Well, considering I try very hard to keep my main shep aligned with my personality, I suppose it does have a small effect. I have huge problems with authority figures and take every opportunity to undermine them. Moral Background? Well I guess I was raised in a christian house hold though my father is a deistic taoist. Growing up I read a lot of nietzsche and if I had to explain my views on philosophy and moralitry, I would say it matches nietzche's views rather closely. As for personal expernces, well thats no ones business but my own, suffice to say Ive experienced a lot and try to take life's lessons to heart. Ended up a paragade, so I dunno. I guess what Im saying in this inane rambling is its complicated.
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I do my best to separate myself from my Shepard; my Colonist/Ruthless Shepard reacts wildly different than my Earthborn/War Hero Shepard. I try to base Shepard's actions on their experiences.
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Posté 10 janvier 2012 - 03:11
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I usually choose what I actually want to do but occasionally give in to the temptation and play it for the grades.
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Posté 10 janvier 2012 - 03:17
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In a game where the morality system is one of good/evil, my own morality dictates the choices of my character.
In the case of the ME games, Paragon/Renegade aren't the same thing as good/evil.
Whilst I'm predominantly Paragon, I do also take the Renegade options if/when necessary. So, I simply decide on which to use given the person and circumstances.
For example, the interrogation during Thane's loyalty mission, I always choose the Renegade option of "I'm a Spectre and am above the law etc". I'm dealing with a class-A piece of low-life filth who has vital information regarding both Kolyat and the assassination he's going to commit. The best choice in that scenario is to scare the living crap out of him so that he sings like a song bird in spring.
In the case of the ME games, Paragon/Renegade aren't the same thing as good/evil.
Whilst I'm predominantly Paragon, I do also take the Renegade options if/when necessary. So, I simply decide on which to use given the person and circumstances.
For example, the interrogation during Thane's loyalty mission, I always choose the Renegade option of "I'm a Spectre and am above the law etc". I'm dealing with a class-A piece of low-life filth who has vital information regarding both Kolyat and the assassination he's going to commit. The best choice in that scenario is to scare the living crap out of him so that he sings like a song bird in spring.
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Being an eternal optimist, but with a pragmatic streak, I have found that there are some choices I literally can not make. I can not kill the Rachni. I've psyched myself up for this the last three times I've played. I get to that point and am ready to push the button, and then think that I am dooming an entire species for crimes committed by their centuries-dead antecedents. And I can't do it. I can not bring myself to punish an innocent because the MIGHT commit a crime. Nope, sorry, can't do it.
OHHHHH!!!!!!! You know what we need in the next Bioware game? We need to have a system that completely flips the morality system around. Forget this grey on grey nonsence. I want morality and actions at right angles to eachother. In order to do something good, say to save the little kitten, you need to be a total rat bastard, intimidating people and kicking puppies. To accomplish my evil goals, say to eat the little kitten, I will need to be sweet, understanding, and persuasive as hell.
OHHHHH!!!!!!! You know what we need in the next Bioware game? We need to have a system that completely flips the morality system around. Forget this grey on grey nonsence. I want morality and actions at right angles to eachother. In order to do something good, say to save the little kitten, you need to be a total rat bastard, intimidating people and kicking puppies. To accomplish my evil goals, say to eat the little kitten, I will need to be sweet, understanding, and persuasive as hell.
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My beliefs make the Renegade methodology in Mass Effect very appealing in most ways most of the time.
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personaly in RL I was born in a country at war, my dad was a P.O.W. and the exp. has taught me much. I play mostly Paragon but have some Renegade actions. If I can finish a job with minimal KIA or colateral damage I will, this is prevelent during zaeed's loyalty mission, never sacrifice civilians that is a general rule for me, knowing the cost of non combatant deaths and how it can eat you from the inside out. I have a friend whose father served in the Croatian military during the Balkan war as a sniper. he refused to evan kill his enemy incapacitating there legs. on the renegade aspect I will almost always kill the girl that pulls a shotgun on me on Illium as any person would shoot at a person weilding a powerful weapon at them.
Life has taught me to be more compasionate I guess.
Same here. I value human life, especially innocents, highly.
I made this mostly wondering about Renegades. Mostly because I find it hard to imagine someone going around doing some of the things that RenShep does.
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Saphra Deden wrote...
My beliefs make the Renegade methodology in Mass Effect very appealing in most ways most of the time.
I'm curious what your beliefs are. Do you follow a specific religion or philosophy?
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I play not really incorporating my own morals but rather the morals i wish i had thats why i play mostly paragon the odd ren moment here and there but mostly paragon. if im good in a game i can justify all the bad **** i do in real life right?
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Saphra Deden wrote...
My beliefs make the Renegade methodology in Mass Effect very appealing in most ways most of the time.
I wish you would elaborate, Saphra. This is what I'm looking for.
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I am human, and in the context of Mass Effect, a soldier of the human race (which is essentially what an Alliance marine is). Therefore, if I were in Shepard-Commander's shoes, I'd put my race ahead of all others, which in ME tends to make one a renegade. In fact, I had a ME 1 and 2 playthrough in which I roleplayed as per how I personally would behave if I was Shepard-Commander. That playthrough saw the rachni queen being killed (since we have no guarantees that she's not lying through her mandibles), all of the Feros colonists surviving (since Alliance soldiers are sworn to defend citizens at all times), no recruiting of Garrus or Wrex (we can't allow alien nationals access to Alliance equipment!), witholding of the geth data from Tali (she can go through channels) and the rescue of the Council (since saving the massive dreadnaught they're on is a tactically sound option).
By the end of it, I had more paragon than renegade points, but the playthrough felt quite empty overall.
By the end of it, I had more paragon than renegade points, but the playthrough felt quite empty overall.
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It is inherently that most Humans do NOT value other Human's lives, thus why it is ingrained in most people's minds that Renegade is a "cooler" choice.EternalAmbiguity wrote...
CROAT_56 wrote...
personaly in RL I was born in a country at war, my dad was a P.O.W. and the exp. has taught me much. I play mostly Paragon but have some Renegade actions. If I can finish a job with minimal KIA or colateral damage I will, this is prevelent during zaeed's loyalty mission, never sacrifice civilians that is a general rule for me, knowing the cost of non combatant deaths and how it can eat you from the inside out. I have a friend whose father served in the Croatian military during the Balkan war as a sniper. he refused to evan kill his enemy incapacitating there legs. on the renegade aspect I will almost always kill the girl that pulls a shotgun on me on Illium as any person would shoot at a person weilding a powerful weapon at them.
Life has taught me to be more compasionate I guess.
Same here. I value human life, especially innocents, highly.
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Well since i generally like to help people out, try to see the good in the world, and am an especially compassionate person at heart, i tend to align myself with that of a paragon shepard in the truest possible sense.
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We only sacrifice when it is necessary, not because it's "cool".Reptilian Rob wrote...
It is inherently that most Humans do NOT value other Human's lives, thus why it is ingrained in most people's minds that Renegade is a "cooler" choice.EternalAmbiguity wrote...
CROAT_56 wrote...
personaly in RL I was born in a country at war, my dad was a P.O.W. and the exp. has taught me much. I play mostly Paragon but have some Renegade actions. If I can finish a job with minimal KIA or colateral damage I will, this is prevelent during zaeed's loyalty mission, never sacrifice civilians that is a general rule for me, knowing the cost of non combatant deaths and how it can eat you from the inside out. I have a friend whose father served in the Croatian military during the Balkan war as a sniper. he refused to evan kill his enemy incapacitating there legs. on the renegade aspect I will almost always kill the girl that pulls a shotgun on me on Illium as any person would shoot at a person weilding a powerful weapon at them.
Life has taught me to be more compasionate I guess.
Same here. I value human life, especially innocents, highly.
Okay, okay, I'll admit I enjoyed watching the Destiny Ascension and Collector Base explode. But what is a space opera without some giant explosions at the end?
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Wait a minute; the Collector Base exploding wasn't renegade.Kaiser Shepard wrote...
We only sacrifice when it is necessary, not because it's "cool".Reptilian Rob wrote...
It is inherently that most Humans do NOT value other Human's lives, thus why it is ingrained in most people's minds that Renegade is a "cooler" choice.EternalAmbiguity wrote...
CROAT_56 wrote...
personaly in RL I was born in a country at war, my dad was a P.O.W. and the exp. has taught me much. I play mostly Paragon but have some Renegade actions. If I can finish a job with minimal KIA or colateral damage I will, this is prevelent during zaeed's loyalty mission, never sacrifice civilians that is a general rule for me, knowing the cost of non combatant deaths and how it can eat you from the inside out. I have a friend whose father served in the Croatian military during the Balkan war as a sniper. he refused to evan kill his enemy incapacitating there legs. on the renegade aspect I will almost always kill the girl that pulls a shotgun on me on Illium as any person would shoot at a person weilding a powerful weapon at them.
Life has taught me to be more compasionate I guess.
Same here. I value human life, especially innocents, highly.
Okay, okay, I'll admit I enjoyed watching the Destiny Ascension and Collector Base explode. But what is a space opera without some giant explosions at the end?
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Luc0s wrote...
Saphra Deden wrote...
My beliefs make the Renegade methodology in Mass Effect very appealing in most ways most of the time.
I'm curious what your beliefs are. Do you follow a specific religion or philosophy?
I'm an athiest and I'm a very cynical person.
I was once very idealistic, especially in my early teens. I suppose it was exponsure to the "real world" and my growing awareness of politics, current events, history, and the nature of humans/society that made me this way. Not to say that there weren't some personal revelations about family and kin that had an affect on me.
However, it wasn't just that. I wasn't "scarred" by anything. Some of what made me think the way I do was just chance. I happened to read something very compelling that rung very true to me. Largely philosophical stuff.
I don't know if I could put it all under one label, but...
Here's a lovely quote concering space and other species that I reallly love. Three, actually.
The Killing Star, courtesty of Atomic Rockets
When we put our heads together and tried to list everything we could
say with certainty about other civilizations, without having actually
met them, all that we knew boiled down to three simple laws of alien
behavior:
- THEIR SURVIVAL WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR SURVIVAL.
If an alien species has to choose between them and us, they won't
choose us. It is difficult to imagine a contrary case; species don't
survive by being self-sacrificing.
- WIMPS DON'T BECOME TOP DOGS.
No species makes it to the top by being passive. The species in
charge of any given planet will be highly intelligent, alert,
aggressive, and ruthless when necessary.- THEY WILL ASSUME THAT THE FIRST TWO LAWS APPLY TO US.
...
It's an entirely new situation, emerging from the physical
possibilities that will face any species that can overcome the natural
interstellar quarantine of its solar system. The choices seem
unforgiving, and the mind struggles to imagine circumstances under which
an interstellar species might make contact without triggering the
realization that it can't afford to be proven wrong in its fears.
Got that? We can't afford to wait to be proven wrong.
They won't come to get our resources or our knowledge or our women or
even because they're just mean and want power over us. They'll come to
destroy us to insure their survival, even if we're no apparent threat,
because species death is just too much to risk, however remote the
risk...
...
We ask that you try just one more thought experiment. Imagine
yourself taking a stroll through Manhattan, somewhere north of 68th
street, deep inside Central Park, late at night. It would be nice to
meet someone friendly, but you know that the park is dangerous at night.
That's when the monsters come out. There's always a strong undercurrent
of drug dealings, muggings, and occasional homicides.
It is not easy to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys. They
dress alike, and the weapons are concealed. The only difference is
intent, and you can't read minds.
Stay in the dark long enough and you may hear an occasional distance shriek or blunder across a body.
How do you survive the night? The last thing you want to do is shout,
"I'm here!" The next to last thing you want to do is reply to someone
who shouts, "I'm a friend!"
What you would like to do is find a policeman, or get out of the
park. But you don't want to make noise or move towards a light where you
might be spotted, and it is difficult to find either a policeman or
your way out without making yourself known. Your safest option is to
hunker down and wait for daylight, then safely walk out.
There are, of course, a few obvious differences between Central Park and the universe.
There is no policeman.
There is no way out.
And the night never ends.
Now I don't just agree with this because I like the way it sounds. The reason it sounds solid to me is because it matches up perfectly with the nature of our own species and with history and the interactions between cultures and civilizations. Beyond that, it synchs up perfectly with the natural world. So unless life on another planet evolves in a radically different way I think all of this will hold true.
I apply this to Mass Effect.
I only read this after having played ME a few times and it was after this that I started really diving into the Renegade side of things. Before that my character was much more Paragon.
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Reptilian Rob wrote...
It is inherently that most Humans do NOT value other Human's lives, thus why it is ingrained in most people's minds that Renegade is a "cooler" choice.EternalAmbiguity wrote...
CROAT_56 wrote...
personaly in RL I was born in a country at war, my dad was a P.O.W. and the exp. has taught me much. I play mostly Paragon but have some Renegade actions. If I can finish a job with minimal KIA or colateral damage I will, this is prevelent during zaeed's loyalty mission, never sacrifice civilians that is a general rule for me, knowing the cost of non combatant deaths and how it can eat you from the inside out. I have a friend whose father served in the Croatian military during the Balkan war as a sniper. he refused to evan kill his enemy incapacitating there legs. on the renegade aspect I will almost always kill the girl that pulls a shotgun on me on Illium as any person would shoot at a person weilding a powerful weapon at them.
Life has taught me to be more compasionate I guess.
Same here. I value human life, especially innocents, highly.
Unless those humans are part of your social unit, correct, IMO.
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^ Freudian slip by Kaiser! He was a Paragon in ME2.Kaiser Shepard wrote...
We only sacrifice when it is necessary, not because it's "cool".
Okay, okay, I'll admit I enjoyed watching the Destiny Ascension and Collector Base explode. But what is a space opera without some giant explosions at the end?
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I usually only do one play through of single player RPGs - so it usually reflects my real world morality.
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I never implied that I was better than anyone else, no one is better than anyone because we are pretty much all genetically similar. Thus we ALL suffer from the same inherent flaws.DiebytheSword wrote...
Reptilian Rob wrote...
It is inherently that most Humans do NOT value other Human's lives, thus why it is ingrained in most people's minds that Renegade is a "cooler" choice.EternalAmbiguity wrote...
CROAT_56 wrote...
personaly in RL I was born in a country at war, my dad was a P.O.W. and the exp. has taught me much. I play mostly Paragon but have some Renegade actions. If I can finish a job with minimal KIA or colateral damage I will, this is prevelent during zaeed's loyalty mission, never sacrifice civilians that is a general rule for me, knowing the cost of non combatant deaths and how it can eat you from the inside out. I have a friend whose father served in the Croatian military during the Balkan war as a sniper. he refused to evan kill his enemy incapacitating there legs. on the renegade aspect I will almost always kill the girl that pulls a shotgun on me on Illium as any person would shoot at a person weilding a powerful weapon at them.
Life has taught me to be more compasionate I guess.
Same here. I value human life, especially innocents, highly.
Unless those humans are part of your social unit, correct, IMO.
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And I don't have a social unit, I would rather be alone than deal with most Human beings. Being successful means not compromising yourself or your values, and I have made that a lucrative business.
"It is that solitude which is painful in youth, that is delicious in the years of maturity." Einstein
"It is that solitude which is painful in youth, that is delicious in the years of maturity." Einstein
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Speak for yourself; I'm better than everyone else.Reptilian Rob wrote...
I never implied that I was better than anyone else, no one is better than anyone because we are pretty much all genetically similar. Thus we ALL suffer from the same inherent flaws.
*waits for Saphra to come make the same comment, only seriously*
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I never pretended to have done anything else on my first playthrough?EternalAmbiguity wrote...
^ Freudian slip by Kaiser! He was a Paragon in ME2.Kaiser Shepard wrote...
We only sacrifice when it is necessary, not because it's "cool".
Okay, okay, I'll admit I enjoyed watching the Destiny Ascension and Collector Base explode. But what is a space opera without some giant explosions at the end?
No, I'm Spartacus!Shub-Niggurath64 wrote...
Speak for yourself; I'm better than everyone else.Reptilian Rob wrote...
I never implied that I was better than anyone else, no one is better than anyone because we are pretty much all genetically similar. Thus we ALL suffer from the same inherent flaws.
*waits for Saphra to come make the same comment, only seriously*
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It'd be amusing to play a Shep who approaches every situation by thinking "What is most likely to result in sh*t blowing up here?"
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Reptilian Rob wrote...
I never implied that I was better than anyone else, no one is better than anyone because we are pretty much all genetically similar. Thus we ALL suffer from the same inherent flaws.DiebytheSword wrote...
Reptilian Rob wrote...
It is inherently that most Humans do NOT value other Human's lives, thus why it is ingrained in most people's minds that Renegade is a "cooler" choice.EternalAmbiguity wrote...
CROAT_56 wrote...
personaly in RL I was born in a country at war, my dad was a P.O.W. and the exp. has taught me much. I play mostly Paragon but have some Renegade actions. If I can finish a job with minimal KIA or colateral damage I will, this is prevelent during zaeed's loyalty mission, never sacrifice civilians that is a general rule for me, knowing the cost of non combatant deaths and how it can eat you from the inside out. I have a friend whose father served in the Croatian military during the Balkan war as a sniper. he refused to evan kill his enemy incapacitating there legs. on the renegade aspect I will almost always kill the girl that pulls a shotgun on me on Illium as any person would shoot at a person weilding a powerful weapon at them.
Life has taught me to be more compasionate I guess.
Same here. I value human life, especially innocents, highly.
Unless those humans are part of your social unit, correct, IMO.
I don't believe I implied that you did. I only say that humans in general will not value another's life unless they count that life as part of their social group.
I also agree that perfection is laughably unatainable by any one human.
