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[CyberDirectorFreedom]

You can shoot people in the face in these games. Their head kinda pops and blood sprays out of it. There's smear on the wall behind them. In Mass Effect 1 you nuke a planet. In Mass Effect 2, possibly hundreds of thousands of people are kidnapped and killed. That's a lot worse than a little swearing, wouldn't everyone agree?

[felipejiraya]

I curse like a dirty pirate so I don't have problem with profanity on my games. lol

[spirosz]

[Hedera]

Just because YOU don't personally like swearing doesn't mean BioWare is obligated to give you the option to disable it. Sure, more options are nice, but they don't have to. Aria's infamous '#$%^ with' line is just an aspect of her character. Priestly already commented and gave us what we know, so debating it further is essentially useless. And as far as swearing in the workplace, that depends where you work. Sure, an office environment might have a problem with language, but I have worked in jobs where every fifth word starts with F and ends three letters later. Removing swearing from a game may make it 'classier' and speak to the writers' ability to write around profanity, but real life has profanity. For realism's sake, profanity has a place in ME3.

[spirosz]

cgrimm54 wrote...

Just because YOU don't personally like swearing doesn't mean BioWare is obligated to give you the option to disable it. Sure, more options are nice, but they don't have to. Aria's infamous '#$%^ with' line is just an aspect of her character. Priestly already commented and gave us what we know, so debating it further is essentially useless. And as far as swearing in the workplace, that depends where you work. Sure, an office environment might have a problem with language, but I have worked in jobs where every fifth word starts with F and ends three letters later. Removing swearing from a game may make it 'classier' and speak to the writers' ability to write around profanity, but real life has profanity. For realism's sake, profanity has a place in ME3.

Great post!

[Elhanan]

Chris Priestly wrote...

From what I have played through so far, I would say it is roughly on par with Mass Effect 2. As mentioned, this is a mature rated title and the story takes place in some trying circumstances that, depending on the characters present, may cause the utterances of profanity.

Swearing and profanity has not been added just to make the title seem more adult or to appeal to people who like profanity, but there are characters who use profanity as it fits their personalities. I think this mirrors the real world and, whiel I personally try to limit my use of swearing, I do feel it is correct for the characters involved.

Thanks CP; what I needed to know.

I was a member of the military, and am aware that profanity was a Common way to speak. I personally had to rehab my own speech after Basic and Advanced Training, as it had slipped into my own vocabulary.  And as a person that worked in the hospitality industry for several years, I am aware that it is a growing concern heard in the Common areas.

Thing is, I do not wish to be satisfied with Common; wish for a superior and more perfect way of expression, and in this case, a better product.

Using ME2 as par, as Shepard I coulld endure the occasional slip of the lip from some subordinates and my fellows. And as the Player, I could endure it as a rare interjection from Shepard himself.
 
However, if I knew ahead of time what I was getting, Jack would have remained in the freezer, or locked below decks for the remaining mission. As is, she was utilized soley as was needed to finish the game. And with that done, ME2 was omly played a single time, for I play for entertainment; not for achievements in endurance.

My decision to cancel my ME3 preorder was also based upon much of this, though I also hated running about in most areas to gather dropped clips. Not only did it make little sense to look for expended cells from the enemy, but it ruined any sense of urgency when foraging for ammo became a primary concern in the missions.

I used the funds towards another game, and have been waiting to see what would unfold for ME3. I also am a fan of the story, but dislike the manner chosen in which it is being told. As it appears we shall see the same characters, and still must endure the same gameplay and language from them, I will pass on the game until I can read further reviews.

Modifié par Elhanan, 10 janvier 2012 - 11:05 .

[Lunatic LK47]

kaymarierose wrote...

I actually like the profanity in game. It makes it more realistic to me. The game is rated for (M)18+, why should it not have profanity in it?

QFT, not to mention it is a ****ing war situation. Watch any combat blogs online.

[Elhanan]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

kaymarierose wrote...

I actually like the profanity in game. It makes it more realistic to me. The game is rated for (M)18+, why should it not have profanity in it?

QFT, not to mention it is a ****ing war situation. Watch any combat blogs online.

See what happens when you speak like this to a superior or Drill Instructor; not acceptable as a rule.

[Lunatic LK47]

Phaedon wrote...

Just imagine that they shout 'duck' instead of 'f*ck'. It is quite entertaining.

'Why the DUCK aren't you wearing pants, nephew?'

'DUCK you and all you stand for, Illusive Goose!'

'I will kick your DUCKING tailfeathers where the sun doesn't shine!'

You'll have a great time with Spider-Man:Edge of Time. 2099 Spider-Man uses Shock as an explitive.

[AgitatedLemon]

Elhanan wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

kaymarierose wrote...

I actually like the profanity in game. It makes it more realistic to me. The game is rated for (M)18+, why should it not have profanity in it?

QFT, not to mention it is a ****ing war situation. Watch any combat blogs online.

See what happens when you speak like this to a superior or Drill Instructor; not acceptable as a rule.

When you're talking to a SO or drill instructor, 9/10 it's not in a combat scenario.

[Elhanan]

Kawamura wrote...

 I never understood why cursing is supposed to mean you have a smaller vocabulary or are somehow less intelligent. Is it because it's a "they're not part of my tribe (the noncurses) and we are better" sort of thing?

Expletives appear to be good for pain tolerance (more for people who don't swear a blue streak regularly) and cursing's something we all do, we do early, and we do for stress relief. 

My favourite part of ME2 was when Joker was left on the ship. That constant string of swearing? That's exactly what I would sound like. When the ship was attacked, the first thing out of my mouth wasn't "oh, look at that". It's not an intelligence thing. It's not a vocabulary thing. If you're offended by it, that's fine, but don't go around saying "hey, you guys need to learn more words".

I curse up a blue streak and I'm pretty certain that I'm fairly intelligent. It's not just idiots that are fond of cursing.

Perhaps not, but pls be aware that it is difficult to tell the difference in a passing relationship.

[AlanC9]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

So am I. I don't have personal experience of course, I've never been on a battlefield and do not intent to change that, but I can only tell what my father (fighter pilot) told me about the training: "Time spent swearing is time and effort wasted"

Hmm... maybe fighter pilots are different? Wouldn't know; never met one.

But as for the way ground troops talk, watch a *******ing documentary. PBS has run several. These guys curse all the ********ing time. I mean, the ***s and ******s are going off so ****ing much that a film I saw that was being bleeped sounded like one ******ing continuous bleep. The films that weren't bleeped would probably make your ears bleed.

But from what I've seen there isn't too much cursing in actual combat, so you're right about that much.

[Elhanan]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

When you're talking to a SO or drill instructor, 9/10 it's not in a combat scenario.

I admit that I have no combat time on my record, as I served during peacetime.

But I am fairly certain that if this was used to address someone during a time of war outside of battle (ie; most of the time) that someone would likely have something else in their records to indicate such chosen poor behaviour.

[LetsGoToMyHouse]

I dont mind profanity in games just aslong as its used in a realistic manner that suits the character's personality. For example, Id be a bit annoyed if someone like Liara started cursing up profanity storms.

However, while Im home for break, I havent dared to play Saints Row 3 because even in combat the main character throws around the F word like they are totsie rolls at a parade. That kind of profanity useage is annoying

[AgitatedLemon]

Elhanan wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

When you're talking to a SO or drill instructor, 9/10 it's not in a combat scenario.

I admit that I have no combat time on my record, as I served during peacetime.

But I am fairly certain that if this was used to address someone during a time of war outside of battle (ie; most of the time) that someone would likely have something else in their records to indicate such chosen poor behaviour.

Well, to be fair...

Doing this would be dumb.

[AlanC9]

Elhanan wrote...
I was a member of the military, and am aware that profanity was a Common way to speak. I personally had to rehab my own speech after Basic and Advanced Training, as it had slipped into my own vocabulary.  And as a person that worked in the hospitality industry for several years, I am aware that it is a growing concern heard in the Common areas.

Elhanan, how come you're capitalizing "Common" there? Someone looking for a "superior and more perfect way of expression" really ought to be getting this sort of rule right.

I'm not going to go after you for "Common" itself, since I think we're all better off when people express their snobbery openly.

However, if I knew ahead of time what I was getting, Jack would have remained in the freezer, or locked below decks for the remaining mission. As is, she was utilized soley as was needed to finish the game. And with that done, ME2 was omly played a single time, for I play for entertainment; not for achievements in endurance.

My decision to cancel my ME3 preorder was also based upon much of this, though I also hated running about in most areas to gather dropped clips. Not only did it make little sense to look for expended cells from the enemy, but it ruined any sense of urgency when foraging for ammo became a primary concern in the missions.

Wait a minute...... you're seriously saying that ME2's cursing was a major factor in cancelling your ME3 preorder?

You're that.... delicate?

Modifié par AlanC9, 10 janvier 2012 - 11:28 .

[Elhanan]

Phaedon wrote...

Just imagine that they shout 'duck' instead of ****'. It is quite entertaining.

'Why the DUCK aren't you wearing pants, nephew?'

'DUCK you and all you stand for, Illusive Goose!'

'I will kick your DUCKING tailfeathers where the sun doesn't shine!'

Edit mine.

Yes; the entire Fracking phraseology of BSG never became intrusive; never got old, did it?.....

[Elhanan]

AlanC9 wrote...

Elhanan, how come you're capitalizing "Common" there? Someone looking for a "superior and more perfect way of expression" really ought to be getting this sort of rule right.

Wait a minute...... you're seriously saying that ME2's cursing was a major factor in cancelling your ME3 preorder?

You're that.... delicate?

I capitilzed the word to make the point that cursing is common, as in cheap, stale, and trite. And while I love the languge, I am neither a writer or typist of note.

And delicate? Not so much; more of a consumer that prefers a higher standard seen and heard achieved in earlier and other titles.

[ZergRush]

Kawamura wrote...

 I never understood why cursing is supposed to mean you have a smaller vocabulary or are somehow less intelligent. Is it because it's a "they're not part of my tribe (the noncurses) and we are better" sort of thing?

Expletives appear to be good for pain tolerance (more for people who don't swear a blue streak regularly) and cursing's something we all do, we do early, and we do for stress relief. 

My favourite part of ME2 was when Joker was left on the ship. That constant string of swearing? That's exactly what I would sound like. When the ship was attacked, the first thing out of my mouth wasn't "oh, look at that". It's not an intelligence thing. It's not a vocabulary thing. If you're offended by it, that's fine, but don't go around saying "hey, you guys need to learn more words".

I curse up a blue streak and I'm pretty certain that I'm fairly intelligent. It's not just idiots that are fond of cursing.

Last time I counted, he repeats the word "****" 14 times during that sequence. Still less than South Park.

[CyberDirectorFreedom]

Elhanan wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Elhanan, how come you're capitalizing "Common" there? Someone looking for a "superior and more perfect way of expression" really ought to be getting this sort of rule right.

Wait a minute...... you're seriously saying that ME2's cursing was a major factor in cancelling your ME3 preorder?

You're that.... delicate?

I capitilzed the word to make the point that cursing is common, as in cheap, stale, and trite. And while I love the languge, I am neither a writer or typist of note.

And delicate? Not so much; more of a consumer that prefers a higher standard seen and heard achieved in earlier and other titles.

So, OP. You've cancelled your preorder, and your question about the profanity has been answered. Yet you keep coming back to this page. If you're not going to get the game, I see no real reason why you need to be on a Mass Effect forum. From where I'm sitting, it looks like you're just trying to start s***.

[Koju737]

Out of all the things to be complained about in me2 and 1 (there wasn't a lot...) You picked profanity? Really? The profanity in ME2 was used in a very intelligent way. OF COURSE characters like Aria and Jack will make liberal use of swear words. While I don't think its necessary for an intelligent story, it does help for immersion... because honestly... if I walked outside and saw a reaper laying waste to everything, what do you think I'm going to say? Holy crud!!!

Of course not. its just not realistic. I use swear words on a daily basis, and I don't really care if anyone is offended because if they are its their own fault. I don't use them to act mature and because I think it makes me cool, I use them because sometimes they accurately depict what I'm thinking sometimes. And when it really comes down to it, whats a swear word? Break it down, take away its meaning, what do you get? A word. A simple little word. Take a second and realize thats what you are complaining about. In a game where you can choose to have sexual relations from a selection of characters, where you slaughter hundreds of mercenaries, gangs and people and creatures by blowing them up, shooting them spilling their blood.... and you complain about a word that isn't used very often?

In the end a swear word is just the same as any other word which is why I don't understand why people get upset over it. At all. the only difference is the meaning behind it and how the user uses it. I mean... its just a word!! Now obviously racial slurs and such are a different story, but you get my point. If you cant handle a mundane swear word, then you have no business playing this game.

Modifié par Koju737, 10 janvier 2012 - 11:50 .

[AlanC9]

Elhanan wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Elhanan, how come you're capitalizing "Common" there? Someone looking for a "superior and more perfect way of expression" really ought to be getting this sort of rule right.

Wait a minute...... you're seriously saying that ME2's cursing was a major factor in cancelling your ME3 preorder?

You're that.... delicate?

I capitilzed the word to make the point that cursing is common, as in cheap, stale, and trite. And while I love the languge, I am neither a writer or typist of note.

I'm just surprised that someone who's so worried about standards doesnt know basic language rules. Capitalization is simply not the way you do emphasis in English. (If you can be a snob about profanity, I can be a snob about this.)

Anyway, this should help.

As for profanity, it's all subculture based. Where I come from, Elhanan would be thought of as either an upper-class twit or, even worse, a twit wannabe. And someone who talks the way I do IRL wouldn't fit in with his culture either.

If it ain't too personal, Elhanan, where are you from? Location and class-wise, that is.

Modifié par AlanC9, 11 janvier 2012 - 12:00 .

[Wulfram]

jreezy wrote...

From the PEGI rating board right?

BBFC.  We're supposed to switch to PEGI but it hasn't happened yet.

[Elhanan]

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

[So, OP. You've cancelled your preorder, and your question about the profanity has been answered. Yet you keep coming back to this page. If you're not going to get the game, I see no real reason why you need to be on a Mass Effect forum. From where I'm sitting, it looks like you're just trying to start s***.

Nope; simply answering some of it....

So because I have the info I desired, I should simply move along? Or I lose the right to an opinion as to the game itself? No answers required; rhetorical in nature.

As a member of this commuity, I want the best product possible, and have a difference of opinion on how that is being implemented. I know that Bioware can create games without using such a language choice, and hope that future products can be played without it.