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[Gabey5]

Ummm alien machines are f****** up your planet, i think there will be some swearing and it will be justified as well

[Boomer-Australia]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Take Battlefield 3 for example. On BOTH factions, Both US and Russia. "F! We lost the objective!" "I'm getting F'ed Up over here!" EVERY MINUTE OF THE GAME.

Oddly enough it potrays realism look at videos of military personel in Afghanistan and you'll see a lot of swearing its reality and evoloution of society and for some freedom of speech

Back on the main topic

When you see your mates, civilans/innocents getting killed your going to either release that anger or bottle it up and of course for quite a few people its a daily part of life I doubt that Bioware is going to go overboard on in its probably going to be the occasional one every now and then 

[android654]

Well aren't many sitting nice and pretty on your own individual pedestals.

For those of you upset over MW3 and Battlefield 3's amount of cursing, if you've every met an American marine cursing (not cussing, don't know where some of you are from) is rather normal and even more so when you're in the actual middle of a war.

As far as ME3, I'm assuming the same as ME2. A few here and there to add emphasis on certain scenes to drive a point home. Personally since you'd be dealing with aliens of different stripes and from all walks of life it would make sense for some to curse quite liberally while some wouldn't at all as a means of embedding a sense of realism to the characters, but whatever.

I do admit its a bit funny to read some people here saying, "Well cursing is so juvenile, it lowers my opinion of anyone who uses it. Any mature adult would know how to deliver a point by adding prose to their language like we were accustomed to centuries ago. *scoff*"

It's a very childish outlook on the issue itself. Sometimes adding in a f**k drives a point home and sometimes it's not needed. An extreme in either direction is childish.

[Boomer-Australia]

Man you guys wouldn't like it down here every 2 out of 5 words we speak is a swear word

E.G "**** my sheila/wife is a *****"

[Sundance31us]

Alternative reality...
Shepard: Then stop what you're doing, so I can ease the Council's collective mind. I'm sorry, but the Council must be firm with you. Stop what you are doing, or else.
Harbinger: Or else what?
Shepard: Or else we will be very angry with you... and we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are.
:innocent:

I don't know about anyone else, but I found the lack of harsh words in ME1 quite noticeable and slightly distracting; ME2 felt more natural.

[Silver77nz]

It's a war story and I would expect swearing out of fear and anger. Also with movies and TV shows people should be use to swearing. Why would it be any different in games?

[DarthCaine]

Chris Priestly wrote...

From what I have played through so far, I would say it is roughly on par with Mass Effect 2.

Good

[ErichHartmann]

Frak!

[someone else]

I really wonder what the OP's problem is. Is he just a prissy, prudish old crank, put off by "rude" slang, or something more deeply pathological - an Victorian aversion to overt sexual and bodily references (wonder what goes on in the closet)? Cultural snobbery? Fear of confrontational, verbally aggressive "bullies?" Or just another obergruppenfuhrer from the moral gestapo dedicated to washing all our potty-mouths with laundry soap? I get the uncomfortable feeling the OP is either a repressed, pinch-faced blue nose or a troll.

I could understand it if ME were as replete with gratuitous obscenities as it is will silicone implants, but its not. Its a war story. Jack is profane - but you won't hear a "damn" from Ashley - not in her character, and as I recall that's about as strong as Shepard's words ever get. Mass Effect isn't Shakespeare, isn't LoTR, but neither is it Tropic of Cancer or Lenny Bruce outtakes.

Get over it.

Modifié par someone else, 11 janvier 2012 - 03:54 .

[IndustrializedTaco]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Honestly, I'm growing rather tired of the gratuitous profanity in games today. ME2 didn't have that, and I'd love it if they went back to the ME1 style, where it was better dialogue over profanity to convey the character's feelings and intentions.

Take Battlefield 3 for example. On BOTH factions, Both US and Russia. "F! We lost the objective!" "I'm getting F'ed Up over here!" EVERY MINUTE OF THE GAME. It's premature, and it's just...so stupid that people think that using profanity somehow makes them bigger and more mature, and the same goes for gaming. Profanity does not make a game more mature.

Also, before any idiot waddles in and says "hurr wuzzie get uver iiit hurr," try broadening your vocabulary.

Intelligence > Looking what this toilet-society's standard of "cool."

I agree with you, but on some level profantity is a good thing. I mean you'r conveying someones emotions. What better adjective than to scream FUUUUCK!!!!

[Elhanan]

AlanC9 wrote...

But that job you might get fired from would not be "soldier."

Mouthing off to a superior may or may not get you fire or discharged, but the time spent in the meantime may not be too pleasant. Personally, I am not into 20+ mile force marches on the weekends, KP, etc, but have at it if you wish.

[leeboi2]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Honestly, I'm growing rather tired of the gratuitous profanity in games today. ME2 didn't have that, and I'd love it if they went back to the ME1 style, where it was better dialogue over profanity to convey the character's feelings and intentions.

Take Battlefield 3 for example. On BOTH factions, Both US and Russia. "F! We lost the objective!" "I'm getting F'ed Up over here!" EVERY MINUTE OF THE GAME. It's premature, and it's just...so stupid that people think that using profanity somehow makes them bigger and more mature, and the same goes for gaming. Profanity does not make a game more mature.

Also, before any idiot waddles in and says "hurr wuzzie get uver iiit hurr," try broadening your vocabulary.

Intelligence > Looking what this toilet-society's standard of "cool."

Have you ever met a real soldier? Guess not...

[Chuvvy]

Elhanan wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

But that job you might get fired from would not be "soldier."

Mouthing off to a superior may or may not get you fire or discharged, but the time spent in the meantime may not be too pleasant. Personally, I am not into 20+ mile force marches on the weekends, KP, etc, but have at it if you wish.

You're in a war for the survival of the entire galactic civilization. No one will fire a soldier because they dropped an F-bomb. Or have them go on a twenty mile run, because there are way, WAY, more important things going on.

[Elhanan]

didymos1120 wrote...

Oh, hey OP: how do you feel about Shakespeare?

Personally, I find the works as boring and tedious as searching through Junk mail, but am fond of some other projects based on his ideas (eg; The Tempest = Forbidden Planet).

[Elhanan]

Kmead15 wrote...

I'm not saying that decreasing tension is a bad thing. It gives the audience a break, help keep them invested, and can even make things feel more tense later by providing contrast. However, unless you're writing a comedy the characters shouldn't react humorously every time they're surprised. No one will take the story seriously.

More on topic, what made cursing acceptable in Firefly but not in Mass Effect? Is it alright for a character to intend to say something offensive so long as you personally aren't offended?

Guessing not knowing Chinese helps....

[Elhanan]

android654 wrote...

Well aren't many sitting nice and pretty on your own individual pedestals.

For those of you upset over MW3 and Battlefield 3's amount of cursing, if you've every met an American marine cursing (not cussing, don't know where some of you are from) is rather normal and even more so when you're in the actual middle of a war.

As far as ME3, I'm assuming the same as ME2. A few here and there to add emphasis on certain scenes to drive a point home. Personally since you'd be dealing with aliens of different stripes and from all walks of life it would make sense for some to curse quite liberally while some wouldn't at all as a means of embedding a sense of realism to the characters, but whatever.

I do admit its a bit funny to read some people here saying, "Well cursing is so juvenile, it lowers my opinion of anyone who uses it. Any mature adult would know how to deliver a point by adding prose to their language like we were accustomed to centuries ago. *scoff*"

It's a very childish outlook on the issue itself. Sometimes adding in a f**k drives a point home and sometimes it's not needed. An extreme in either direction is childish.

The extreme of not using profanity may be often unnoticed; sometimes depends on the writing or dialogue that is used in its place. And I am not certain, but I doubt the lack of swearing actually offends anyone....

[leighzard]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Frak!

Or the alternative The Fantastic Mr. Fox route...

Shepard: So can I have my ship back to fight the Reapers now?
Turian Councilor: Ah yes... <air quotes>
Shepard: You are such a cussing idiot.  How did this galaxy get turned into such a giant clustercuss?


@android - we say "cuss" here in the south.  I thought it was universal.  Guess not.

[Raygereio]

Elhanan wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
Oh, hey OP: how do you feel about Shakespeare?

Personally, I find the works as boring and tedious as searching through Junk mail, but am fond of some other projects based on his ideas (eg; The Tempest = Forbidden Planet).

Hey, I agree with you that Shakespear's reputation for producing masterpieces is exaggerated (in my opinion his work has not aged well at all and only a couple of his plays are tolerable).
But you can't fault the man's insults, thou roguish malmsey-nosed lout.
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Modifié par Raygereio, 11 janvier 2012 - 04:32 .

[Elhanan]

someone else wrote...

I really wonder what the OP's problem is. Is he just a prissy, prudish old crank, put off by "rude" slang, or something more deeply pathological - an Victorian aversion to overt sexual and bodily references (wonder what goes on in the closet)? Cultural snobbery? Fear of confrontational, verbally aggressive "bullies?" Or just another obergruppenfuhrer from the moral gestapo dedicated to washing all our potty-mouths with laundry soap? I get the uncomfortable feeling the OP is either a repressed, pinch-faced blue nose or a troll.

I could understand it if ME were as replete with gratuitous obscenities as it is will silicone implants, but its not. Its a war story. Jack is profane - but you won't hear a "damn" from Ashley - not in her character, and as I recall that's about as strong as Shepard's words ever get. Mass Effect isn't Shakespeare, isn't LoTR, but neither is it Tropic of Cancer or Lenny Bruce outtakes.

Get over it.

Psuedo-intellectuals, bullies, elitists, beauracratic mouthpieces, bigots, entitled gamers on forums, ....

Oh! On this topic; nevermind....

I 'll take A Lack of Courtesy & Decency for 100!

[android654]

Elhanan wrote...

android654 wrote...

Well aren't many sitting nice and pretty on your own individual pedestals.

For those of you upset over MW3 and Battlefield 3's amount of cursing, if you've every met an American marine cursing (not cussing, don't know where some of you are from) is rather normal and even more so when you're in the actual middle of a war.

As far as ME3, I'm assuming the same as ME2. A few here and there to add emphasis on certain scenes to drive a point home. Personally since you'd be dealing with aliens of different stripes and from all walks of life it would make sense for some to curse quite liberally while some wouldn't at all as a means of embedding a sense of realism to the characters, but whatever.

I do admit its a bit funny to read some people here saying, "Well cursing is so juvenile, it lowers my opinion of anyone who uses it. Any mature adult would know how to deliver a point by adding prose to their language like we were accustomed to centuries ago. *scoff*"

It's a very childish outlook on the issue itself. Sometimes adding in a f**k drives a point home and sometimes it's not needed. An extreme in either direction is childish.

The extreme of not using profanity may be often unnoticed; sometimes depends on the writing or dialogue that is used in its place. And I am not certain, but I doubt the lack of swearing actually offends anyone....

It offends me because it shows a lack of care from the writers, and blatant ignorance of organic dialogue. People speak differently in different situations and vernacular changes in different time periods, and if "profanity" is used now, common sense would suggest it'll be around in the future as well. These words aren't new nor is their usage, time may have morphed them, but s**t is the same whether you call it that or offal.

If you think yourself erudite or sophisticated because you refrain from using it, then you're ridiculous. It makes you seem more detached from reality and people as a whole.

Adults curse, under duress, in the midst of laughter, in fear and in the grips of pleasure. This is an M rated game, if hearing "F**k you!" will diminish your enjoyment of the game then don't purchase it.

[BatmanPWNS]

Well I would complain but deep down I know when I am in a huge mess I tend to swear alot so I am not surprise if someone in ME3 starts swearing like mad when the Reapers show up.

[Il Divo]

android654 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

android654 wrote...

Well aren't many sitting nice and pretty on your own individual pedestals.

For those of you upset over MW3 and Battlefield 3's amount of cursing, if you've every met an American marine cursing (not cussing, don't know where some of you are from) is rather normal and even more so when you're in the actual middle of a war.

As far as ME3, I'm assuming the same as ME2. A few here and there to add emphasis on certain scenes to drive a point home. Personally since you'd be dealing with aliens of different stripes and from all walks of life it would make sense for some to curse quite liberally while some wouldn't at all as a means of embedding a sense of realism to the characters, but whatever.

I do admit its a bit funny to read some people here saying, "Well cursing is so juvenile, it lowers my opinion of anyone who uses it. Any mature adult would know how to deliver a point by adding prose to their language like we were accustomed to centuries ago. *scoff*"

It's a very childish outlook on the issue itself. Sometimes adding in a f**k drives a point home and sometimes it's not needed. An extreme in either direction is childish.

The extreme of not using profanity may be often unnoticed; sometimes depends on the writing or dialogue that is used in its place. And I am not certain, but I doubt the lack of swearing actually offends anyone....

It offends me because it shows a lack of care from the writers, and blatant ignorance of organic dialogue. People speak differently in different situations and vernacular changes in different time periods, and if "profanity" is used now, common sense would suggest it'll be around in the future as well. These words aren't new nor is their usage, time may have morphed them, but s**t is the same whether you call it that or offal.

If you think yourself erudite or sophisticated because you refrain from using it, then you're ridiculous. It makes you seem more detached from reality and people as a whole.

Adults curse, under duress, in the midst of laughter, in fear and in the grips of pleasure. This is an M rated game, if hearing "F**k you!" will diminish your enjoyment of the game then don't purchase it.

I'm also curious about the implications this kind of reasoning might have for any historical work of fiction that deals with racism or slavery. I would think in that kind of setting, as repugnant as certain words might be, we would want to push for historical accuracy.

[Raygereio]

Il Divo wrote...
I'm also curious about the implications this kind of reasoning might have for any historical work of fiction that deals with racism or slavery. I would think in that kind of setting, as repugnant as certain words might be, we would want to push for historical accuracy.

Oh, good gravy. You just gave me flashbacks to an old PnP RPG game I ran years ago. The game in question (set in the colonial era) imploded when one player out of the blue started ****ing about how another player's character should be moustache twirling evil as he kept slaves.

For extra face-palming-irony points: the guy running the slave-keeping character was black. The guy complaining about it was white.

Modifié par Raygereio, 11 janvier 2012 - 04:48 .

[Il Divo]

Raygereio wrote...

Oh, good gravy. You just gave me flashbacks to an old PnP RPG game I ran years ago. The game in question (set in the colonial era) imploded when one player started ****ing about how another player's character should be moustache twirling evil as he kept slaves.

For extra face-palming-irony points: the guy running the slave-keeping character was black. The guy complaining about it was white.

Haha, that definitely sounds like a worthy face palm moment. How did all of it end between the two?