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Soldier the best class? Or just too easy to play well for too little effort?


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In ME2: Soldier has the most firepower, strongest weapons, and is tough to kill. No reason to pick a biotic class, you have two squad members to do it for you, plus the AI is utterly and hoplessly terrible when it comes to shooting and close range combat in general so they should be kept back to support from a good safe distance.

I hope that ME3 is better balanced with smarter squads.

EDIT: Been thinking about what people are saying, and perhaps the soldier is
the best partly because he is by far the easist class to learn. Why is
that?

Well, I think that it is in part due to the slow motion
ability making the action slow to a crawl, but I think that the soldier
is basically a powerless class with better weapns. He has no real class
hook so to speak of, and basically he's just there as the easy mode
class and nothing else. Pretty much all of his light weapons are hit
scan (that is you shoot directly at who you want dead and they die), but
what if he had a set of light weapons which were more projectile based
like the heavy weapons are? If the soldier gets the best weapons then
it's only fair that the player would have to learn a more advanced form
of aiming than hitscan. And that is what projectile weapons are. Keep in
mind that these examples are just theory to get some discussion going,
and aren't supposed to be my idea of "good" gameplay balance

Suppose
that Shepard, instead of having a machine gun was given a medium range
rapid fire projectile based plasma rifle? Would travel at fairly high
velocity (something like the one from Halo CE) and a small firing come
would make it effective at a good distance.

A grenade launcher
with small clip of 2 at a time, low ammo capacity and low rate of fire
so it can't be spammed. Can make it arc too, so that if the player is
good at predicting trajectories that they can hit enemies behind cover,
and the grenade would detonate if it hits the enemy or after the timed
fuse runs out.

And I suppose that one hitscan weapon like a shotgun for close range would be fine too.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 11 janvier 2012 - 03:34 .


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"class X is the bestest" discussions are about as interesting as platform wars. Which is to say, not at all.

Modifié par didymos1120, 10 janvier 2012 - 01:14 .


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Get a life, join the navy...learn to say "Hello Sailor" (courtesy Frobozz Magic Boat Company)

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This was just another example of you hiding your troll hate for ME3 behind 'debate'

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Maybe the Soldier is your favorite class, but it's the most boring class in my book.

I play games to have fun first, I don't really care who or what is the the most efficient killing device. I actually like the ME2 Adept and Engineer best; disabling, distracting, sabotaging, controlling, hacking, throwing, and blowing up enemies is 100x more fun than spamming bullet-time indefinitely.

Just my 2 cents.

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Soldier may be the most efficient but vanguard is the most fun

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didymos1120 wrote...

"class X is the bestest" discussions are about as interesting as platform wars. Which is to say, not at all.


That would suggest you don't care to talk about gameplay, which is kind of a key ingredient of gaming. Hint is in the name. So if I assume correctly that would mean your taste for gaming is limited in scope to story games, and that gaming purely for gameplay doesn't interest you? If that's the case might I recommend a good movie, since Mass Effect has little else for someone like you.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 10 janvier 2012 - 01:26 .


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Exia001 wrote...

This was just another example of you hiding your troll hate for ME3 behind 'debate'


I'm not a troll, it says so in my signature, learn to read.

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The "BEST" class is the class that YOU enjoy playing. Everything else is just unsubstantiated opinion. :P

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tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

This was just another example of you hiding your troll hate for ME3 behind 'debate'


I'm not a troll, it says so in my signature, learn to read.


I could tell everyone on BSN im a unicorn who vomits ink, it doesn't make it true

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DJRackham wrote...

The "BEST" class is the class that YOU enjoy playing. Everything else is just unsubstantiated opinion. :P


Submachine guns are better for sniping than rifles. Everything else if just unsubstantiated opinion.

Do you see how stupid that looks?

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Shepard the Leper wrote...

Maybe the Soldier is your favorite class, but it's the most boring class in my book.

Just my 2 cents.


Same here (though I find Sentenal a bit more boring).

Adept and engineer are my favorites.

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tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

This was just another example of you hiding your troll hate for ME3 behind 'debate'


I'm not a troll, it says so in my signature, learn to read.


And Richard Nixon said that he wasn't a crook. Was he? He was a politician. Of course he was a crook! :police:

Modifié par DJRackham, 10 janvier 2012 - 01:31 .


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Exia001 wrote...

This was just another example of you hiding your troll hate for ME3 behind 'debate'

This is exactly what it appears to be.

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Exia001 wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

This was just another example of you hiding your troll hate for ME3 behind 'debate'


I'm not a troll, it says so in my signature, learn to read.


I could tell everyone on BSN im a unicorn who vomits ink, it doesn't make it true


This discussion about balance, why are you even here if you've got nothing to contribute? You know you're spamming and that spamming is against the rules?

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 10 janvier 2012 - 01:31 .


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tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

This was just another example of you hiding your troll hate for ME3 behind 'debate'


I'm not a troll, it says so in my signature, learn to read.

 


so would  you trust a lair if he told he was  not a lair?   


Joking aside, 

Right  I know,  we don't know if solider is still the best class or  not.  Still have to see  how the powers balance out  and everything falls into place onces people start making their builds.    I personal prefer  Vanguard I want to see how being about roll adds to the class  as far mobility. 

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tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

DJRackham wrote...

The "BEST" class is the class that YOU enjoy playing. Everything else is just unsubstantiated opinion. :P


Submachine guns are better for sniping than rifles. Everything else if just unsubstantiated opinion.

Do you see how stupid that looks?

Of course obviously false info is stupid. Your comparison fails.

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When was Soldier class the best one?


It is the most played one for sure, but not the favorite one if you don't count people who didn't played at least 2 out of 6 classes.

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jreezy wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

DJRackham wrote...

The "BEST" class is the class that YOU enjoy playing. Everything else is just unsubstantiated opinion. :P


Submachine guns are better for sniping than rifles. Everything else if just unsubstantiated opinion.

Do you see how stupid that looks?

Of course obviously false info is stupid. Your comparison fails.


There are trolls here, and it sure as hell isn't me. Stop derailing.

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tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

In ME2: Soldier has the most firepower, strongest weapons, and is tough to kill. No reason to pick a biotic class, you have two squad members to do it for you, plus the AI is utterly and hoplessly terrible when it comes to shooting and close range combat in general so they should be kept back to support from a good safe distance.

I hope that ME3 is better balanced with smarter squads.


so?   What about playing with a weaker, less agressive skill set?  Might demand a different style of play, more tactical skill and moves,  better planning, anticipation, less run&gun?   Some folks enjoy one-handed whupass...

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Subjective opinion is subjective.

I can say that the Engineer class is the best because it doesn't rely on ammo, but that doesn't make it true.

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tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

There are trolls here

You?

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so?   What about playing with a weaker, less agressive skill set?  Might demand a different style of play, more tactical skill and moves,  better planning, anticipation, less run&gun?   Some folks enjoy one-handed whupass...


Totally. I like to control the battlefield rather than just clear it as fast as possible. Engineer is a master at that. Soldier, not so much.

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I prefer Vanguard then Soldier class but I would not say it is the best class in ME.(Charging bad guys then blasting them with a Shotgun... GOOD TIMES!).

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Thanks to slow cooldown timers, ME2 was only fun to play as soldier. I'm not gonna mention the utterly useless classes found in the game as well, we all know em by now.

Modifié par BounceDK, 10 janvier 2012 - 01:41 .