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[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Nope. I don't read books or comics of a game I play. If the information is not comming ingame, it is not comming to me at all. I hate that they do that and I will never support it in any way.

I see. So if you don't like a certain aspect of a fictional setting or franchise then you just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist. How convenient.

There's a lot of BS in those comics and some in the novels that I don't like, but I still must accept them as canon.

There's really no point in arguing with you then.

If you bought furniture you have to build yourself and there is no instruction. Then you go back to the store and say hey, wft, where is the instruction, and they offer it to you for another 10 bucks, wouldn't you be upset? If Bioware doesn't deliever all necessary information in their games then it is not part of my canon. I will not be forced to buy their stupid books just to understand their stupid games.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 12 janvier 2012 - 02:32 .

[AlexXIV]

Luc0s wrote...
I know for a fact etc ...

Funny how you are the guy who told me that I mistake facts for opinions.

[AlexXIV]

Luc0s wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

If you bought furniture you have to build yourself and there is no instruction. Then you go back to the store and say hey, wft, where is the instruction, and they offer it to you for another 10 bucks, wouldn't you be upset? If Bioware doesn't deliever all necessary information in their games then it is not part of my canon. I will not be forced to buy their stupid books just to understand their stupid games.

Okay, bye.

Oh, leaving so early? Bye.

[AlexXIV]

Luc0s wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Luc0s wrote...
I know for a fact etc ...

Funny how you are the guy who told me that I mistake facts for opinions.

Because you did. And you still do I see.


All my facts come from the novels, which are canon. Deal with it.

I'd have to see them to believe them. Deal with this.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

jreezy wrote...
Fair point. I figure that's how Cerberus views the other races as well but I believe having them around can yield some great inventions and discoveries that could benefit humanity and the galaxy as a whole.

Right like um...

Medi-gel! Oh wait, that was a human invention. Which is also illegal.

EDI! ...another human invention. Geth. They're technologically superior.

The Normandy! Another human invention. Collector ship, Oculus and the Reapers. They can see the Normandy just fine.

Carriers! Ah... also human. Oh, you can launch fighters. Big whoop. Say hi to a few dreadnoughts that can blow those ships away long before the fighters reach them.

The aliens have given us nothing we wouldn't have eventually produced ourselves. A slightly better gun? Slightly better armor? That's not much. And yet, humanity's most advanced ship gets shot up so badly without those inventions. And what was it the core did when it was overloading after the shields got hit like twice? Oh, right. Incinerated anyone in the engineering room. Great design there. Oh and by the way. Protheans. Humanity won't surpass them.

The other races are competitors and if we can safely neutralize them then we should. It will leave humanity with more room to grow and less to fear. By that logic, you should kill off humanity as well, because there will always be competition between factions. And factions will always form, because one guy can't represent and make decisions for a whole race. No matter how much you want Timmy to.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 12 janvier 2012 - 02:40 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Why would him doing sick things mean he won't let humanity prosper? Prosperity is what he wants. No country or civilization became prosperous by keeping its hands clean.

So he's letting them prosper by holding out on them? class act.

[AlexXIV]

Luc0s wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Luc0s wrote...
I know for a fact etc ...

Funny how you are the guy who told me that I mistake facts for opinions.

Because you did. And you still do I see.


All my facts come from the novels, which are canon. Deal with it.

I'd have to see them to believe them. Deal with this.

You can easily see these facts for yourself if you simply just buy or download the books. Or just read the summary of those books on the Mass Effect wiki.

Come on. It's not difficult. Of course it's clear you're willfully ignorant when the facts are against you. But don't think you can get out of this so easily pall.

From the wiki:

His long-term plans are ultimately unknown, but he has many different projects all factoring into helping humanity achieve its rightful place. Currently, it seems that his main focus is on the Reapers after their discovery, realizing the vast threat they pose on humanity. He appears to dedicate all his vast resources to stop them by any means necessary.

Seems the wiki does not support your 'facts'.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

So he's letting them prosper by holding out on them? class act.

Holding out on who?

Humanity.

[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

If you bought furniture you have to build yourself and there is no instruction. Then you go back to the store and say hey, wft, where is the instruction, and they offer it to you for another 10 bucks, wouldn't you be upset? If Bioware doesn't deliever all necessary information in their games then it is not part of my canon. I will not be forced to buy their stupid books just to understand their stupid games.

How do you feel about sequels? Isn't that the same deal?

I didn't buy the books because I NEEDED to. I bought them because I wanted to read them. Novels can provide exposition in a way that a game cannot. Same with a film.

Give them a try instead of hating them for some bizarre ideological reason.

I don't need them. They could put important information for example in the Shadowbroker Base. You can read all of silly stuff there. If there is information about TIM that would be imporantant to make a decision then the Shadowbroker should know imo. For example instead of Miranda's fail dating log. I know alot about TIM, more than I would know from the game. Because I frequent this forum. The point is I would have to read the book just to prove you wrong. Because more likely you are just assuming stuff and declare it for facts even though it is probably much more ambigious. I am a sceptic by nature, and if I read something I am not reading it to believe everything written there, I read it to find the loop hole. The possible way they are going to chicken out on their 'facts' at some point.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 12 janvier 2012 - 02:54 .

[Stanley Woo]

Let's tone down the bickering, please. We can disagree with each other without resorting to all the sarcasm and name-calling. thank you.

[Dean_the_Young]

Sarcasm?! Has it really fallen so far?

[Firesteel]

Wow, I'm gone for a couple hours and the thread gets a warning. I feel special now.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

jreezy wrote...
Fair point. I figure that's how Cerberus views the other races as well but I believe having them around can yield some great inventions and discoveries that could benefit humanity and the galaxy as a whole.

Right like um...

Medi-gel! Oh wait, that was a human invention. Which is also illegal. And yet it works so magnificently that the Council is willing to overlook the fact that it's technically illegal. 

EDI! ...another human invention. Geth. They're technologically superior. And yet EDI is directly compatible with Reaper tech, even able to mine their databanks at will. The only thing the geth have is technology that is different from the other in-cycle species, nothing that surpasses it.

The Normandy! Another human invention. Collector ship, Oculus and the Reapers. They can see the Normandy just fine. The first Normandy got destroyed because it fell into a pre-set trap, that however does not not undermine the validity of the innovations made to it; hence why there is a Normandy-class line of ships by the time it's 2085, and why TIM decided to give Shepard a more advanced model of the same ship instead of - let's say - just another dreadnought (ignoring the possible political ramifications for a moment). Also note how it took just said first Normandy to bring down Sovereign and Saren, and just another to take down several Oculi, the Collector Cruiser and take the Collector base.

Carriers! Ah... also human. Oh, you can launch fighters. Big whoop. Say hi to a few dreadnoughts that can blow those ships away long before the fighters reach them. But carriers aren't bound to the Treaty of Farixen, hun, and tend to stay out of the action themselves. I'd like to see you use a dreathnaught to attack an enemy on the other side of a planet.


The aliens have given us nothing we wouldn't have eventually produced ourselves. A slightly better gun? Slightly better armor? That's not much. And yet, humanity's most advanced ship gets shot up so badly without those inventions. And what was it the core did when it was overloading after the shields got hit like twice? Oh, right. Incinerated anyone in the engineering room. Great design there. Oh and by the way. Protheans. Humanity won't surpass them.  The way the stealth feature worked required skill/common sense on part of the ship's commander; saying overloading it is a reason the design sucks is like saying a gun sucks because you can't keep shooting without reloading, or that your cannon exploded because you put too much gunpowder into it. And we already surpassed the Protheans the moment we got Sovereign.

The other races are competitors and if we can safely neutralize them then we should. It will leave humanity with more room to grow and less to fear. By that logic, you should kill off humanity as well, because there will always be competition between factions. And factions will always form, because one guy can't represent and make decisions for a whole race. No matter how much you want Timmy to. Still, humanity itself would presevere in that scenario. Also, a benign form of indoctrination could take care of that problem altogether. 

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Sarcasm?! Has it really fallen so far?

Say it ain't so. Truly, the decline of these forums has begun...

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 12 janvier 2012 - 03:55 .

[Nashiktal]

AlexXIV wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

If you bought furniture you have to build yourself and there is no instruction. Then you go back to the store and say hey, wft, where is the instruction, and they offer it to you for another 10 bucks, wouldn't you be upset? If Bioware doesn't deliever all necessary information in their games then it is not part of my canon. I will not be forced to buy their stupid books just to understand their stupid games.

How do you feel about sequels? Isn't that the same deal?

I didn't buy the books because I NEEDED to. I bought them because I wanted to read them. Novels can provide exposition in a way that a game cannot. Same with a film.

Give them a try instead of hating them for some bizarre ideological reason.

I don't need them. They could put important information for example in the Shadowbroker Base. You can read all of silly stuff there. If there is information about TIM that would be imporantant to make a decision then the Shadowbroker should know imo. For example instead of Miranda's fail dating log. I know alot about TIM, more than I would know from the game. Because I frequent this forum. The point is I would have to read the book just to prove you wrong. Because more likely you are just assuming stuff and declare it for facts even though it is probably much more ambigious. I am a sceptic by nature, and if I read something I am not reading it to believe everything written there, I read it to find the loop hole. The possible way they are going to chicken out on their 'facts' at some point.

Regardless of whether you like them or not, the information in the books is canon. If you don't want to read them, then just check a wiki or ask someone about pertinant information. You can ignore the information in the books if you wish, but that simply means you come to any future ME related material with that much less information that could help put things into context.

By your logic you shouldn't care about any of the DLC either, like the shadowbroker DLC you reference.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 12 janvier 2012 - 03:56 .

[Blacklash93]

Oh look, another xenophobic, human-supremacist circle jerk by the renegade TIM-worshipers. How surprising.