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[Melca36]

Dubya75 wrote...

Well today is announcement Tuesday. If we don't get any news about new DLC today then I'd bet money there aint gonna be any.

They will officially announce it like they did when they announced Witch Hunt would be the last.

Think about it instead of rushing to judgment.

[Mike_Neel]

I doubt DAII will get an actual expansion pack the same size and scope of Awakening. I would imagine that they'll do one more item pack next and then one more story DLC that closes Hawks adventures. I doubt the game will get as much post launch support as ME2 and DAO got however.

[Kail Ashton]

They really should start putting the video debuts up soon, i get this week & next week is the big kingdoms of amalor & me3 cross promotion demos, but hopefully end of next week or so they'll bust it out with the release date in mid feb (doubt it'd be early feb, KoA is feb 7th)

[Cosmochyck]

My own thought is that they may come out with something the size of MoTA again, but they are putting most of their efforts into DA3. Some of the fan base didn't LOVE DA2 (I am not one of them), so I'm sure they are trying to rectify their mistakes and take their time with DA3. And if a majority of gamers have already written off DA2, then why bother putting out more content.

[Melca36]

shadowhawk233 wrote...

I think it would be more appropriate to say that Bioware will admit it made mistakes with DA2. The arrogant stance Laidlaw took when defending the game will change into one more apologetic. Bioware won't bash their game but they will say it didn't go the way it was intended and that Bioware is going to listen to their fans with DA3. Of course this is going to happen when the PR machine starts rolling for DA3.

Oh DA:2 will get trashed just as much Origins did when DA:3 comes out. You will see many DA:2 fans blow a gasket when that happens.

[Mike_Neel]

Bioware in general and especially DAIII are going to get trashed no matter what. DAII already has a really negative stance among gamers. Just look at ToR and the reaction it's getting from many gaming communities. It's all negative for the most part outside of the official ToR community and I've seen plenty of "Bioware is finished" posts out there, never mind it's Bioware Austin, a seperate division of Bioware (which is why it's not on this website).

I promise you the hour DAIII is released plenty of people will storm Metacritic just to write negative reviews mixed with the perfect 10 review that's a parody of a Bioware employee. Never mind most of them are just bandwagon jumping and trying to fit in for the sake of being in on the joke. Same will happen with ME3. Bioware has pretty much lost whatever good grace they had among the more malevolent internet posters out there.

There's nothing Bioware can really do about it at this point except rely on their core fans and people who take internet reviews with grains of salt (or just plain don't know about or avoid internet reviews). So I doubt they'll suddenly change views and say that DAII was less than stellar compared to their usual offerings. They've pretty much already lost in that regard. Going back on everything they've said including they have more fans of DAII than they do fans of Origins or the changes and awesome button were in fact not as awesome as they thought won't get them much respite.

I just can't see them doing an about face when it would be pointless. They'll just do what they have been doing which is making cooing noises at the fans and try to convince people on both sides of the fence that they'll bring the best of both together for the better experience than catering to one side in specific.

[ElitePinecone]

Mike_Neel wrote...
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Isn't this attitude generalising the entire internet community of fans into a rabid collective of teeth-gnashers hellbent on destroying Bioware and ploughing its metaphorical fields with salt?

Never mind that preorders for ME3 have surpassed ME2's with seven or eight weeks until release, and never mind that it's getting a tonne of excited previews and hype from many of the same corners of the internet that railed against DA2. I think such a generalisation doesn't do justice to the ability of people to distinguish between games.  

Anecdotally, yes, Dragon Age 2 tends to crop up fairly regularly in internet commentary about Bioware, usually pejoratively. Even when the article is about something completely different, with a different design team, like Mass Effect 3. 

And yes, there's a prevailing discourse that goes something like 'DA2 was awful, Bioware have gone downhill, blah blah, EA overlords, blah, RPGs, ME3/DA3/SWTOR are doomed, blah, CoD crowd." 

But I'd hardly suggest it means every single release Bioware ever does from now on has to be put in the shadow of one controversial launch. It's really hard to continue being shrill when the reality changes - and if DA3 is of a higher quality than its predecessor, I think we'd see a different reaction. 

I might be grossly overestimating the maturity of people on the internet, but I'd like to think people wouldn't be so stupid as to continue wailing when (or if) something more to their liking is produced. 

[robmokron]

DAII was very high quality (except for reused caves) THe Dlc even have inside jokes about DA, the reused maps, and also i saw a Horatio Line.(made my life)

im not going to go into huge detail,but the themes and storytelling that DAII supassed DA:O, i just think people expected that their character was gonna change the plot, not that the plot happens every time. DAII told the story it had to (whether BW inteaded at the time) to set up for epic templarémage war in DA3

[Dubya75]

Mike_Neel wrote...

Bioware in general and especially DAIII are going to get trashed no matter what. DAII already has a really negative stance among gamers. Just look at ToR and the reaction it's getting from many gaming communities. It's all negative for the most part outside of the official ToR community and I've seen plenty of "Bioware is finished" posts out there, never mind it's Bioware Austin, a seperate division of Bioware (which is why it's not on this website).

I promise you the hour DAIII is released plenty of people will storm Metacritic just to write negative reviews mixed with the perfect 10 review that's a parody of a Bioware employee. Never mind most of them are just bandwagon jumping and trying to fit in for the sake of being in on the joke. Same will happen with ME3. Bioware has pretty much lost whatever good grace they had among the more malevolent internet posters out there.

There's nothing Bioware can really do about it at this point except rely on their core fans and people who take internet reviews with grains of salt (or just plain don't know about or avoid internet reviews). So I doubt they'll suddenly change views and say that DAII was less than stellar compared to their usual offerings. They've pretty much already lost in that regard. Going back on everything they've said including they have more fans of DAII than they do fans of Origins or the changes and awesome button were in fact not as awesome as they thought won't get them much respite.

I just can't see them doing an about face when it would be pointless. They'll just do what they have been doing which is making cooing noises at the fans and try to convince people on both sides of the fence that they'll bring the best of both together for the better experience than catering to one side in specific.

You "promise" all these things, but really, you have as little a clue as the rest of us.
It's OK to voice your opinion and prediction of events, but please don't state them as fact.

[Dubya75]

robmokron wrote...

DAII was very high quality (except for reused caves) THe Dlc even have inside jokes about DA, the reused maps, and also i saw a Horatio Line.(made my life)

im not going to go into huge detail,but the themes and storytelling that DAII supassed DA:O, i just think people expected that their character was gonna change the plot, not that the plot happens every time. DAII told the story it had to (whether BW inteaded at the time) to set up for epic templarémage war in DA3

I agree, most of the elements in DA2 is of very high quality. Those elements just weren't implemented properly, which resulted in a failed game.
Imagine using the art, the mechanics, the voice acting, story telling, companions etc. and building a game as expansive as Skyrim (or even half the size).
It would result in an awesome game!
All the ingredients are there. Bioware just needs to build a proper RPG using those ingredients.

[Ponendus]

Dubya75 wrote...

I agree, most of the elements in DA2 is of very high quality. Those elements just weren't implemented properly, which resulted in a failed game.
Imagine using the art, the mechanics, the voice acting, story telling, companions etc. and building a game as expansive as Skyrim (or even half the size).
It would result in an awesome game!
All the ingredients are there. Bioware just needs to build a proper RPG using those ingredients.

I agree with you on everything except the art. But yes, we know BioWare can do it, moreso I believe that they are the only studio on the planet that can make the kind of game I enjoy thoroughly. I hope that they do; I also think they will.

[Mike_Neel]

Dubya75 wrote...

You "promise" all these things, but really, you have as little a clue as the rest of us.
It's OK to voice your opinion and prediction of events, but please don't state them as fact.

I just think the more molevolant people out there will outshout anything good or positive said about the game at this point. Even if they are a minority. Even if future games release are better products and better received I just think people will drown out the good with the negative like they did with DAII. 

[staindgrey]

Mike_Neel wrote...

Bioware in general and especially DAIII are going to get trashed no matter what. DAII already has a really negative stance among gamers. Just look at ToR and the reaction it's getting from many gaming communities. It's all negative for the most part outside of the official ToR community and I've seen plenty of "Bioware is finished" posts out there, never mind it's Bioware Austin, a seperate division of Bioware (which is why it's not on this website).

Wait, what? Are we on the same internet? I've seen almost nothing but positives, other than the handful of generally pissy people and others complaining that it isn't free-to-play.

The fan and press reactions to ToR and DAII are night and day. Plus it helps that they're also entirely different games that share only the similarities that they're dialogue/story based and they're developed by Bioware (even though ToR team is mostly made up of non-Bioware employees with the Bioware logo slapped atop it).

If anything, Origins and ToR are more similar than DAII and ToR, due to the idea of origin characters, large-scale exploration, NPC customization and the pace of combat. But even then, that's a stretch. Fan reaction to one can't really determine the fan reaction to another, save for a few fanboys and haters, whose opinions are usually petty and misinformed anyway.

But such is the internet.

[alex90c]

Dubya75 wrote...

robmokron wrote...

DAII was very high quality (except for reused caves) THe Dlc even have inside jokes about DA, the reused maps, and also i saw a Horatio Line.(made my life)

im not going to go into huge detail,but the themes and storytelling that DAII supassed DA:O, i just think people expected that their character was gonna change the plot, not that the plot happens every time. DAII told the story it had to (whether BW inteaded at the time) to set up for epic templarémage war in DA3

I agree, most of the elements in DA2 is of very high quality. Those elements just weren't implemented properly, which resulted in a failed game.
Imagine using the art, the mechanics, the voice acting, story telling, companions etc. and building a game as expansive as Skyrim (or even half the size).
It would result in an awesome game!
All the ingredients are there. Bioware just needs to build a proper RPG using those ingredients.

So if the elements weren't implemented properly (i.e. badly) then how are they "of very high quality"?

[Atakuma]

It's game over man, game over!

[SleepyPerson]

Atakuma wrote...

It's game over man, game over!

*Restarts from last save point.*

[FieryDove]

robmokron wrote...

 i just think people expected that their character was gonna change the plot, not that the plot happens every time. DAII told the story it had to (whether BW inteaded at the time) to set up for epic templarémage war in DA3

People expected it yes...

Maybe because:

#1 key feature:
Embark upon an all-new adventure that takes place across an entire decade and shapes itself around every decision you make.

I think marketing needs to be brought into the real world...just a bit.

I would imagine if there is no more dlc they would announce it like people have already stated. I also imagine most of the crew is hard at work on DA3.

Modifié par FieryDove, 18 janvier 2012 - 09:02 .

[Sylvianus]

I'd rather prefer they work immediately on DA3.

Otherwise, if they don't have news to bring, if they have nothing to say, they are right to say nothing.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 18 janvier 2012 - 10:05 .

[Dubya75]

alex90c wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

robmokron wrote...

DAII was very high quality (except for reused caves) THe Dlc even have inside jokes about DA, the reused maps, and also i saw a Horatio Line.(made my life)

im not going to go into huge detail,but the themes and storytelling that DAII supassed DA:O, i just think people expected that their character was gonna change the plot, not that the plot happens every time. DAII told the story it had to (whether BW inteaded at the time) to set up for epic templarémage war in DA3

I agree, most of the elements in DA2 is of very high quality. Those elements just weren't implemented properly, which resulted in a failed game.
Imagine using the art, the mechanics, the voice acting, story telling, companions etc. and building a game as expansive as Skyrim (or even half the size).
It would result in an awesome game!
All the ingredients are there. Bioware just needs to build a proper RPG using those ingredients.

So if the elements weren't implemented properly (i.e. badly) then how are they "of very high quality"?

I have the best quality bricks. Does that necessarily mean I am going to build the best quality house?
I'm sure you understand what I'm getting at, right?

[esper]

Mike_Neel wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

You "promise" all these things, but really, you have as little a clue as the rest of us.
It's OK to voice your opinion and prediction of events, but please don't state them as fact.

I just think the more molevolant people out there will outshout anything good or positive said about the game at this point. Even if they are a minority. Even if future games release are better products and better received I just think people will drown out the good with the negative like they did with DAII. 

That is what I think too. There are a very vocal hating on the Me3 forum already and people are using a leaked script to declare that Me3 is a failure. If the opinion is this before they play the game it is going to fail because they are not going to the game openminded.

[Sylvianus]

I disagree. people react to some bad news, like " my favourite squadmate won't be with me all the time, why the parangon path is better than the renegade path, why this character dies, in the leaked script ? "

They do not complain about Mass effect, because it is labeled Bioware, or because of DA2. Maybe you don't understand their complaints, ( me too ) but those are concrete to me. At least, it is not just, cuz Bioware is lost.

Actually there is no hatred about mass effect 3 outside of the bsn, or I don't see it at all. Outside, they do not speak about the leaked script, all videos on youtube about Mass effect 3 comments are very positive. Even for the multiplayer. Oo

Mass effect preorder sales are already better than those of M1 and M2.

In short, I don't believe that people will complain about new bioware's games, because it's bioware, and if what they see seems promising.

If DA3 seems promising, I am sure that many people will change their mind, even on the bsn.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 19 janvier 2012 - 01:03 .

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Personally, I really do like DAII, I love its design, it characters, and I want to continue immersing myself in this world.

Now, as for DLC: Origins had 3 add-ons, some extra bonus materials, and 4 post-campaign stories. AND Awakenings. Mass Effect 2 has had 8 missionpacks. Now, DAII has had 3 add-ons, except these were also playable post-campaign. OFCOURSE they will release more. However, the question is whether these will be completely postcampaign, or partly in-campaign. Since there's one wall-position left, it stand to reason there will be at least one more story add-on in the style of the previous ones, and presumable, 2 or 3 completely post-campaign stories. The question is, whether there will be an expansion like Awakenings for DAII, and I for one hope they will,

And I just one to say one last thing for everyone here on the fora: DOn't forget, we are the vocal minority. Yes, we're the ones giving the feedback, but what matters most to Bioware are not the fans, but the revenue. And revenue isn;'t created by listening to the fans, but by bringing in NEW players. For every dozen people coming to the site and hating DAII, claiming they sold their copy and won't ever play a Bioware game ever gain, thousands of new players have come on to the Bioware bandwagon. So, please, just keep some perspective.

[bluewolv1970]

The game is going on a year old and there hasn't been a dlc in 5 months...Origins had 3 times the dlc and was finished in 9 months...throw in the negative buzz of the game (and lackluster sales) and I think it is safe to assume the dlc train is finished...