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[Dave of Canada]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Just trying to push the fact that the people complaining about the script are also the ones who would likely let a little favoritism (which I'm sure exists) for paragons and portraying TIM as less than perfect a cartoon villain upset them and sour their opinion of the entire story.

We got the memo, thanks.

Also fixed.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 11 janvier 2012 - 02:49 .

[naledgeborn]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

No matter what happens I hope he gets plenty of appearances and dialogues in ME3.
No one else can make laugh like he does. <3 Well, except Councilor Velarn perhaps.

I agree. He's a very underrated character. But of course on the BSN and in general anyone who crosses the player character sucks. 

[naledgeborn]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Just trying to push the fact that the people complaining about the script are also the ones who would likely let a little favoritism (which I'm sure exists) for paragons and portraying TIM as less than perfect upset them and sour their opinion of the entire story.

Predominately paragon paragade here and I hate the script for making TIM into a cartoon villain. It belittles the character, Martin Sheen's talent, and the writers themselves.

You want to be an infallible paladin go play Kingdom Hearts.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 11 janvier 2012 - 02:55 .

[HiroVoid]

I really disliked how they just turned Udina into a joke character in ME2. It would have been nice if he at least tried to push for more human dominance using the reapers as a reason for human leadership as a substitute for the previous council dying like it was implied at the end of ME1.

[Blacklash93]

TIM was always out for his own interests. He may go on about how much he wants humanity to succeed, but he'd absolutely use anyone and do anything to achieve that for himself.

Him saying "Cerberus is Humanity!" in ME2 pretty much summed up how jaded he is.

[naledgeborn]

Blacklash93 wrote...

TIM was always out for his own interests. He may go on about how much he wants humanity to succeed, but he'd absolutely use anyone and do anything to achieve that for himself.

Him saying "Cerberus is Humanity!" in ME2 pretty much summed up how jaded he is.

From your point of view. From someone else's he could have been a man who sacrificed his own humanity to ensure that his species survives.

But nope. Instead those people get "I shaved my curly mustache when you weren't looking" TIM.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 11 janvier 2012 - 03:07 .

[Labrev]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

I really disliked how they just turned Udina into a joke character in ME2. It would have been nice if he at least tried to push for more human dominance using the reapers as a reason for human leadership as a substitute for the previous council dying like it was implied at the end of ME1.

I found him a joke character in ME1, tbh. Some of his dialogue (often accompanied by ridiculous hand gestures) just cracks me up every time.

Co-sign. In fact, more so than ME2.

I start laughing when he walks into the room.

[Blacklash93]

naledgeborn wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

TIM was always out for his own interests. He may go on about how much he wants humanity to succeed, but he'd absolutely use anyone and do anything to achieve that for himself.

Him saying "Cerberus is Humanity!" in ME2 pretty much summed up how jaded he is.

From your point of view. From someone else's he could have been a man who sacrificed his own humanity to ensure that his species survives.

Humanity would have most certainly survived without Cerberus' insane experiments and methods. The only good thing they've ever done is bring Shepard back to life and get him to the Collectors.

Other than that Cerberus has not achieved anything even remotely beneficial to humanity except for giving a small group of people biotics, but even that is relatively insignificant and the methods used to create such individuals were monstrous. And that's not even getting into what Cerberus did to some of those biotic kids.

[HiroVoid]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...
I really disliked how they just turned Udina into a joke character in ME2. It would have been nice if he at least tried to push for more human dominance using the reapers as a reason for human leadership as a substitute for the previous council dying like it was implied at the end of ME1.

I found him a joke character in ME1, tbh. Some of his dialogue (often accompanied by ridiculous hand gestures) just cracks me up every time.

XD  While I'll definitely admit he has plent of joke moments in ME1, it still implied he wasn't incompetent as far as getting things done from getting Shepard into a spectre position and getting to his position in the first place.  I have a problem in general about ME2 pretty much ignoring the ME1 endings though.  It's honestly the moment where it really shows they didn't have the trilogy planned out.  We are, however getting TIM joke moments now.  Don't we have his evil pyramid hand pose from one of the latest comics?

[Icinix]

As always, Udina will have humanities back.

He may be a knob in a suit.

But he puts humanities wants and needs right out there and fights for it in the political arena.

[Jog0907]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

I really disliked how they just turned Udina into a joke character in ME2. It would have been nice if he at least tried to push for more human dominance using the reapers as a reason for human leadership as a substitute for the previous council dying like it was implied at the end of ME1.

I found him a joke character in ME1, tbh. Some of his dialogue (often accompanied by ridiculous hand gestures) just cracks me up every time.

agreed he was always a joke to me, even more after supporting the councils idiotic plan of defense against Saren attack.

[naledgeborn]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Humanity would have most certainly survived without Cerberus' insane experiments and methods. The only good thing they've ever done is bring Shepard back to life and get him to the Collectors.

Other than that Cerberus has not achieved anything even remotely beneficial to humanity except for giving a small group of people biotics, but even that is relatively insignificant and the methods used to create such individuals were monstrous. And that's not even getting into what Cerberus did to some of those biotic kids.

Do you live in the Mass Effect universe? Are you a Cerberus intelligence analyst? 

I'm assuming the answer is NO. So it's not a leap of logic to say that you and I are not privy to all Cerberus operations that's been going down from 2157 to 2186. More often than not all Alliance Standard issue went through a Cerberus prototype trial period. Every unreported success has made it's way into the Systems Alliance Navy and made it what it is (the 2nd-4th largest). They've done wetwork against humans who advocated isolationism as well as xenophopbic aliens who threatened human expansion. Don't assume you know everything about a 30 year old fictional paramilitary intelligence agency because of the point of view of one character and a handful of dialogue.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 11 janvier 2012 - 03:27 .

[Blacklash93]

Do you enjoy hanging around with those strawmen?

[Shifty Assassin]

I dont think so. I can easily see him as a reapers b!@#$

[Boomer-Australia]

Udina has always had Shepard's back but he doesn't see the universe as Shepard does and he doesn't like how Shepard depicts it

That's just my opinion

[MisterJB]

mauro2222 wrote...

"Humanity has made great gains thanks to you, but now, you're becoming more trouble than you're worth"

"The council can handle this, with my help of course"

He's just an ass-licking idiot, who just cares about himself or the so called "humanity".
The only reason about his concern over a war with the Terminus is because he doesn't gain anything from it.

No one denies that Udina has an ego the size of Earth however, why is that a reason to hate him? There are numerous reports of Udina doing a very good job representing humanity's interests on the Council and that is what really matters in the end.
Udina may be an egotistical douchebag(AKA a politician) but he does good work for our species and he deserves a respectful role in ME3.

Modifié par MisterJB, 11 janvier 2012 - 04:42 .

[Dean_the_Young]

MisterJB wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

"Humanity has made great gains thanks to you, but now, you're becoming more trouble than you're worth"

"The council can handle this, with my help of course"

He's just an ass-licking idiot, who just cares about himself or the so called "humanity".
The only reason about his concern over a war with the Terminus is because he doesn't gain anything from it.

No one denies that Udina has an ego the size of Earth however, why is that a reason to hate him? There are numerous reports of Udina doing a very good job representing humanity's interests on the Council and that is what really matters in the end.
Udina may be an egotistical douchebag(AKA a politician) but he does good work for our species and he deserves a respectful role in ME3.

Bah. Mass Effect has always been a love letter to military authoritarianism, and dismissive of civilian governance.

[BellaStrega]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Bah. Mass Effect has always been a love letter to military authoritarianism, and dismissive of civilian governance.

I was thinking much the same thing. The kind of SF Mass Effect is, civilian authorities are always incompetent and corrupt, and only the military can get anything done.

[OmegaBlue0231]

Before I read the spoilers (and boy there's some great stuff in there, and some butt-**** retarded stuff too) I had made up my mind that he would, he's a good guy even if he's less likeable than the Illusive Man. Don't worry I won't say if he does or not.

If you want to know go to my profile and look at the groups I'm in, it should be pretty clear which one to go to.

[Confused-Shepard]

Udina is basically the human version of Joram Talid. A good intentions politician using underhanded almost criminal means to get the job done. The only reason I chose Udina as the human Councillor because he would fit right in with the regular Larry, Curly and Moe Council we have now.

[Exia001]

Icinix wrote...

As always, Udina will have humanities back.

He may be a knob in a suit.

But he puts humanities wants and needs right out there and fights for it in the political arena.

I'll hold you to that, I for one hope I get to put a bullet in his skull, along with TIM

[chaosomegas]

Dave of Canada wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

War is business, nothing more. He doesn't gain anything, he doesn't support it.

So you mean if he supported the war, he'd totally support Shepard's insane rantings? He'd sit there and tell the Council that Shepard is right, there ARE evil space cthulhu machine monsters in space and they did eliminate all the protheans and if you don't let him go after Saren immediately that everybody would die?

yes shepard was so wrong in me1 lol because butt covering moves shepard now has do everytime themselves ie raise a army and save galaxy with reapers at the door. they warn council in me1 and shepard was right. council has been do nothing for 3 years if they do not listen to shepard now we can kiss galaxy goodbye