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[Atakuma]

Deadmac wrote...

Folks, it has been a year. If BioWare is doing anything, I bet they are too busy working on "SWTOR" feedback and game issues. "SWTOR's" success is much more important.

SWOTOR is handled by a different Bioware studio. It wouldn't have any effect on DA2 DLC.

[Dubya75]

BubbleDncr wrote...

Most of the DA:O dlc was kind of bad - Return to Ostagar, Leliana's Song, and Golems of Agmarrak were the best once, but they pale in comparison to the quality of Legacy and Mark of the Assasin, and all of the ME2 dlc, IMO. So, I'd rather get fewer, higher quality ones than more crappy ones.

But all the DA2 hangman t-shirts the devs were wearing at conventions last year made it seem like there was a bunch of dlc on the way - since none of the things on those shirts have been referrenced in Legacy or MotA, there must be more to come, right?

At this point, I'm expecting an expansion pack. While I loved DA2, a lot of people didn't - there are major mechanics (such as changing companions' armor) that they gripe about. Bioware can't address those concerns in DLC. But they can address them in an expansion. So, is it better for them to realise multiple small dlcs that don't fix anything the haters wanted changed, or release one big expansion that addresses those issues in hopes to win back some of the haters?

Tho I hope they announce something soon...

Yes, those t-shirts did seem to tease towards something to come, but remember, EA may pull  the plug whenever they want...we'll see.

[Ponendus]

Atakuma wrote...

Deadmac wrote...

Folks, it has been a year. If BioWare is doing anything, I bet they are too busy working on "SWTOR" feedback and game issues. "SWTOR's" success is much more important.

SWOTOR is handled by a different Bioware studio. It wouldn't have any effect on DA2 DLC.

Not on its production, but marketing is a different matter, it makes sense for a company to keep things quiet and have a release schedule for announcing... release schedules.

[Dubya75]

shadowhawk233 wrote...

For once i would like Bioware to annouce what DLC for DA2 (maybe some hints or something) and when they plan to release them instead of keeping us in the dark threw out the months if not years. I mean they got 2 good feedbacks on Legacy and MOTA DLC, so what could have stopped them from producing more DA2 DLC and i don't think ME3 and the new Star Wars games has got to do with it. I think the DA team is lazy and uninspired. <_<

Indeed. Uninspired and uninthusiastic (if that's even a word?).
I sense a fan-base relationship that is totally governed by EA. Like puppets they only communicate with us if EA gives the green light. All strategic and sales-orientated. 
And here we are, loyal fan that's been buying all Dragon Age content and this is how they treat us. Shameful.

[Ponendus]

Dubya75 wrote...

shadowhawk233 wrote...

For once i would like Bioware to annouce what DLC for DA2 (maybe some hints or something) and when they plan to release them instead of keeping us in the dark threw out the months if not years. I mean they got 2 good feedbacks on Legacy and MOTA DLC, so what could have stopped them from producing more DA2 DLC and i don't think ME3 and the new Star Wars games has got to do with it. I think the DA team is lazy and uninspired. <_<

Indeed. Uninspired and uninthusiastic (if that's even a word?).
I sense a fan-base relationship that is totally governed by EA. Like puppets they only communicate with us if EA gives the green light. All strategic and sales-orientated. 
And here we are, loyal fan that's been buying all Dragon Age content and this is how they treat us. Shameful.

 I do agree that they communicate with us when it makes strategic sense to, which is what any company will do. There was a major release just weeks ago, there is another major release in less than two months from now and they got back to work from Christmas break 3 days ago. Although they are different teams working on these projects, it is all still BioWare, which is a machine that needs to work together from a marketing point of view.

I respectfully disagree with everything else. I do not think they are lazy, uninspired or unenthusiastic at all, I think they are reluctant to come to the forums because of the hateful, spiteful and childish negativity that has been drifting around the place since the launch of DA2. I consider game developers artists and I am not at all surprised they don't want to come near these forums after what has been said of their life's work, or more acurately the way in which it was said.

Call me a fanboy if you choose, but I have no shame in defending a company that has been seriously let down by the sefishness and spite of some of their fanbase. (And I do mean 'some' only - not everyone is guilty of this).

I also don't accuse those I have quoted here either, I apologise for making you an example, but namecalling at BioWare employees is precisely why they don't communicate with us. You catch more flies with honey.

[Dubya75]

Ponendus wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

shadowhawk233 wrote...

For once i would like Bioware to annouce what DLC for DA2 (maybe some hints or something) and when they plan to release them instead of keeping us in the dark threw out the months if not years. I mean they got 2 good feedbacks on Legacy and MOTA DLC, so what could have stopped them from producing more DA2 DLC and i don't think ME3 and the new Star Wars games has got to do with it. I think the DA team is lazy and uninspired. <_<

Indeed. Uninspired and uninthusiastic (if that's even a word?).
I sense a fan-base relationship that is totally governed by EA. Like puppets they only communicate with us if EA gives the green light. All strategic and sales-orientated. 
And here we are, loyal fan that's been buying all Dragon Age content and this is how they treat us. Shameful.

 I do agree that they communicate with us when it makes strategic sense to, which is what any company will do. There was a major release just weeks ago, there is another major release in less than two months from now and they got back to work from Christmas break 3 days ago. Although they are different teams working on these projects, it is all still BioWare, which is a machine that needs to work together from a marketing point of view.

I respectfully disagree with everything else. I do not think they are lazy, uninspired or unenthusiastic at all, I think they are reluctant to come to the forums because of the hateful, spiteful and childish negativity that has been drifting around the place since the launch of DA2. I consider game developers artists and I am not at all surprised they don't want to come near these forums after what has been said of their life's work, or more acurately the way in which it was said.

Call me a fanboy if you choose, but I have no shame in defending a company that has been seriously let down by the sefishness and spite of some of their fanbase. (And I do mean 'some' only - not everyone is guilty of this).

I also don't accuse those I have quoted here either, I apologise for making you an example, but namecalling at BioWare employees is precisely why they don't communicate with us. You catch more flies with honey.

I see developers like CDProjectRED going out of their way to provide the best game they possibly can (free DLC and all), being a much smaller and younger company than Bioware.
I see developers like Bethesda updating their fans on plans for patches and future DLC with the confidence that they can deliver on their promises.
I see Bioware seemingly not very confident in their own product and as a result not communicating their plans to their fans.
Then you accuse me, the loyal fan who spends money buying the games and every piece of Dragon Age content, who is the reason Bioware are able to keep developing games, spiteful and selfish?
You may want to re-think that serah!

Modifié par Dubya75, 12 janvier 2012 - 10:55 .

[Ponendus]

Dubya75 wrote...


I see developers like CDProjectRED going out of their way to provide the best game they possibly can (free DLC and all), being a much smaller and younger company than Bioware.
I see developers like Bethesda updating their fans on plans for patches and future DLC with the confidence that they can deliver on their promises.
I see Bioware seemingly not very confident in their own product and as a result not communicating their plans to their fans.
Then you accuse me, the loyal fan who spends money buying the games and every piece of Dragon Age content, who is the reason Bioware are able to keep developing games, spiteful and selfish?
You may want to re-think that serah!

Actually if you read my response I specifically said I did not accuse you of being spiteful and selfish, I said others spitefulness and selfishness is why there is no communication on these boards. I did state that you were name-calling which I'm sorry to say you were.

To your other points, BioWare was completely confident in their product and they do go out of their way to provide the best game they can, they simply didn't get it right with DA2. They had no way of knowing this until the product was out there. They missed the mark with DA2, they have accepted this on most fronts, people still harp on them that they aren't doing enough. They haven't even been given the opportunity to correct the mistake and still people are throwing accusations (not you, I am just illustrating a point). The forums were ablaze with how much of a rush-job DA2 was, and now everyone complains that everything is taking too long. All I am saying is that is it any wonder they have no desire to communicate with us? It doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

It should also be pointed out that it has been made clear by the developers that they are under no obligation whatsoever to frequent these forums or to communicate with us at all. My entire point is that if you or anyone else wants the developers to speak to you, make it a place that they want to visit.

[Dubya75]

Ponendus wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...


I see developers like CDProjectRED going out of their way to provide the best game they possibly can (free DLC and all), being a much smaller and younger company than Bioware.
I see developers like Bethesda updating their fans on plans for patches and future DLC with the confidence that they can deliver on their promises.
I see Bioware seemingly not very confident in their own product and as a result not communicating their plans to their fans.
Then you accuse me, the loyal fan who spends money buying the games and every piece of Dragon Age content, who is the reason Bioware are able to keep developing games, spiteful and selfish?
You may want to re-think that serah!

Actually if you read my response I specifically said I did not accuse you of being spiteful and selfish, I said others spitefulness and selfishness is why there is no communication on these boards. I did state that you were name-calling which I'm sorry to say you were.

To your other points, BioWare was completely confident in their product and they do go out of their way to provide the best game they can, they simply didn't get it right with DA2. They had no way of knowing this until the product was out there. They missed the mark with DA2, they have accepted this on most fronts, people still harp on them that they aren't doing enough. They haven't even been given the opportunity to correct the mistake and still people are throwing accusations (not you, I am just illustrating a point). The forums were ablaze with how much of a rush-job DA2 was, and now everyone complains that everything is taking too long. All I am saying is that is it any wonder they have no desire to communicate with us? It doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

It should also be pointed out that it has been made clear by the developers that they are under no obligation whatsoever to frequent these forums or to communicate with us at all. My entire point is that if you or anyone else wants the developers to speak to you, make it a place that they want to visit.

I intended for you to read my post as "Me the fan" representing fans in general.
I have a lot more to say about this but it would be off-topic and will probably result in this thread getting locked.

Modifié par Dubya75, 12 janvier 2012 - 11:40 .

[Ponendus]

Dubya75 wrote...

I intended for you to read my post as "Me the fan" representing fans in general.
I have a lot more to say about this but it would be off-topic and will probably result in this thread getting locked.

'You' as the collective 'fan' makes no difference. Just because one is a 'fan' and has purchased a product does not make one entitled to throw around whatever language they like and behave in the way that many did and still do. Do you believe otherwise? Of course a fan is entitled to criticise, to express their displeasure or to make suggestions.  I was riled by your post (and the poster above you) due to the name-calling but that is neither here nor there now.

If you don't wish to discuss it then you are free to do as you wish, but there is nothing in any of these posts so far that is off topic. This thread is discussing the reasons why there seems to be a belief that BioWare has 'abandoned' DA2. I am pointing out that I don't believe they have abandoned anything other than the desire to communicate on these forums (or alternatively that they are hard at work right now, which I suppose is the best outcome for all of us).

Modifié par Ponendus, 12 janvier 2012 - 11:46 .

[Dubya75]

Let me just say this one thing at this point: I am only "harping on" about stuff because I care about the Dragon Age franchise. Because I love Dragon Age. Because I see it getting very close to being de-railed by what looks like a lack of focus.
I also really hope the devs read this with the understanding that people would not be here ranting and raving if they didn't care.
We also know that Bioware is capable of better, and it is frustrating to see less instead.

[Ponendus]

Dubya75 wrote...

Let me just say this one thing at this point: I am only "harping on" about stuff because I care about the Dragon Age franchise. Because I love Dragon Age. Because I see it getting very close to being de-railed by what looks like a lack of focus.
I also really hope the devs read this with the understanding that people would not be here ranting and raving if they didn't care.
We also know that Bioware is capable of better, and it is frustrating to see less instead.

This I completely agree with. I have said precisely the same thing myself in another thread. I do believe many on these forums are still here because they care and they are still here several months later aching for more news. This is a good thing.

Let me offer this one suggested comfort: what 'looks' to you like a lack of focus is not necessarily so. There is every possibility that they are working hard behind the scenes to make the game you so very much want and that is why they are silent right now. I am not saying this is what is happening, but there is just as much chance of that as there is of them abandoning the project. Look on the bright side, DA3 and DA2 DLC's just might be exactly what you are hoping for. Isn't that a possibility too?

[goofyomnivore]

Legacy was good. MotA was meh. Item packs I don't really care for. I think they should just close up shop on Dragon Age 2 and Hawke.

[Dubya75]

Ponendus wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Let me just say this one thing at this point: I am only "harping on" about stuff because I care about the Dragon Age franchise. Because I love Dragon Age. Because I see it getting very close to being de-railed by what looks like a lack of focus.
I also really hope the devs read this with the understanding that people would not be here ranting and raving if they didn't care.
We also know that Bioware is capable of better, and it is frustrating to see less instead.

This I completely agree with. I have said precisely the same thing myself in another thread. I do believe many on these forums are still here because they care and they are still here several months later aching for more news. This is a good thing.

Let me offer this one suggested comfort: what 'looks' to you like a lack of focus is not necessarily so. There is every possibility that they are working hard behind the scenes to make the game you so very much want and that is why they are silent right now. I am not saying this is what is happening, but there is just as much chance of that as there is of them abandoning the project. Look on the bright side, DA3 and DA2 DLC's just might be exactly what you are hoping for. Isn't that a possibility too?

Yes, of course it is possible that they are cooking up some awesome DLC and working on an even more awesome DA3. 
What irritates me is that if it is indeed the case, why not share the love? Even a little bit? But nothing? Makes little sense to me...
They have the power to turn the mood on these forums around, but they're not making the effort.

Modifié par Dubya75, 12 janvier 2012 - 12:48 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Dubya75 wrote...

Yes, of course it is possible that they are cooking up some awesome DLC and working on an even more awesome DA3. 
What irritates me is that if it is indeed the case, why not share the love? Even a little bit? But nothing? Makes little sense to me...
They have the power to turn the mood on these forums around, but they're not making the effort.

After the marketing hype of DA2 and all the attempt at generating buzz, but then having it be disappointing and things like "plan like a general, fight like a spartan" and "rise to power, through any means neccessary" as just not coming through on the gameplay at all, they could be keeping mum about the whole thing until they have a more definitive idea of what the end-user experience will be like.

Also, to ignore the fact that there are a ton of Bioware products going live here in the recent and near future, and there is a lot of non-game Dragon Age content coming out, then it would be stupid to drown out the excitement about that with other announcements. In February, the anime will come out, then Mass Effect 3 will be out in March. We probably won't hear anything substantive about the Dragon Age universe until April, although they might post some teaser screenshots and such in the announcement section.

Whether this will be DA2 DLC content, an expansion or DA3 is anyone's guess, but SOMETHING will be coming. So just hold onto your britches. This fad of "is the DA franchise over for good?" will pass, just like all the fads on the forums.

[AngryFrozenWater]

There is another possibility. Too many things have gone wrong with DA2: From DA:O's cliffhangers that were never addressed in DA2 to gambling on a new new target audience that never came. Maybe they simply pulled the plug, because they lost a lot of goodwill. In this scenario the best we can hope for is that BW uses an external team to do DA3, maybe even sell the franchise, while they work on a new one.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 12 janvier 2012 - 04:41 .

[thats1evildude]

shadowhawk233 wrote...

If Bioware truly cared about us fans

That's a tad melodramatic, isn't it? You make it sound like we just broke up. 

Please, Bioware, come back to me! I'll never date another game studio, I swear!

Modifié par thats1evildude, 12 janvier 2012 - 04:43 .

[Dubya75]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

There is another possibility. Too many things have gone wrong with DA2: From DA:O's cliffhangers that were never addressed in DA2 to gambling on a new new target audience that never came. Maybe they simply pulled the plug, because they lost a lot of goodwill. In this scenario the best we can hope for is that BW uses an external team to do DA3, maybe even sell the franchise, while they work on a new one.

Exactly. Why would EA pump more money into a game that according to sales was such a massive failure?
It is simply not enough that a handful of people (me included) love Dragon Age.
Maybe Legacy and MotA was a desperate attempt at getting the franchise back on track. Failing that, they come up with all these other things like getting internet personalities involved, animes, fan competitions (I mean, come on!) when all we really want it to BE PLAYING THE FRIGGEN GAME!
But Dragon Age seems to be becoming everything BUT a computer/console game.

If I'm totally wrong then great! But where's the communication?
Don't tell me they're too busy doing other stuff! Too busy to spend a few minutes at least telling us what's going on?
I'm sure they have designated teams for each Bioware game. If not, well then they may indeed not have the resources to continue with Dragon Age (2 DLC at least).
ME is doing well so it would make business sense to spend money and resources on that...

Modifié par Dubya75, 12 janvier 2012 - 06:45 .

[Dubya75]

thats1evildude wrote...

shadowhawk233 wrote...

If Bioware truly cared about us fans

That's a tad melodramatic, isn't it? You make it sound like we just broke up. 

Please, Bioware, come back to me! I'll never date another game studio, I swear!

Let me guess, someone stole your sweet roll?

[Cloaking_Thane]

I'd like to see more, I agree Hawkes story in Act 3 was less than...complete. origins had a few too many cliff hangers as well.

[Marionetten]

They're better off making sure that Dragon Age III is the best experience it possibly can be. No real point in throwing any more resources into the black hole known as Dragon Age II. Let it die and move on to greater things.

[Melca36]

Here's a novel concept....

How about having some patience?


Posting false assumptions or attacking the developers is not going to give you the information you seek.

I believe there will be at least one more and eventually they will announce it.  

Or maybe they will eventually say no more is in the works....

We will just have to accept what direction they take.

[Melca36]

Dubya75 wrote...

Let me just say this one thing at this point: I am only "harping on" about stuff because I care about the Dragon Age franchise. Because I love Dragon Age. Because I see it getting very close to being de-railed by what looks like a lack of focus.
I also really hope the devs read this with the understanding that people would not be here ranting and raving if they didn't care.
We also know that Bioware is capable of better, and it is frustrating to see less instead.

I take it you didn't read this



http://kotaku.com/58...next-dragon-age

[Ponendus]

Dubya75 wrote...

If I'm totally wrong then great! But where's the communication?
Don't tell me they're too busy doing other stuff! Too busy to spend a few minutes at least telling us what's going on?
I'm sure they have designated teams for each Bioware game. If not, well then they may indeed not have the resources to continue with Dragon Age (2 DLC at least).
ME is doing well so it would make business sense to spend money and resources on that...

I will say it again if you wish. The fact that they are busy with other things is not likely to be why they are not making announcements. The marketing plan for game studios is integrative and must take into account all the little bits and pieces that are going on.

Just before Christmas SW:TOR was released
Mass Effect 3 is just around the corner (a huge event for BioWare as the conclusion of that series)

It is not Dragon Age's time right now. They want the public attention elsewhere at the moment, that makes perfect sense from a marketing perspective. They will come back to us in time. My personal prediction (based on nothing mind you) is that we will hear about a DLC shortly, possibly in the next few weeks, and then a DA3 announcement will come a month or two after the ME3 release when all that has died down.