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[didymos1120]

Koju737 wrote...

OF COURSE characters like Aria and Jack will make liberal use of swear words. 

Aria says "F*ck" all of once, and doesn't swear otherwise. Hardly liberal. 

Now, Jack, yes. She swears pretty frequently (though it's hardly every other word, as is often claimed). Of course, for someone who has spent much of their life in the criminal world and/or incarcerated, one should hardly expect otherwise.

Modifié par didymos1120, 11 janvier 2012 - 12:36 .

[Elhanan]

Koju737 wrote...

Out of all the things to be complained about in me2 and 1 (there wasn't a lot...) You picked profanity? Really? The profanity in ME2 was used in a very intelligent way. OF COURSE characters like Aria and Jack will make liberal use of swear words. While I don't think its necessary for an intelligent story, it does help for immersion... because honestly... if I walked outside and saw a reaper laying waste to everything, what do you think I'm going to say? Holy crud!!!

Of course not. its just not realistic. I use swear words on a daily basis, and I don't really care if anyone is offended because if they are its their own fault. I don't use them to act mature and because I think it makes me cool, I use them because sometimes they accurately depict what I'm thinking sometimes. And when it really comes down to it, whats a swear word? Break it down, take away its meaning, what do you get? A word. A simple little word. Take a second and realize thats what you are complaining about. In a game where you can choose to have sexual relations from a selection of characters, where you slaughter hundreds of mercenaries, gangs and people and creatures by blowing them up, shooting them spilling their blood.... and you complain about a word that isn't used very often?

In the end a swear word is just the same as any other word which is why I don't understand why people get upset over it. At all. the only difference is the meaning behind it and how the user uses it. I mean... its just a word!! Now obviously racial slurs and such are a different story, but you get my point. If you cant handle a mundane swear word, then you have no business playing this game.

Realism for one does not equate to all. And there are a myriad of ways to approach the subject of surprise besides vulgarity.

I prefer humor, as seen often in Firefly and Serenity. When River trashes a bar or turns a gun on Mal, the reply chosen is with humor for the audience. When Jayne is told they are all going to die, his choice of a response brings a smile. Much better for me than more common utternces; the same ones heard so frequently elsewhere.

And I found the choices used in ME2 to be less than enjoyable, and do not wish to support such choices moving forward. I love the stories, and know that such tales have been told before without profanity,  and hopefull will be again.

[Sundance31us]

My Grandfather was a truck driver (WWII generation) the only times he ever swore were when he was really angry and that wasn't very often.

Of course it depends on what dialogue choices are made, but for the most part Shepard is on par with how my Grandfather handled cussing.

[Elhanan]

AlanC9 wrote.... *snip*

As for profanity, it's all subculture based. Where I come from, Elhanan would be thought of as either an upper-class twit or, even worse, a twit wannabe. And someone who talks the way I do IRL wouldn't fit in with his culture either.

If it ain't too personal, Elhanan, where are you from? Location and class-wise, that is.

One would judge me as 'arrogant' because I do not use profanity? Or that I lobby against using it? In either case, it would seem the problem may not be in my shoes at all.

And I am from many places in the USA; moved around a bit during my youth, and was reared in a middle class home. I am now unemployed and have no income, and was gifted funds for playing games during my convalescence. And I prefer to use what time and cash I do have towards games that I find entertaining; not ones that are simply endured to see conclusions.

[AlanC9]

Elhanan wrote...
Realism for one does not equate to all. .

Huh? How so? I thought realism would be the same for everyone

Though Bio could have made their game with soldiers in the future not using as much profanity as soldiers currently do, so "realism" isn't much of an argument anyway.

Modifié par AlanC9, 11 janvier 2012 - 12:47 .

[Wulfram]

jreezy wrote...

And this is relevant...why exactly?

I guess most of the time people are speaking to Shepard, their commanding officer?

[RamirezWolfen]

If it has the same amount as ME2, I'm fine with it. I don't think tons of profanity fits Mass Effect.

[AlanC9]

Elhanan wrote...

AlanC9 wrote.... *snip*

As for profanity, it's all subculture based. Where I come from, Elhanan would be thought of as either an upper-class twit or, even worse, a twit wannabe. And someone who talks the way I do IRL wouldn't fit in with his culture either.

If it ain't too personal, Elhanan, where are you from? Location and class-wise, that is.

One would judge me as 'arrogant' because I do not use profanity? Or that I lobby against using it? In either case, it would seem the problem may not be in my shoes at all.

And I am from many places in the USA; moved around a bit during my youth, and was reared in a middle class home. I am now unemployed and have no income, and was gifted funds for playing games during my convalescence. And I prefer to use what time and cash I do have towards games that I find entertaining; not ones that are simply endured to see conclusions.

How come "arrogant" is in quotes there? I didn't say "arrogant.'  Arrogance isn't really the defining characteristic of the upper-class twit wannabe.

There are different middle classes. I come from New York, then its suburbs, then New York again; neighborhoods full of architects, engineers, lawyers, stockbrokers, but not the really top-paid ones. In my middle class views like yours belong to, um....... "pretentious snobs" would be another way of putting it, I guess. I suppose you would be looked down on a bit for expressing them

That would be wrong....... which is the point. Neither using profanity nor snobbery about profanity tells you anything important about someone.

[Beerfish]

For Shepards last line in all convos they have added and extra word. It is now "I should fing go."

[Iakus]

RamirezWolfen wrote...

If it has the same amount as ME2, I'm fine with it. I don't think tons of profanity fits Mass Effect.

This.

Profanity got a ittle over the top in ME2, especially when Jack is involved.  But as long as it doesn't sink to, say, the Witcher, I can live with it.

[swenson]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree. Going from ME1 to ME2 was rather jarring, but I'm willing to overlook a small amount of profanity in appropriate situations. Which, by and large, was ME2. It was used rarely (except for Jack), and when it was used, it was generally understandable (like Jack). I'm not going to expect a bunch of soldiers, especially of the not-so-nice variety, to go around talking like nuns. I personally don't swear, but if it makes sense for a character to swear and it isn't over-used, I'm OK with it.

Profanity is one of those literary (?) devices that's like a really intense spice. When used in small amounts in the proper settings, it can have a very big effect and enhance the overall product. But when you just throw it everywhere, it starts to get pretty disgusting. Like if you took a steak and poured half a pound of nutmeg on it: totally out of place and nasty.

On a side note, I would like to be able to play my Shepard without swearing if I so desire, but hey, that's what paragon options are for, right?

[PSUHammer]

AlanC9 wrote...
Society in general? There's no such thing. There are particular subcultures where profanity is used, and other subcultures where profanity is not used.

And I can think of plenty of workplaces where profanity is used all the ****ing time. You should hear the way stockbrokers talk. Or chefs.

Or soldiers.

Yes, society in general.  Would you swear on a job interview?  Would you swear if you go over to friends house and have dinner with his family and kids?  Would you swear around a 5 year old?  What about at the old lady waiting on you in the checkout line at Target?

I used to work for a company that sold wholesale building materials to siders and roofers.  The big joke of the salesmen in that field was to keep them (roofers, etc.) away from the customers because they swore like sailors and the sales reps didn't want them to ruin sales.

I am talking about impressions you make so I think you missed my point a bit.  Of course friends and co workers that are friends are going to talk more casually after reaching a comfort level.

Look at Mass Effect...Jack's use of language makes quite an impression about her perceived personality.  Accurate or not.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 11 janvier 2012 - 02:34 .

[Il Divo]

Elhanan wrote...


Realism for one does not equate to all. And there are a myriad of ways to approach the subject of surprise besides vulgarity.

Sure, and vulgarity is also an option. Here's reality: people swear. Some people swear excessively. A good story will rely on whatever it needs to in the telling. If you're dealing with the scum of the criminal underworld, high chances are that they're not going to care if a few choice words harm Shepard's ears.  

[DiebytheSword]

Il Divo wrote...

Elhanan wrote...


Realism for one does not equate to all. And there are a myriad of ways to approach the subject of surprise besides vulgarity.

Sure, and vulgarity is also an option. Here's reality: people swear. Some people swear excessively. A good story will rely on whatever it needs to in the telling. If you're dealing with the scum of the criminal underworld, high chances are that they're not going to care if a few choice words harm Shepard's ears.  

QFT, as long as it serves the purpose of the tale and that its not used as a universal adjective because the author doesn't understand how to construct dialogue, its not a problem in my book.

[Armass81]

I searched the leaked script, there will definately be some F words, and Jack wont be saying most of them this time.

Modifié par Armass81, 11 janvier 2012 - 02:48 .

[shinobi602]

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

Seriously?
Mass Effect survived just fine and appealed to people quite well enough without
characters trying to shock everyone with their bad language. Aria's lame you
can’t skip so get ready to cringe line is the prime example of Mass Effect 2
saying "look at me I'm so grown up I swear now!!!"

What kind of world do you live in? People swear all the damn time in reality. There's absolutely nothing shocking about it. Average people swear, it just comes out. It's not to look so "grown up", if anything you sound extremely immature to think of it that way.

For some characters in the game, cursing is part of their nature. For the vast majority in the Mass Effect games, they don't curse at all. That a select few characters can change its appeal simply for a few swear words is ridiculous lol.

Modifié par shinobi602, 11 janvier 2012 - 02:56 .

[AlanC9]

Hammer6767 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Society in general? There's no such thing. There are particular subcultures where profanity is used, and other subcultures where profanity is not used.

And I can think of plenty of workplaces where profanity is used all the ****ing time. You should hear the way stockbrokers talk. Or chefs.

Or soldiers.

Yes, society in general.  Would you swear on a job interview?  Would you swear if you go over to friends house and have dinner with his family and kids?  Would you swear around a 5 year old?  What about at the old lady waiting on you in the checkout line at Target?

In order: depends on the job, depends on the friend though most likely not, not, and wouldn't give a damn but wouldn't be talking to her much anyway so if I was talking to a friend in front of her I very well might curse.

That doesn't add up to "society in general." That's a fraction of my possible interactions.

Now, if you want to say that there are some circumstances where cursing isn't appropriate, then sure.

[Calibrationmaster]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Honestly, I'm growing rather tired of the gratuitous profanity in games today. ME2 didn't have that, and I'd love it if they went back to the ME1 style, where it was better dialogue over profanity to convey the character's feelings and intentions.

Take Battlefield 3 for example. On BOTH factions, Both US and Russia. "F! We lost the objective!" "I'm getting F'ed Up over here!" EVERY MINUTE OF THE GAME. It's premature, and it's just...so stupid that people think that using profanity somehow makes them bigger and more mature, and the same goes for gaming. Profanity does not make a game more mature.

Also, before any idiot waddles in and says "hurr wuzzie get uver iiit hurr," try broadening your vocabulary.

Intelligence > Looking what this toilet-society's standard of "cool."

what a flower you are boy,
a normal guy say : i need to take a ****
you say
i need to make poopoo  and peepee

[AgitatedLemon]

Calibrationmaster wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Honestly, I'm growing rather tired of the gratuitous profanity in games today. ME2 didn't have that, and I'd love it if they went back to the ME1 style, where it was better dialogue over profanity to convey the character's feelings and intentions.

Take Battlefield 3 for example. On BOTH factions, Both US and Russia. "F! We lost the objective!" "I'm getting F'ed Up over here!" EVERY MINUTE OF THE GAME. It's premature, and it's just...so stupid that people think that using profanity somehow makes them bigger and more mature, and the same goes for gaming. Profanity does not make a game more mature.

Also, before any idiot waddles in and says "hurr wuzzie get uver iiit hurr," try broadening your vocabulary.

Intelligence > Looking what this toilet-society's standard of "cool."

what a flower you are boy,
a normal guy say : i need to take a ****
you say
i need to make poopoo  and peepee

So you're saying the OP is a 4 year old?

[Chuvvy]

didymos1120 wrote...

Koju737 wrote...

OF COURSE characters like Aria and Jack will make liberal use of swear words. 

Aria says "F*ck" all of once, and doesn't swear otherwise. Hardly liberal. 

Now, Jack, yes. She swears pretty frequently (though it's hardly every other word, as is often claimed). Of course, for someone who has spent much of their life in the criminal world and/or incarcerated, one should hardly expect otherwise.

Yeah, Jack get's so much **** for cursing I thought I missed something. Maybe it's because I have the mouth of a sailor who just lost his finger, in something sailing related. A sail thing. Anyway, she didn't curse much in the conversations I had with her, I can remeber three or four times. I can knock that out in a sentence no problem. Maybe people are just more senstive to it than I am.

[Elhanan]

Il Divo wrote...

Sure, and vulgarity is also an option. Here's reality: people swear. Some people swear excessively. A good story will rely on whatever it needs to in the telling. If you're dealing with the scum of the criminal underworld, high chances are that they're not going to care if a few choice words harm Shepard's ears.  

Thing is, saying it and listening to it was not optional in ME2. And Yep; folks swear, like many of those here that try and get around the filters, and some appear to make my point for me. And I doubt they are the scum of the underworld either.

A good story does not need to rely on profanity, stereotypes, and appealing to the lowest common denominator in language to weave a superior tale. There are enough heroes and villains in literature and film to indicate that other choices can be used well.

While it is common, not everyone uses profanity, and some wish to avoid it. Never have seen Pulp Fiction, Resevoir Dogs, or many other QT films due to this form of speech, or many others like them. Have not invested in The Witcher games for much the same reason. Same goes for books as well.

My choice, and in this case, will avoid the investments of cash and time unless things change, or at least become optional.