LOCKED.pdf

^that's one of EA's Quarterly Earnings reports to Shareholders. Notice how many times EA mentions metacritic in this report. They use metacritic data/scores as proof of product quality.

I know some people here like to think that they're "smarter" than the common rabble by dismissing Metacritic as "useless" or whatever. But they're just displaying their complete ignorance of the industry by doing so.  There isn't a single gaming corporation on planet earth that doesn't  track their games' Metacritic  scores.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 25 février 2012 - 06:41 .