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[Hurbster]

Didn't they drop any planned DLC after Witch Hunt to do DA2 as well ?

[kingtigernz]

Can i just ask did any of the DLC address any of the complaints people had with the game?

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

I so want some reason for Woo to lock this thread up.

[ElitePinecone]

kingtigernz wrote...

Can i just ask did any of the DLC address any of the complaints people had with the game?

It was generally much more polished (in my opinion) and the combat was much better at being strategic. Enemies had positions, and if they did arrive into the battle later it was in a way that made sense, rather than parachuting in or dropping from rooftops.

Given that it wasn't part of the main story the DLC didn't (and couldn't) address the disjointedness of the plot, but it was a great little additional set of quests that were full of interesting lore and some really funny moments.

If the DLC's level of quality was maintained throughout DA3 I think it'd go a fair way to improving some of the issues with its predecessor. 

[Dubya75]

kingtigernz wrote...

Can i just ask did any of the DLC address any of the complaints people had with the game?

Yes. Legacy and MotA are both well worth playing!

[Dubya75]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

I so want some reason for Woo to lock this thread up.

Why?
Sure, it's been confirmed that DA2 is wrapped up, but as long as people wish to discuss it, I see no reason why they would just lock it.

[Yrkoon]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

I so want some reason for Woo to lock this thread up.

I don't.  The douchebag in me wants this thread  to be stickied.    The nice guy in me, though, has so far refrained  from handing out the obligatory "I TOLD YOU SO's!"  to a few posters on this thread who swore up and down that another DLC/expansion was coming and that we're all just   Haters for thinking otherwise.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 22 mars 2012 - 04:16 .

[Dubya75]

Yrkoon wrote...

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

I so want some reason for Woo to lock this thread up.

I don't.  The douchebag in me wants this thread  to be stickied.    The nice guy in me, though, has so far refrained  from handing out the obligatory "I TOLD YOU SO's!"  to a few posters on this thread who swore up and down that another DLC/expansion was coming and that we're all just   Haters for thinking otherwise.

WORD!

[TEWR]

kingtigernz wrote...

Can i just ask did any of the DLC address any of the complaints people had with the game?

Depends on what your complaints were.

Paratrooping waves and the repeated maps were already known to be a problem by Bioware -- since Mike Laidlaw said that they opted for the latter because they wanted more content and knew less maps would be the con to it. And I believe they knew it wasn't going to be met very well -- so I wouldn't say those issues were ones that the fans had that were addressed.

I'd simply say that Bioware addressed their own issues which the fans simultaneously had issues with.

If your complaint is about lack of choice and consequence, Legacy did address this. MotA however went right back to the same problems DAII had.

Hurbster wrote...

Didn't they drop any planned DLC after Witch Hunt to do DA2 as well ?

Unfortunately yes. It seems that Bioware is only going to do 1 year of DLC from now on and then move on to a new project.

Whether they'll deign to take their time with the new project is a matter of speculation at this point -- despite a few assertions by Bioware that they will -- but my pessimistic side says that they're not going to.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 22 mars 2012 - 05:44 .

[SteveGarbage]

Heh, I love it when my reasoning/prophecy turns out to be on target. Although I suppose it was stretching to attribute it to "cutting their losses" (which may or may not be the real reason), I'm at least happy to hear that the reason they give is everyone is shifting gears toward the next game.

Love DA2 or hate it, I still think we'll be better off getting a totally fresh start with a new game than with an expansion or more DLC for DA2. I'm looking forward to it.

[Rorschachinstein]

SteveGarbage wrote...

Heh, I love it when my reasoning/prophecy turns out to be on target. Although I suppose it was stretching to attribute it to "cutting their losses" (which may or may not be the real reason), I'm at least happy to hear that the reason they give is everyone is shifting gears toward the next game.

Love DA2 or hate it, I still think we'll be better off getting a totally fresh start with a new game than with an expansion or more DLC for DA2. I'm looking forward to it.

I'm not satisfied leaving the game a cliffhanger.

[Tezzajh]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

SteveGarbage wrote...

Heh, I love it when my reasoning/prophecy turns out to be on target. Although I suppose it was stretching to attribute it to "cutting their losses" (which may or may not be the real reason), I'm at least happy to hear that the reason they give is everyone is shifting gears toward the next game.

Love DA2 or hate it, I still think we'll be better off getting a totally fresh start with a new game than with an expansion or more DLC for DA2. I'm looking forward to it.

I'm not satisfied leaving the game a cliffhanger.

why arnt you used to it?
cliff hanger in
awkening
witch hunt
Golems Dlc
DA2
legacy
mark of the assassin,

all these are going to be resolved in depth in DA3  i take it? doubt it

[Silfren]

shadowhawk233 wrote...

I am sad to hear they won't at least finish the plans they started. I liked DA2, but even if I didn't, it seems a little half-baked to say 'there's more underway' and then 'nah, didn't feel like it anyway'.

Personaly I felt that the DLC for DAII at least helped the main game. I mean they were set in areas that weren't cut and paste from the same few areas and at least told good stories and gave the main game more variety.

Oh well, but Bioware has certanly fallen from grace of late. Perhapes it's for the best if Bioware focuses on getting back on track and hang around the lower points... oh and free themselves from EA will solve tones of problems for Bioware but I doubt that it will happen because no one is that good fortune. 

You do realize EA provides the funding Bioware needs to make their games?  I keep hoping we can dispense with the notion that EA enslaved Bioware against the latter's will, such that Bioware needs to "break free."

[Yrkoon]

^ Eh, I think it's pretty obvious that it's more than that. There was a time when Atari provided the funding Bioware needed to make their games. And before that, Interplay provided the funding.   But during those two periods, Bioware was allowed to take their time, and put out truly amazing games  that didn't, at all, feel rushed or corner-cut. Examples include the Baldurs Gate series and their expansions, Neverwinter Nights and its expansions, and Knights of the Old Republic.

Something has changed. And I'm betting that the Current publisher is indeed forcing Bioware to adhere to a development model that is rubbing people the wrong way, whether its  pumping out a game every year, or creating games by looking at marketing pie charts and focus group  studies, or whatever.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 23 mars 2012 - 01:15 .

[Silfren]

shadowhawk233 wrote...

I am sad to hear they won't at least finish the plans they started. I liked DA2, but even if I didn't, it seems a little half-baked to say 'there's more underway' and then 'nah, didn't feel like it anyway'.

This is a deliberate mis-framing of what was said.  I doubt Bioware decided to scrap its plans just to be capricious. 

Be reasonable.  Bioware has stated that they were in the middle of working on the expansion.  They wouldn't have just scrapped all that existing work just because of a mood swing.  It appears that the developers were faced with some hard decisions about where to focus their time, money, and effort, and that something had to be sacrificed.  

[BellaStrega]

Yrkoon wrote...

^ Eh, I think it's pretty obvious that it's more than that. There was a time when Atari provided the funding Bioware needed to make their games. And before that, Interplay provided the funding.   But during those two periods, Bioware was allowed to take their time, and put out truly amazing games  that didn't, at all, feel rushed or corner-cut. Examples include the Baldurs Gate series and their expansions, Neverwinter Nights and its expansions, and Knights of the Old Republic.

Something has changed. And I'm betting that the Current publisher is indeed forcing Bioware to adhere to a development model that is rubbing people the wrong way, whether its  pumping out a game every year, or creating games by looking at marketing pie charts and focus group  studies, or whatever.

I don't think this is the cause. Correlation doesn't equal causation, and Bioware's been with EA for some time. These decisions are likely entirely Bioware's doing, and they're not necessarily sinister in nature.

[Dubya75]

SteveGarbage wrote...

Heh, I love it when my reasoning/prophecy turns out to be on target. Although I suppose it was stretching to attribute it to "cutting their losses" (which may or may not be the real reason), I'm at least happy to hear that the reason they give is everyone is shifting gears toward the next game.

Love DA2 or hate it, I still think we'll be better off getting a totally fresh start with a new game than with an expansion or more DLC for DA2. I'm looking forward to it.

As much as I hate to admit it, you are probably right. 
DA3 will however NOT be a day 1 purchase for me...

[Gotholhorakh]

Yrkoon wrote...

^ Eh, I think it's pretty obvious that it's more than that. There was a time when Atari provided the funding Bioware needed to make their games. And before that, Interplay provided the funding.   But during those two periods, Bioware was allowed to take their time, and put out truly amazing games  that didn't, at all, feel rushed or corner-cut. Examples include the Baldurs Gate series and their expansions, Neverwinter Nights and its expansions, and Knights of the Old Republic.

Something has changed. And I'm betting that the Current publisher is indeed forcing Bioware to adhere to a development model that is rubbing people the wrong way, whether its  pumping out a game every year, or creating games by looking at marketing pie charts and focus group  studies, or whatever.

We've had it intimated that we don't know enough about "what goes on" to come up with these theories. but it's a bit of a coincidence how similar this feels to what's happened to other game franchises before now in the presence of that common factor.


I guess any fears we have can be allayed by the general upward trend in the quality of their games since the release of DA:O, and the lovely readily available day one DLC, both of which will doubtless continue into the future.

BellaStrega wrote...
I don't think this is the cause. Correlation
doesn't equal causation, and Bioware's been with EA for some time. These
decisions are likely entirely Bioware's doing, and they're not
necessarily sinister in nature.

Well they were acquired when DA:O was well underway and that game turned out good, and all that sullied that game in the end was an in-game DLC purchase and, eventually on UE, weirdly mistrustful-of-the-customer DRM - stuff their previous games didn't have, to be fair.

That, and any marked differences in actual quality after DA:O, could as you say all be coincidence. People are apt to think otherwise though, really, until somebody suggests something more convincing.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 23 mars 2012 - 10:36 .