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[Alex Arterius]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Kroang?

Mocking others' typos, are we?

I actually think his intent was clarification, because I didn't get it either and thought I was forgetting something.

*edit*

And I stand corrected.

Let there be peace please people!

Let us not all argue about typos and people who enjoy bringing attention to them

Not even worth the time - ME3 is more important hahah ;D

[android654]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Face it; Garrus may be one of my favourite squadmates, but he's about as plot-relevant as a rock. He could easily be written out of the trilogy and very little would change.

And Tali can't?

Any squadmate could, presumably, but some more easily than others (Liara being probably the most difficult). Tali is the one who uncovers the evidence against Saren in ME1, and is important in the whole geth/quarian plotline. Garrus has none of that going for him.

I also find it funny how some people whine and complain about Tali's "favouritism" and such yet put up no fuss about Garrus's, despite the fact that he's gotten similar treatment.

Tali isn't relevant to the Geth/Quarian war, her father is. Yes she's relevant to the ME1 plot, but she brings nothing to ME2 and I'm going to wager even less to ME3.

Garrus is fair game, especially since you can bypass his recruitment in ME1. While he had interesting things to say in ME1 and had the student/teacher dynamic with Shepard, he brings nothing to the ME2 dynamic. No dialogue and a paper thin story that stopped being interesting the second you find out he's archangel. His story could've been so much more if he denied your request to join his team and went off to rebuild his vigilante army, only seeking your help for his LM and then disapear until ME3 when he returns with a fleet of vigilantes who are hardened badasses determined to delivering Justice to Cerberus.

Liara has no point ot being a part of the ME3 team since she got a huge chunk of ME2 dedicated to getting her her own army. Putting her on the Normandy makes that pointless. What's the point of her bieng the Shadow Broker if she's not going to use her resources to fight as our ally?

[S.A.K]

darthnick427 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

I was expecting Garrus, Tali, Liara, VS + Miranda because of her role in ME2. And maybe 2 or 3 new guys.

hmm pretty acturate to the actual squad there S.A.K. 

Well yeah. Its not hard to calculate. Most of the ME2 squad had very little to do with the plot and could be easily written out. Team dextro will be back thanks to the popularity and long term relationship.

[AgitatedLemon]

His story could've been so much more if he denied your request to join his team and went off to rebuild his vigilante army, only seeking your help for his LM and then disapear until ME3 when he returns with a fleet of vigilantes who are hardened badasses determined to delivering Justice to Cerberus.

Huh. I would like to see this.

[AgitatedLemon]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

android654 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Face it; Garrus may be one of my favourite squadmates, but he's about as plot-relevant as a rock. He could easily be written out of the trilogy and very little would change.

And Tali can't?

Any squadmate could, presumably, but some more easily than others (Liara being probably the most difficult). Tali is the one who uncovers the evidence against Saren in ME1, and is important in the whole geth/quarian plotline. Garrus has none of that going for him.

I also find it funny how some people whine and complain about Tali's "favouritism" and such yet put up no fuss about Garrus's, despite the fact that he's gotten similar treatment.

Tali isn't relevant to the Geth/Quarian war, her father is. Yes she's relevant to the ME1 plot, but she brings nothing to ME2 and I'm going to wager even less to ME3.

Wrong; Tali is quite relevant to the geth/quarian war in ME3, which is what I was referring to. Assuming the spoilers are correct, of course.

We weren't discussing ME3, so that's nice information.

[android654]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

android654 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Face it; Garrus may be one of my favourite squadmates, but he's about as plot-relevant as a rock. He could easily be written out of the trilogy and very little would change.

And Tali can't?

Any squadmate could, presumably, but some more easily than others (Liara being probably the most difficult). Tali is the one who uncovers the evidence against Saren in ME1, and is important in the whole geth/quarian plotline. Garrus has none of that going for him.

I also find it funny how some people whine and complain about Tali's "favouritism" and such yet put up no fuss about Garrus's, despite the fact that he's gotten similar treatment.

Tali isn't relevant to the Geth/Quarian war, her father is. Yes she's relevant to the ME1 plot, but she brings nothing to ME2 and I'm going to wager even less to ME3.

Wrong; Tali is quite relevant to the geth/quarian war in ME3, which is what I was referring to. Assuming the spoilers are correct, of course.

Are we privy to that information in ME1 and ME2? Then no, she's pointless in ME2, and giving her relevance in ME3 sounds like its being placed there without laying it in the foreground of the first two chapters of the epic. I'd be all for Tali if she was plot relevant and had something that made me interested to talk to her and learn about her character. Yet in ME1 we get a geth/quarian encyclopedia and in ME2 we get someone who says nothing until she admits she's got a high school crush on you.

[Skullheart]

I think Legion is far more relevant to the quarian/geth situation. Before Legion, we didn't even know of the geth internal conflict, and the possibility of peace.

[DiebytheSword]

If we're going to include ME3, then your stance against Team Dextro's Turian weakens as well. He is also very relevant to ME3.

[S.A.K]

android654 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

android654 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Face it; Garrus may be one of my favourite squadmates, but he's about as plot-relevant as a rock. He could easily be written out of the trilogy and very little would change.

And Tali can't?

Any squadmate could, presumably, but some more easily than others (Liara being probably the most difficult). Tali is the one who uncovers the evidence against Saren in ME1, and is important in the whole geth/quarian plotline. Garrus has none of that going for him.

I also find it funny how some people whine and complain about Tali's "favouritism" and such yet put up no fuss about Garrus's, despite the fact that he's gotten similar treatment.

Tali isn't relevant to the Geth/Quarian war, her father is. Yes she's relevant to the ME1 plot, but she brings nothing to ME2 and I'm going to wager even less to ME3.

Wrong; Tali is quite relevant to the geth/quarian war in ME3, which is what I was referring to. Assuming the spoilers are correct, of course.

Are we privy to that information in ME1 and ME2? Then no, she's pointless in ME2, and giving her relevance in ME3 sounds like its being placed there without laying it in the foreground of the first two chapters of the epic. I'd be all for Tali if she was plot relevant and had something that made me interested to talk to her and learn about her character. Yet in ME1 we get a geth/quarian encyclopedia and in ME2 we get someone who says nothing until she admits she's got a high school crush on you.

Everythings pointless in ME2 buddy.
Cerburus : Enemy in ME1, Friends in ME2 again enemy in ME3.
Huge cast : Most of them are getting sidelined.
Collectors : Came from nowhere and gone by the end.
So ME2 itself has very little to do with the main plot of the trilogy.

[android654]

You're also negating the fact that ME3's story wasn't supposed to be out until we've had a chance to play the game. So the only information we can use to decipher a characters relevance is ME1 and ME2.

[AgitatedLemon]

S.A.K wrote...

android654 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

android654 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Face it; Garrus may be one of my favourite squadmates, but he's about as plot-relevant as a rock. He could easily be written out of the trilogy and very little would change.

And Tali can't?

Any squadmate could, presumably, but some more easily than others (Liara being probably the most difficult). Tali is the one who uncovers the evidence against Saren in ME1, and is important in the whole geth/quarian plotline. Garrus has none of that going for him.

I also find it funny how some people whine and complain about Tali's "favouritism" and such yet put up no fuss about Garrus's, despite the fact that he's gotten similar treatment.

Tali isn't relevant to the Geth/Quarian war, her father is. Yes she's relevant to the ME1 plot, but she brings nothing to ME2 and I'm going to wager even less to ME3.

Wrong; Tali is quite relevant to the geth/quarian war in ME3, which is what I was referring to. Assuming the spoilers are correct, of course.

Are we privy to that information in ME1 and ME2? Then no, she's pointless in ME2, and giving her relevance in ME3 sounds like its being placed there without laying it in the foreground of the first two chapters of the epic. I'd be all for Tali if she was plot relevant and had something that made me interested to talk to her and learn about her character. Yet in ME1 we get a geth/quarian encyclopedia and in ME2 we get someone who says nothing until she admits she's got a high school crush on you.

Everythings pointless in ME2 buddy.
Cerburus : Enemy in ME1, Friends in ME2 again enemy in ME3.
Huge cast : Most of them are getting sidelined.
Collectors : Came from nowhere and gone by the end.
So ME2 itself has very little to do with the main plot of the trilogy.

I wouldn't call a strained alliance of convenience "Friends".

The cast has what to do with anything?

Collectors = Geth 2.0, minus the religious fanaticism. 

[Skullheart]

Well, the only important thing in ME2 are:
- Liara becoming the Shadow Broker.
- The possibility of a cure for the krogans.
- Legion and the Geth.
- Arrival.

The rest is just trivial. Like all the side missions on ME1 were like nothing in ME2 (just brief news on the citadel).

[AgitatedLemon]

Skullheart wrote...

Well, the only important thing in ME2 are:
- Liara becoming the Shadow Broker.
- The possibility of a cure for the krogans.
- Legion and the Geth.
- Arrival.

The rest is just trivial. Like all the side missions on ME1 were like nothing in ME2 (just brief news on the citadel).

All of Cerberus.

[DiebytheSword]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

If we're going to include ME3, then your stance against Team Dextro's Turian weakens as well. He is also very relevant to ME3.

To some extent, I suppose. He's still less relevant than Tali, which was the original point I was trying to make

And yet significantly more important than a rock in terms of the overal plot, which is the point I was trying to make

[DiebytheSword]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Well, the only important thing in ME2 are:
- Liara becoming the Shadow Broker.
- The possibility of a cure for the krogans.
- Legion and the Geth.
- Arrival.

The rest is just trivial. Like all the side missions on ME1 were like nothing in ME2 (just brief news on the citadel).

All of Cerberus.

Indeed, I understood Ceberus much better after ME2, and see how TIM becomes a villain by understating the threat and overestimating himself in the equation.

[darthnick427]

dear god what has this thread become O_o

[S.A.K]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

S.A.K wrote...
Everythings pointless in ME2 buddy.
Cerburus : Enemy in ME1, Friends in ME2 again enemy in ME3.
Huge cast : Most of them are getting sidelined.
Collectors : Came from nowhere and gone by the end.
So ME2 itself has very little to do with the main plot of the trilogy.

I wouldn't call a strained alliance of convenience "Friends".

OK allies. What does that change?

The cast has what to do with anything?

We spent most of ME2 making it?

Collectors = Geth 2.0, minus the religious fanaticism. 

So?

[DiebytheSword]

darthnick427 wrote...

dear god what has this thread become O_o

What all threads become in the BSN. 

Did you think that the second law of thermodynamics didn't apply to good will and a topic for civil discussion on the internet?

[AgitatedLemon]

S.A.K wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

S.A.K wrote...
Everythings pointless in ME2 buddy.
Cerburus : Enemy in ME1, Friends in ME2 again enemy in ME3.
Huge cast : Most of them are getting sidelined.
Collectors : Came from nowhere and gone by the end.
So ME2 itself has very little to do with the main plot of the trilogy.

I wouldn't call a strained alliance of convenience "Friends".

OK allies. What does that change?

The cast has what to do with anything?

We spent most of ME2 making it?

Collectors = Geth 2.0, minus the religious fanaticism. 

So?

So your first point was... pointless.

How does this attribute to making ME2 pointless? You're aware the major plot points in ME2 all revolved around Cerberus and the Collectors, right?

See #2

[S.A.K]

This thread is going way off topic...