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[Sarquindi]

I think it would be highly possible to bring Morrigan back. Even if you "killed" her, she fell through the mirror after being stabbed. We never saw a corpse.

I think her role was far too large to be entirely dismissed. Whether or not you used her, liked her, or hated her; Morrigan is still a major character within the Dragon Age universe.

I, personally, hope she does return. Morrigan was a very interesting character, and my favourite thus far. Her connection with Flemeth is far from over, in my eyes.

[Ponendus]

I've been thinking about this lately and one of the consistent complaints I see is 'but how are they going to handle all the possibilities about who is the OGB father, or who Morrigan romanced, or her connection to the Warden'. I still don't see why any reference to the past can't be something like this:

DA3 Protagonist: who is the father of this child?
Morrigan: that is none of your concern

And that's it, no need to ever mention anything again. Every player knows their version of what happened and the developers don't need to worry about even transferring a save?

Just a thought.

[DreamwareStudio]

Ponendus wrote...

I've been thinking about this lately and one of the consistent complaints I see is 'but how are they going to handle all the possibilities about who is the OGB father, or who Morrigan romanced, or her connection to the Warden'. I still don't see why any reference to the past can't be something like this:

DA3 Protagonist: who is the father of this child?
Morrigan: that is none of your concern

And that's it, no need to ever mention anything again. Every player knows their version of what happened and the developers don't need to worry about even transferring a save?

Just a thought.

The problem with that is Morrigan is heavily entrenched in some player's minds as linked with the Warden.  To bring her back and not the Warden (especially when the Warden vanished with Morrigan) is opening up a can of worms I think Bioware/EA would be wise to avoid given the unrest of many customers.  If they brought her back and dismissed the Warden's absence, you're looking at a bunch of pissed off people.  To bring her back and have her poorly represented and/or rendered?

Whew, man, that would not be good.

I just don't see the pay off, honestly.  By bringing her back you risk further alienating fans of DA:O and I think most DA 2 fans aren't that interested in her.

At this point, if Bioware/EA want a success with DA 3, they would be wise to start with everything new, from the PC to NPCs right on through to the location.

[Gealunn]

LPPrince wrote...
Morrigan's appearance is iconic, it represents Thedas as a whole. The latter part of that sentence being the gist of what has been said by developers in the past.

I think that Morrigan was a great character to imagine and create the world of Thedas from scratch, while developing Origins. I mean, from this poster you can imagine a lot of stories. But maybe developers are going to have other sources to imagine Thedas and its stories, as more and more stories already exists. (Not very clear, sorry.)

LPPrince wrote...
The appearances of many DAO characters were ruined in DA2(Flemeth being the exception, rather than the rule). Morrigan is important, so very very important, directly and indirectly.

Speaking of ruined characters, I hope Morrigan is never going to be back like this:



They can't make Morrigan as she was in Origins again. If she comes back (which I hope) one of the best way to bring her back would be to change her, she has good reasons to live plenty of adventure and it would be consistent to see her with a different look and with different thoughts.

[Sarquindi]

Ponendus wrote...

I've been thinking about this lately and one of the consistent complaints I see is 'but how are they going to handle all the possibilities about who is the OGB father, or who Morrigan romanced, or her connection to the Warden'. I still don't see why any reference to the past can't be something like this:

DA3 Protagonist: who is the father of this child?
Morrigan: that is none of your concern

And that's it, no need to ever mention anything again. Every player knows their version of what happened and the developers don't need to worry about even transferring a save?

Just a thought.

A very good idea!  Morrigan isn't likely to tell anyone the details of her child's birth or conception.  I can vision her giving a reply like this.   It allows the player to create whatever background story they wish.

[InfinitePaths]

google_calasade wrote...

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

I hope she comes back, but I wouldn't see why.
Warden's story is over, from what I am told anyways. Maybe Hawke finds her on a side quest in the Wilds or Mountains.

This, that right there, would be akin to smoking while swimming in gasoline.

Honestly, at this point, I think it would be better for Bioware/EA to reboot the Dragon Age franchise, meaning new story, new location, and entirely new characters.

NO CAMEOS, REFERENCES, NOTHING.

I agree about Morigan but why wlod Bioware want to throw out their great story and lore for something new?

[Tartan1456]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...
 I agree about Morigan but why wlod Bioware want to throw out their great story and lore for something new? 

 
I totally agree, Origins is the first impression people get of DA and so they expect to see that great story continued and there are a lot of whiners that want cameos of characters from both games. I myself would like to see a combination of companions from both games, a few you can recruit but at the cost of recruiting a different companion

[Slayer299]

Honestly OP, I can't see BW ever touching the Morrigan issue...ever. It is just too volatile and they backed themselved into a corner with it, so the logical option for them is to pretend it (OGB) never happened and go on from there, the same logic would apply to Witch Hunt as well. I don['t agree with that likelihood myself since I happen to have really liked Morrigan and the OGB with how it could really screw things up down the road, but that's just me though.

[DreamwareStudio]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

google_calasade wrote...

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

I hope she comes back, but I wouldn't see why.
Warden's story is over, from what I am told anyways. Maybe Hawke finds her on a side quest in the Wilds or Mountains.

This, that right there, would be akin to smoking while swimming in gasoline.

Honestly, at this point, I think it would be better for Bioware/EA to reboot the Dragon Age franchise, meaning new story, new location, and entirely new characters.

NO CAMEOS, REFERENCES, NOTHING.

I agree about Morigan but why wlod Bioware want to throw out their great story and lore for something new?

Because they've fractured their customer base with DA 2.  I think the best chance they have to satisfy people who like DA 2 and those who like Origins is to start fresh.

[Slayer299]

@google_calasade - I agree with you on this because as much as on one hand it seems as if BW is throwing the baby out with the bath water, to start over from scratch and a hundred years or so later would allow them a free hand to do what wanted without any further outcries about X acting differently in previous DAO/DA2.

[DreamwareStudio]

Slayer299 wrote...

@google_calasade - I agree with you on this because as much as on one hand it seems as if BW is throwing the baby out with the bath water, to start over from scratch and a hundred years or so later would allow them a free hand to do what wanted without any further outcries about X acting differently in previous DAO/DA2.

Yep, that's my thinking.  They take out the risk of irritating currently happy fans of DA 2 as well as not risking any further alienation of DA:O customers and maybe offering something that will attract players from both camps.

[Tartan1456]

I just hope for all of Thedas to be used as a map and a ripple effect of your choices.

[Saishinobi]

I wonder if Flemeth will meet with Morrigan in DA3. What will happen if Morrigan finds out that Flemeth is not dead ? or better yet What will Flemeth do to Morrigan if she finds her ?

Modifié par Saishinobi, 12 janvier 2012 - 11:29 .

[Sylvianus]

If she is useful in DA3, why not. If she is as useless as flemeth in DA2, I would prefer she remains where she is.

[Dave of Canada]

As long as she doesn't swallow the entire plot, I wouldn't mind. I didn't care much for her or the god baby, therefore it doesn't exist and she was stabbed.

[Deadmac]

steve3194 wrote...

Just wondering if anyone thinks Morrigon will return in Dragon Age 3.

Shes supposed to be a large character the plot of the overall dragon age story

I know it was possible to kill her in witch hunt but look what their able to do with Mass Effect 3 Ashley/kaidan etc

Just looking for thoughts and opinions

When you playthrough all of the Flemeth encounters, pay attention to what she says. Before your last encounter ends, listen to what she says about Morrigan, herself, and their destiny.

Encounter #1 - Prologue of "Dragon Age II".
Encounter #2 - Bringing her amulet to the Dalish.

"Dragin Age: Witch Hunt" - Morrigan steps through one of the elvish mirrors, so she can help define her child's destiny. Since her child will become heir to the thrown, we can only imagine the impact of such a discovery may have. Also, her child is now the vessel of an old god.

"Dragon Age II" - Flemeth reveals how she cheats death, and she gives hints that their story is not over. 'Destiny' is the key word in her dialogue as well. Pay attention to what she says.

Modifié par Deadmac, 13 janvier 2012 - 11:29 .

[melkobelcha]

motomotogirl wrote...

When I think about it, I don't see how they could bring Morrigan back. In some people's games, she carries the Warden's child; in other's, she carries Alistair's; in yet still other's, she never gets pregnant at all!

I would be pissed if BW made Warden x Morrigan canon, and I have a MALE Warden. How pissed would all the players with FEMALE Wardens out there be?!

After bringing back Leliana in DA2 when she had died in some people's games I don't think Bioware really cares about the choices people made in DA:O.

[expanding panic]

Deadmac wrote...

steve3194 wrote...

Just wondering if anyone thinks Morrigon will return in Dragon Age 3.

Shes supposed to be a large character the plot of the overall dragon age story

I know it was possible to kill her in witch hunt but look what their able to do with Mass Effect 3 Ashley/kaidan etc

Just looking for thoughts and opinions

When you playthrough all of the Flemeth encounters, pay attention to what she says. Before your last encounter ends, listen to what she says about Morrigan, herself, and their destiny.

Encounter #1 - Prologue of "Dragon Age II".
Encounter #2 - Bringing her amulet to the Dalish.

"Dragin Age: Witch Hunt" - Morrigan steps through one of the elvish mirrors, so she can help define her child's destiny. Since her child will become heir to the thrown, we can only imagine the impact of such a discovery may have. Also, her child is now the vessel of an old god.

"Dragon Age II" - Flemeth reveals how she cheats death, and she gives hints that their story is not over. 'Destiny' is the key word in her dialogue as well. Pay attention to what she says.

What did he say exactly? 

[Chaia]

melkobelcha wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

When I think about it, I don't see how they could bring Morrigan back. In some people's games, she carries the Warden's child; in other's, she carries Alistair's; in yet still other's, she never gets pregnant at all!

I would be pissed if BW made Warden x Morrigan canon, and I have a MALE Warden. How pissed would all the players with FEMALE Wardens out there be?!

After bringing back Leliana in DA2 when she had died in some people's games I don't think Bioware really cares about the choices people made in DA:O.

This, some people hated and beheaded Leliana in DAO but she was back in DA2 along with Anders, I've even heard Shale is in Asunder which means no matter what you do in DAO she gets awakened by the Warden, this has probably happened with other characters so on and so fourth, so I'm guessing something simailer will probably happen with Morrigan and and her son.

The BioWare devs have been around long enouth to know that no matter what they do there will be a lot of unrest from the 'fans', people would probably be more alienated and angry if BioWare completely dumped the current set of characters and made DA3 with a completely new set of characters.

Besides, BioWare won't just skip ahead 100 or so years into the future and start from scratch because as they've said countless times, the Dragon Age franchise is about Thedas during its 'Dragon Age' and what happened during that era (hence the name) so I'd be very suprised if they just took a clean slate and restarted in a different era......

Modifié par Chaia, 15 janvier 2012 - 12:04 .

[DreamwareStudio]

Rojahar wrote...

I don't get how Morrigan is suddenly the main character of the whole franchise. I kicked her out of the party ASAP. Alistair was the one always along for the ride and integral to the story. She wasn't even in DA2.

You can look back as far as 2004 when Dragon Age was first announced and see representation of Morrigan.  She was always meant to be a main character in the DA series, I believe, but the storyline of DA:O has pretty much backed Bioware/EA into a corner with her.  She is (in many cases) irrevocably tied to the Warden.

IMO, DA 3 should feature new characters, new location, and an entirely new storyline far, far away from DA:O and DA 2.  It's the only chance Bioware/EA has of keeping fans of both games remotely happy.  My bet is they try for a merge of almost all things DA:O and DA 2 along with new implementation and ideas and they fail.

Though that's the bet I would make, I hope that is not the case.

Modifié par google_calasade, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:33 .

[wsandista]

I'm pretty much certain that Bioware is gonna bring Morrigan back, and she's probably going to have a boy, since in Witch Hunt it is confirmed that the OGB is male and Morrigan is one of the few companions that can't be killed or confirmed dead. Morrigans child's father would be either Warden, Alistar, Logahin, or someone anonymous.

The problem is making her appearance work, her design should change since she has aged at least 10 years since DAO, but if it is anything like what they did to Nathaniel or even worse Zevran there will be quite a chunk of the Origins fanbase that goes berserk

[ohnotherancor]

Chaia wrote...

This, some people hated and beheaded Leliana in DAO but she was back in DA2 along with Anders, I've even heard Shale is in Asunder which means no matter what you do in DAO she gets awakened by the Warden, this has probably happened with other characters so on and so fourth, so I'm guessing something simailer will probably happen with Morrigan and and her son.

The books follow their own canon. And as for Morrigan and her son, I'm going to leave this here...

David Gaider wrote...

May I put this to rest?

If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done. Had Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was slain. If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go through all the trouble?

We could undoubtedly come up with some complex Plan B on Morrigan's part whereby she gets the Archdemon's soul but has to do something far more terrible-- but a) that removes the player's agency in the biggest single choice of Origins and would probably be pretty lame.

Modifié par x0hn0th3r4nc0rx, 17 janvier 2012 - 04:54 .

[HiroVoid]

If it comes down to it, is it David Gaider's call though? That seems something someone more up top would get to make the call on that.