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[MisterJB]

Luc0s wrote...
The chance that a base-keeper finds something useful is small.

The chance that a base-destroyer finds something useful is zero, zip, nothing, none, nada, niente.

Not true. Sovereign was destroyed but the council races were still able to salvage useful tech from its corpse like the Thanix Cannon.

It's obvious that by destroying the base, Shepard is minimizing the chances of finding something useful but, at the same time, the risks of whatever it is found turning itself against us are also smaller.

[AlexXIV]

Luc0s wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Luc0s wrote...
The chance that a base-keeper finds something useful is small.

The chance that a base-destroyer finds something useful is zero, zip, nothing, none, nada, niente.

Not true. Sovereign was destroyed but the council races were still able to salvage useful tech from its corpse like the Thanix Cannon.

It's obvious that by destroying the base, Shepard is minimizing the chances of finding something useful but, at the same time, the risks of whatever it is found turning itself against us are also smaller.

We're not talking about tech here, but we're talking about intel, info, knowledge. there is not enough time to salvage and research the base.

But data files will help us for sure and those can be found within a minute if you can locate the database of the Collector base. However, don't think you can find those data files if you blow up the base.

A broken PC can still be salvaged, but don't think you can actually find the user's information when the HDD is blown to smithereens. Just sayin'.

Thing is I doubt the base serves as a library for Reaper knowledge. Probably all information there is about building a Reaper. Unless there is some clue in the Reaper blueprints there is nothing to find. And I somehow doubt they have critical weaknesses listed in their blueprints. At the very least you probably need to understand how a Reaper works. And to learn that you need alot of time. More than we have probably. If you say oh well there could be some disk with an introduction to how to destroy a reaper then I fear the chances are zero. Unless they are really stupid. If Reapers were smart then they would at least have a self destruction mechanism to prevent important information to fall in enemy hands. We can now argue about how clever Reapers really are. Probably not very considering how they are going to lose a war they couldn't lose to begin with.

[Heimdall]

Saphra Deden wrote...

In the past studying Reaper tech has almost always killed everyone involved and only sometimes yielded beneficial results

A tad more accurate.

[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Thing is I doubt the base serves as a library for Reaper knowledge.

The base was building a Reaper and thus it possesses the means to construct all of the Reaper technology found within a Reaper.

It has Reaper technology. This point is not debatable.

In the past studying Reaper tech has been beenficial, life-saving even.

...but, you're a blind stubborn moron so I'm sure you'll blow it up anyway.

If it takes a blind stubborn moron to end the Reapers once for all then I am up for the job!

But seriously, I am not debating that there could be useful clues on the base. I am debating if we will be able to use it in time before the Reapers arrive. And if TIM is handing them over or rather keeping them for the next step after the war. If he is a good enough chess player or strategist of any sort he will not only plan one or two steps ahead. He probably plans every step until he has what he wants. Which is probably not the same I want.

[AlexXIV]

Luc0s wrote...

I was going to write the exact same response as Saphra.


To add to what Saphra said:


Reaper blueprints or any insight on how they are build would be a HUGE advantage for us! That's not something to treat lightly. If such blueprints exist onboard the Collector base (and they most likely do), we have to get those blueprints at all cost. Blowing up the base is the worst thing you can do in that case.

You will not get the blueprints, Cerberus will.

[AlexXIV]

Luc0s wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

I was going to write the exact same response as Saphra.


To add to what Saphra said:


Reaper blueprints or any insight on how they are build would be a HUGE advantage for us! That's not something to treat lightly. If such blueprints exist onboard the Collector base (and they most likely do), we have to get those blueprints at all cost. Blowing up the base is the worst thing you can do in that case.

You will not get the blueprints, Cerberus will.

So? They also want to stop the reapers, though I get the feeling how they want to stop the reapers is a tad bit different than how I want it, but we're not in the position to pick favorites really. The reapers are the doorstep of the galaxy and if we don't do something about it we'll all be DEATH soon.

Wouldn't you hate sacrificing your life to throw down a dictator just to see him replaced with another dictator? I know I would. Fighting for something needs to make sense. Yes the Reapers are the bigger threat. But ignoring every other threat because of them is likely to bite you in the ass at some point. It is the same question with the genophage of the Krogans or the Rachni. Or the Geth. Using every tool available against the Reapers may pretty much doom the galaxy as much as the Reapers do.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 12 janvier 2012 - 02:11 .

[Someone With Mass]

TIM doesn't want to stop the Reapers. He wants to control them.

And that's about as bad as letting them do what they do now.

[BlueMagitek]

Pretty sure Cerberus/Krogan/Rachni aren't going to systematically destroy all advanced organic life every 50,000 years.

But hey, that's just me.

[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Wouldn't you hate sacrificing your life to throw down a dictator just to see him replaced with another dictator?

Depends on if he's worse than the last one.

You really think Cerberus is worse than the Reapers?

Do you know how long the Reapers have been around and how many lives they've extinguished?

At some point they started it. Just because they do it for a long time doesn't mean that someone else can't start just the same thing after they are defeated. I don't believe that history repeats per se. But if people don't learn the right lessons from history it is likely to repeat. Cerberus doesn't look to me like they learn any lesson. They want power, much of it and fast. That's probably how the Reapers started out at first too. Sacrificed a bit too much for something that may have been a well intentioned struggle.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

No it's not. Humanity is spared if we control the Reapers.

Keep telling yourself that. And to the man who's indoctrinating people on purpose to make them his loyal slaves.

There will always be a power struggle as well. Even within humanity. Because we're not one front, in case you haven't noticed. 

[AlexXIV]

jreezy wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

TIM doesn't want to stop the Reapers. He wants to control them.

And that's about as bad as letting them do what they do now.

No it's not. Humanity is spared if we control the Reapers.

But is every other race? That's the real question.

Why would they spare humanity? If anything humanity is a threat to them as every other race. And they are not stable, unless they are all indoctrinated. Btw, this sounds very much like Saren tbh.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 12 janvier 2012 - 02:15 .