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DA Devs Say They're Learning From Skyrim, but What About The Witcher 2?


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EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I have to say, people hailing The Witcher Two as the greatest RPG ever gets old.

Presuming you mean never yeah it does actually, 1 reason why I refuse to play it.

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Morroian wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I have to say, people hailing The Witcher Two as the greatest RPG ever gets old.

Presuming you mean never yeah it does actually, 1 reason why I refuse to play it.


I must confess I have no idea what you're saying here. Never what, exactly?

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NEVER gets old

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People hailing it as the greatest RPG ever never gets old, so that's why you refuse to play it? I'm confused.

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I think that Fallout: New Vegas is the best RPG ever. Why aren't they making it more like Fallout: New Vegas?

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What About the "Witcher two" trollface.jpg

And guys why arn't they making it like "Insert rpg" I mean thats obviously the best.

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I think that Street Fighter is the best game with punching ever, why can't Shep learn the Shoryuken for heavy melee?

I think Gran Turismo is the best driving series out there, why can't I customize my Mako more.

I think . . . you get the point.

These kind of comments are silly, they seriously ask our entertainment to be more of the same instead of unique experiences.

If I want to play the Witcher, I'll play that. If I want to play Skyrim I'll play that. Its not bad to copy a good idea now and again, but people honestly sound like they want one game to be more like another game because moar! Unless you are speaking from the soapbox of a fanboy, in which case your argument kind of makes sense because you are hoplessly wishing that other unique experiences be more like the one you had elsewhere.

No, no you can't have moar. You experienced it once, move on or wait for a sequel.

Variety is the spice of life, so stop eating at one fast food joint and claiming you have an educated palate.

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Morroian wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I have to say, people hailing The Witcher Two as the greatest RPG ever gets old.

Presuming you mean never yeah it does actually, 1 reason why I refuse to play it.


So you refuse to play it just because other people like it so much? I'd be curious to see for myself what all the fuss is about. Would be a dumb reason to miss out on what could be a really great game.

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EternalAmbiguity wrote...

People hailing it as the greatest RPG ever never gets old, so that's why you refuse to play it? I'm confused.

Since before DA2 was released TW2 fans have been trolling this forum (I'm not saying this is troll thread though). Its my small protest against that. Plus I played TW1 and didn't like it so I have no particular impetus to play it.

Modifié par Morroian, 12 janvier 2012 - 12:08 .


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Morroian wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

People hailing it as the greatest RPG ever never gets old, so that's why you refuse to play it? I'm confused.

Since before DA2 was released TW2 fans have been trolling this forum (I'm not saying this is troll thread though). Its my small protest against that. Plus I played TW1 and didn't like it so I have no particular impetus to play it.


You're missing out because of bias with no foundation.  The play is entirely different than TW 1, especially using a 360 controller.  Give TW 2 a chance.  I've a feeling you'll be glad you did.

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If I wanted Dragon Age to be like Skyrim, I would play Skyrim.
If I wanted Dragon Age to be like The Witcher 2, I would play The Witcher 2.

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BubbleDncr wrote...

If I wanted Dragon Age to be like Skyrim, I would play Skyrim.
If I wanted Dragon Age to be like The Witcher 2, I would play The Witcher 2.

That is true, but don't you think that every game has a unique "feel" to it? There are adjustments to make in any given game, and it does not give any other game perfect. (Sorry, I just read your comment, so if there is anything I missed in the discussion I apologize ;) )

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EymerichPL wrote...

BubbleDncr wrote...

If I wanted Dragon Age to be like Skyrim, I would play Skyrim.
If I wanted Dragon Age to be like The Witcher 2, I would play The Witcher 2.

That is true, but don't you think that every game has a unique "feel" to it? There are adjustments to make in any given game, and it does not give any other game perfect. (Sorry, I just read your comment, so if there is anything I missed in the discussion I apologize ;) )


You're right, there are aspects about The Witcher 2 (graphics, lets say), that Bioware could say they want Dragon Age to be on par with, and that doesn't bother me. But to me, the standout features from TW2 are (IMO) being overly complicated and having graphic sex scenes, and the standout feature of Skyrim is being open world. If I wanted those things, I would play those games. But I don't, so I play Dragon Age instead.

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But... the Witcher 2 has your PC (a man) sleeping with women... and you can't do the opposite! Wouldn't saying that they're looking at the Witcher 2 aggressively anger the uber-feminists that sometimes lurk and post here?

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As much as I love TW2 and Skyrim, I have to say:

The devs don't need to look to other franchises for how to make a good next installment for the Dragon Age series.

They already have a good game called 'Dragon Age Origins'.

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Gunderic wrote...

But... the Witcher 2 has your PC (a man) sleeping with women... and you can't do the opposite! Wouldn't saying that they're looking at the Witcher 2 aggressively anger the uber-feminists that sometimes lurk and post here?

Yes, because wanting to play as their own gender makes them uber-feminists. <_<

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Zkyire wrote...

As much as I love TW2 and Skyrim, I have to say:

The devs don't need to look to other franchises for how to make a good next installment for the Dragon Age series.

They already have a good game called 'Dragon Age Origins'.



THIS.

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TW2 has sold like 300k units, Skyrim has sold 10million+

Don't get your hopes up.

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Gunderic wrote...

But... the Witcher 2 has your PC (a man) sleeping with women... and you can't do the opposite! Wouldn't saying that they're looking at the Witcher 2 aggressively anger the uber-feminists that sometimes lurk and post here?


Those pesky uber feminists and their desire for equal and fair representation in popular media. Where will their madness end?

On a less snarky note - we look to all games for inspiration. However, it's not a matter of saying 'Holy crap, Skyrim sold how many copies? We have to DO WHAT THEY DID.' Our approach and Bethesda's approach certainly overlap in some areas, but our focus and their focus are different. Instead, we'll play a game and look at what it did well, then figure out why that particular feature or aspect of the game was so positively received.

A lot of game design is understanding how people think. And if you can understand why a particular feature is looked at so positively, you can work backwards and apply those lessons to your own games. Not always successfully, of course, but that's the general idea.

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Forget it, i don't feel like getting banned.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 12 janvier 2012 - 06:40 .


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Gunderic wrote...

But... the Witcher 2 has your PC (a man) sleeping with women... and you can't do the opposite! Wouldn't saying that they're looking at the Witcher 2 aggressively anger the uber-feminists that sometimes lurk and post here?


LOL - are you more mad about games that have men sleeping with other men, or about women playing video games? I really can't tell! 

I'm gay, and I'm a woman... I guess I'm an "uber feminist", huh? lmao @ straight men.

JohnEpler wrote...

Those pesky uber feminists and their desire for equal and fair representation in popular media. Where will their madness end?


I salute you, on behalf of the Uber Feminist Agenda Propaganda Distribution in Video Games Coalition! :D

Modifié par Masako52, 12 janvier 2012 - 06:41 .


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JohnEpler wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

But... the Witcher 2 has your PC (a man) sleeping with women... and you can't do the opposite! Wouldn't saying that they're looking at the Witcher 2 aggressively anger the uber-feminists that sometimes lurk and post here?


Those pesky uber feminists and their desire for equal and fair representation in popular media. Where will their madness end?


Removed.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 12 janvier 2012 - 06:55 .


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JohnEpler wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

But... the Witcher 2 has your PC (a man) sleeping with women... and you can't do the opposite! Wouldn't saying that they're looking at the Witcher 2 aggressively anger the uber-feminists that sometimes lurk and post here?


Those pesky uber feminists and their desire for equal and fair representation in popular media. Where will their madness end?

On a less snarky note - we look to all games for inspiration. However, it's not a matter of saying 'Holy crap, Skyrim sold how many copies? We have to DO WHAT THEY DID.' Our approach and Bethesda's approach certainly overlap in some areas, but our focus and their focus are different. Instead, we'll play a game and look at what it did well, then figure out why that particular feature or aspect of the game was so positively received.

A lot of game design is understanding how people think. And if you can understand why a particular feature is looked at so positively, you can work backwards and apply those lessons to your own games. Not always successfully, of course, but that's the general idea.


What I think a lot of people misunderstand (including me) is to why are you looking at sources of inspiration? Bioware have been making the best games since Baldur's gate, all you have to do is look at yourselves.

But granted, I'm not part of the group that ignorantly thinks that by looking at Skyrim your going to make an open world RPG, that's just ludicrous. Nor do I understand the major principles of game design. But by your example, it's a clear conclusion no? When people have been screaming 'more DA:O' 'more BG' 'more...etc...' it's clear that what they want is more of you guys and gals at Bioware. Though I'm guessing your understand that :-) and you certainly are. There is no harm in looking at other games because the Bioware formula could use a Beth touch (NPCs that react to you for example.)

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Gibb_Shepard wrote...

I don't think your approaches overlap at all, as the games are so ridiculously different they may aswell be different genres.

I suggest you look at that pesky TW2 that doesn't represent equal rights for everyone. Sure it's realistic in it's representation of Medieval equality, but please don't let that deter you. I'm sure you guys can find someway to incorporate every little population niche out there while still being inspired by it.


And that's the prerogative of The Witcher 2. They've chosen to go for a realistic view of gender politics in that particular period in history, and I certainly don't think it's any less valid of an approach - for many, this somewhat more 'real world' approach has a lot of appeal. And I'm glad! The more variety out there, the more likely that everyone will find something to their taste.

However, that particular goal has never been something we've ever shown much interest in, so it seems rather silly to chide us for not succeeding at something we've never made any suggestion that we were attempting, doesn't it? It's been rather clear since the beginning that inclusivity regardless of gender or sexual orientation is significantly higher on our list of priorities than accurately simulating medieval Europe.

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JohnEpler wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

I don't think your approaches overlap at all, as the games are so ridiculously different they may aswell be different genres.

I suggest you look at that pesky TW2 that doesn't represent equal rights for everyone. Sure it's realistic in it's representation of Medieval equality, but please don't let that deter you. I'm sure you guys can find someway to incorporate every little population niche out there while still being inspired by it.


And that's the prerogative of The Witcher 2. They've chosen to go for a realistic view of gender politics in that particular period in history, and I certainly don't think it's any less valid of an approach - for many, this somewhat more 'real world' approach has a lot of appeal. And I'm glad! The more variety out there, the more likely that everyone will find something to their taste.

However, that particular goal has never been something we've ever shown much interest in, so it seems rather silly to chide us for not succeeding at something we've never made any suggestion that we were attempting, doesn't it? It's been rather clear since the beginning that inclusivity regardless of gender or sexual orientation is significantly higher on our list of priorities than accurately simulating medieval Europe.


You were too fast. I tried to delete the post as soon as possible. I apologize for the snark in the post, it wasn't necessary. Nevertheless, thanks for the level headed reply.