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[Renmiri1]

The Alistair in the comics is not the Alistair in DAO. He doesn't even crack jokes!

[sylvanaerie]

The more I think about it the less I want Bioware to bring back anyone as a companion, even NPC's I'd love to get to know more about (like Cullen).  As NPC's giving quests or simply having something interesting to say, they would be nicely implemented, since many of the companions can be dead.  And anytime they DO bring back a companion they have come back all fubared, so their track record in that regard is pretty crappy.  0 for 2 so far in my opinion.

Dragon Age is becoming a pretty small world if they just keep dragging out, dusting off and rehashing old companions.  Been there, done that, and I didn't even get a lousy Tee-shirt from it!

So, count me in for a new crew for a new PC.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 04 septembre 2012 - 09:37 .

[Renmiri1]

Dunno, I think the person who ended the Blight or the person that started the Mage / Templar war would be very well known in Thedas. It's not like Blights and civil wars aren't major events.

Having our Warden, Alistair and Hawke return for a cameo makes a lot of sense in the story. It would be really weird if no one mentioned them at least.

[Raistlin82]

lx_theo wrote...

I'd love to see many cameos. I liked how ME3 had a lot of characters not so much as a party members, but are seen playing their role in the galactic struggle and you happen to go to the places they have their role. Stuff like that would be appreciated.

I agree.

Not to extent ME3 did it though. No need to feel like its just copying ME3 in total.

Of course not. Not to the extent of ME3. To a BIGGER extent.
Lemme explain.

In ME, a maximum of 2 out of 6 of your companions could be dead by the end of the game.
In ME2, potentially all 12 of your companions (2 of which are returning from ME) could be dead (although not all in the same playthrough).
So you reach the third game with only 2 companions that SURELY survived (Liara and the Virmire survivor).
That's why they only brought back Tali and Garrus as "optional" (because they were there from the beginning), and gave us 3 brand new squad members.

In DA:O, 6 out of 10 companions could die (I'm counting Morrigan as surviving, because even in the "worst" WH ending, she doesn't get a "sure kill" scene; I'm also counting Leliana as surviving, because of the ret-con in DA2; I'm counting Alistair as surviving because of the ret-con in DA: The Silent Grove and DA: Those Who Speak).
In DA: A, 5 out of 7 companions could or will "die" (I'm counting Anders as surviving because of the ret-con in DA2; also I can't find definite proof that Oghren can die defending the Vigil, so I'll count him as surviving).
In DA: GoA, only 1 out of 3 companions will die (the stupid golem).
In DA: WH, all 3 companions will survive (and if Dog died before, you get a new, substitute Dog).
In DA 2, a maximum of 5 out of 10 companions could die (and even then, Anders' death scene is somehow suspicious).
So, at the end of these 3 games, you have 15 companions that SURELY survived.
Add 2 more since in DA, unlike ME, the main character changes at every game, so the previous two main characters (the Warden-Commander and Hawke) may count as additional companions.
For a total of 17 SURVIVING COMPANIONS (while everybody else, whose death is in the air, can still make a cameo): Warden-Commander, Morrigan, Leliana, Alistair, Oghren, Anders, Jerrik, Brogan, Ariane, Finn, Dog, Hawke, Aveline, Isabela, Sebastian, Varric, Tallis.
And that's not even counting temporary companions, Leliana's Song companions or Dragon Age Legends companions.

A lot of game content can be built around 17 characters that are surely alive (at least for the time being), as opposed to the 2 of ME, whether you use them as companions or as "regular" NPCs.

Add to that that the main quest and some of the side quests in DA3 might, possibly, involve:
1) Mages vs Templars war
2) Qunari invasion
3) Morrigan's Godchild
4) Corypheus (and possibly the Architect) and the "intelligent" Darkspawn threat (who said Geth?)

...and you see that ANY of the possible returning characters can be linked to one or more of these sub-plots, as well as ANY of the possibly dead ones. Try it. It's actually a fun exercise.

So yeah... at least cameos for everybody are a must.

[JellyBean28]

Raistlin82 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

I'd love to see many cameos. I liked how ME3 had a lot of characters not so much as a party members, but are seen playing their role in the galactic struggle and you happen to go to the places they have their role. Stuff like that would be appreciated.

I agree.

Not to extent ME3 did it though. No need to feel like its just copying ME3 in total.

Of course not. Not to the extent of ME3. To a BIGGER extent.
Lemme explain.

In ME, a maximum of 2 out of 6 of your companions could be dead by the end of the game.
In ME2, potentially all 12 of your companions (2 of which are returning from ME) could be dead (although not all in the same playthrough).
So you reach the third game with only 2 companions that SURELY survived (Liara and the Virmire survivor).
That's why they only brought back Tali and Garrus as "optional" (because they were there from the beginning), and gave us 3 brand new squad members.

In DA:O, 6 out of 10 companions could die (I'm counting Morrigan as surviving, because even in the "worst" WH ending, she doesn't get a "sure kill" scene; I'm also counting Leliana as surviving, because of the ret-con in DA2; I'm counting Alistair as surviving because of the ret-con in DA: The Silent Grove and DA: Those Who Speak).
In DA: A, 5 out of 7 companions could or will "die" (I'm counting Anders as surviving because of the ret-con in DA2; also I can't find definite proof that Oghren can die defending the Vigil, so I'll count him as surviving).
In DA: GoA, only 1 out of 3 companions will die (the stupid golem).
In DA: WH, all 3 companions will survive (and if Dog died before, you get a new, substitute Dog).
In DA 2, a maximum of 5 out of 10 companions could die (and even then, Anders' death scene is somehow suspicious).
So, at the end of these 3 games, you have 15 companions that SURELY survived.
Add 2 more since in DA, unlike ME, the main character changes at every game, so the previous two main characters (the Warden-Commander and Hawke) may count as additional companions.
For a total of 17 SURVIVING COMPANIONS (while everybody else, whose death is in the air, can still make a cameo): Warden-Commander, Morrigan, Leliana, Alistair, Oghren, Anders, Jerrik, Brogan, Ariane, Finn, Dog, Hawke, Aveline, Isabela, Sebastian, Varric, Tallis.
And that's not even counting temporary companions, Leliana's Song companions or Dragon Age Legends companions.

A lot of game content can be built around 17 characters that are surely alive (at least for the time being), as opposed to the 2 of ME, whether you use them as companions or as "regular" NPCs.

Add to that that the main quest and some of the side quests in DA3 might, possibly, involve:
1) Mages vs Templars war
2) Qunari invasion
3) Morrigan's Godchild
4) Corypheus (and possibly the Architect) and the "intelligent" Darkspawn threat (who said Geth?)

...and you see that ANY of the possible returning characters can be linked to one or more of these sub-plots, as well as ANY of the possibly dead ones. Try it. It's actually a fun exercise.

So yeah... at least cameos for everybody are a must.

I like the way you think. Unforunately, I don't see it happening. One can hope though!
I'm not completely against an entire new cast or no cameos, but I am the kind of player that gets immensely excited when I run into characters that I know and love.

[Raistlin82]

JellyBean28 wrote...

I like the way you think. Unforunately, I don't see it happening. One can hope though!
I'm not completely against an entire new cast or no cameos, but I am the kind of player that gets immensely excited when I run into characters that I know and love.

Well... having all the previous companions come back as companions is of course just a dream. I agree.
It never happened before, and it won't happen: for technical reasons, for economic reasons, for artistic reasons.

However, having all of them back (or at least all of those that we are sure survived the previous games), some as cameos and some as companions (with new companions thrown in the mix for good measure) is actually very likely.
Bioware has proved time and again that they care about these kind of things, and I'm sure they'd pander to the audience. ME3 is a great example of that. They even brought back the elusive Morinth (although not in a happy way).

Just for fun... here's my guesses of what happens to some returning characters:

• Some indiscretions say you will start as an Inquisitor (Church and Templars have separated) and intervene in the Mages vs Templars civil war. So I'm guessing Leliana will be in your party from the start. She's to DA what Liara is to ME, Bioware loves her, and she's already mixed with this main (?) storyline.
• Cassandra Pentaghast will probably be there with you from the start, too. She's in Leliana's same faction, she's had a mayor role in DA2, but was only presented as a character that has still to make an impact. It was a preview. Oh, and they even gave her her own comic book (IIRC).
• Another indiscretion said we will visit several parts of Thedas (Orlais, Ferelden, Tevinter, etc...). My guess is that, roughly "1/4 into the game", Isabela will become a party member. With her, you get access to her ship (she has a ship now), and with that ship, you will reach other nations.
• Sebastian will have a big role, as part of the anti-mages faction. Possibly a companion if and only if you choose to side with the Templars.
• Anders will have a similar role, on the other side of the civil war. Possibly a companion if and only if you choose to side with the Mages. Yes, I know there is one instance where he can die. However, his "execution" was poorly...a-hem... executed. His wound might be fatal, but not one that gives you an instant death. He's left on the floor, bleeding... and he's a healer. I smell another surprise return for our favourite happy-go-lucky guy turned mass murderer. And it would still be much more believable than Leliana's.
• If my above guess is right (Anders), I'm gonna bet that Wynne (if she's alive from the previous DA:O playthrough) is making an appearance, too (NPC). She'd be the leader of the "moderate" faction of the mages, and would confront Anders (Justice vs Faith!!), leader of the extremists. How violent or how pacific that confrontation will be, as usual, would depend on the player's action.
• Morrigan will come back, carrying her newborn (?) Godchild. This could go several different ways, depending on how much Bioware wants to focus on this storyline in this game. She could be a companion, a temporary companion or an important NPC (or a foe) if this storyline takes a mayor role. Instead, she could make a very small cameo if she's there only to reminds us that this sub-plot is still going, but is not explored fully in this game, and we might see her in a DA4 (*drool*).
• The lives of Sketch & Finn, an apostate always on the run and a pampered tower mage who's afraid of everything, will be turned upside down by the civil war. These two characters so "not fit for fighting" will probably be not companions, but at the same time, I see them having a role larger than a cameo. You might have to save them (or hunt them down ), and they might even open a magic shop for the mages resistance.
• Jerrik Dace and his Snug, a good idea used only marginally, could come back as temporary character(s) or as cameos, for a smaller sub-plot in the Deep Roads.
• Alistair and Varric could retain their previous roles. They've been pushed lately with the comic books, and their return (one way or another) seems obvious. They would probably both be just plot-related NPCs. If one has to be companion, I say Varric has more chances than Alistair (Alistair has responsabilities).
• Hawke (and not the Warden-Commander) will be a cameo... or possibly even a temporary, quest-related companion (like Tallis in DA2). Why him/her and not the protagonist of DA:O/DA:A? Because of Bioware's interview saying their story are over, but we might see more of Hawke. I don't remember how they worded it in detail, but it sounded like: "No, the Warden is gone, he/she's gonna go die in the Deep Roads pretty soon. Hawke, instead, will not be the protagonist, but was built precisely with the intent of having him/her come back." Also, the ending of DA2 is much more open to Hawke's return than any of the DA:O or DA:A endings are to the return of the Warden-Commander.

That's my 2 cents.
Anybody else wanna play this game?

Modifié par Raistlin82, 11 septembre 2012 - 06:09 .

[unbentbuzzkill]

my ideal returning characters to return in dragon age 3 would be
1. varric and pghern ( the only dwarves i actually like )
2. leliana (because i think she's a spy in DA:O)
3. that crazy elf from dragon age awakening the one with the sister complex.
4. merril ( it would be interesting to see how the warden reacts to her if he does come back)
5. bethany
6. morrigan because i honestly don't see how the story will continue without her (remember the dark ritual is cannon in DA2)

[Crimson Moon]

Raistlin82 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

I'd love to see many cameos. I liked how ME3 had a lot of characters not so much as a party members, but are seen playing their role in the galactic struggle and you happen to go to the places they have their role. Stuff like that would be appreciated.

I agree.

Not to extent ME3 did it though. No need to feel like its just copying ME3 in total.

Of course not. Not to the extent of ME3. To a BIGGER extent.
Lemme explain.

In ME, a maximum of 2 out of 6 of your companions could be dead by the end of the game.
In ME2, potentially all 12 of your companions (2 of which are returning from ME) could be dead (although not all in the same playthrough).
So you reach the third game with only 2 companions that SURELY survived (Liara and the Virmire survivor).
That's why they only brought back Tali and Garrus as "optional" (because they were there from the beginning), and gave us 3 brand new squad members.

In DA:O, 6 out of 10 companions could die (I'm counting Morrigan as surviving, because even in the "worst" WH ending, she doesn't get a "sure kill" scene; I'm also counting Leliana as surviving, because of the ret-con in DA2; I'm counting Alistair as surviving because of the ret-con in DA: The Silent Grove and DA: Those Who Speak).
In DA: A, 5 out of 7 companions could or will "die" (I'm counting Anders as surviving because of the ret-con in DA2; also I can't find definite proof that Oghren can die defending the Vigil, so I'll count him as surviving).
In DA: GoA, only 1 out of 3 companions will die (the stupid golem).
In DA: WH, all 3 companions will survive (and if Dog died before, you get a new, substitute Dog).
In DA 2, a maximum of 5 out of 10 companions could die (and even then, Anders' death scene is somehow suspicious).
So, at the end of these 3 games, you have 15 companions that SURELY survived.
Add 2 more since in DA, unlike ME, the main character changes at every game, so the previous two main characters (the Warden-Commander and Hawke) may count as additional companions.
For a total of 17 SURVIVING COMPANIONS (while everybody else, whose death is in the air, can still make a cameo): Warden-Commander, Morrigan, Leliana, Alistair, Oghren, Anders, Jerrik, Brogan, Ariane, Finn, Dog, Hawke, Aveline, Isabela, Sebastian, Varric, Tallis.
And that's not even counting temporary companions, Leliana's Song companions or Dragon Age Legends companions.

A lot of game content can be built around 17 characters that are surely alive (at least for the time being), as opposed to the 2 of ME, whether you use them as companions or as "regular" NPCs.

Add to that that the main quest and some of the side quests in DA3 might, possibly, involve:
1) Mages vs Templars war
2) Qunari invasion
3) Morrigan's Godchild
4) Corypheus (and possibly the Architect) and the "intelligent" Darkspawn threat (who said Geth?)

...and you see that ANY of the possible returning characters can be linked to one or more of these sub-plots, as well as ANY of the possibly dead ones. Try it. It's actually a fun exercise.

So yeah... at least cameos for everybody are a must.

Just so you know, most of DA comics are not canon as stated officially, they're Bioware canon meaning that they just pick a storypath to write for. If we go by the book's cannon, Wynne and Shale would be alive as well.

David Gaider stated that
"The nature of a novel means it must establish its own canon, and the novel's canon has no relation to the game's canon"

They are alternative timelines which are different from the player's own cannon in the game.

Alistair could still die in the first game if the warden so choose. There is nothing contradict his death in DA2. Leliana and Anders are the only retcons I know for certain, but Anders could still die in Dragon Age 2, so I doubt they'll bring him back after the commotions with Lelianna's resurrection, maybe for a small cutscene or a quest if the player decides to spare him like with Zevran.

Modifié par Crimson Moon, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:14 .

[jackofalltrades456]

Anders: Despite Gaider's statement, Anders is going to return in some form in Dragon Age 3. If he was killed then he'll just appear fully possessed by Justice. That being said, I doubt they'll give him a major role.

Leliana: If you asked me a few months ago, I would have loved to see the return of my Warden's lover. Now I'm just hoping she'll only appear as a minor unromancable npc. I've been getting this bad feeling that she'll get messed up in Dragon Age 3 from silly writing (The second Andraste, romancable Companion, blowing up a circle tower for no raisin.)

Cassandra: She's going to be a major companion in Dragon Age 3. She had a major role in Dragon Age 2, her own movie, and appeared in a novel by David Gaider. Cassandra will probably be one of the first followers in the game.

Cullen: With the large amount of followers he seemed to have gain from Dragon Age 2, it would be odd for him not to appear as a companion/LI.

[happy_daiz]

The only ones I'd like to see return are:

Sigrun
Shale
Cullen
Nathaniel Howe
Cassandra
Isabela
Sebastian (if they remove the chastity belt or the stick)
Sten

Modifié par happy_daiz, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:38 .

[Raistlin82]

Crimson Moon wrote...

Just so you know, most of DA comics are not canon as stated officially, they're Bioware canon meaning that they just pick a storypath to write for. If we go by the book's cannon, Wynne and Shale would be alive as well.

Thank you for the clarification. Yeah, I guess that by this reasoning those two would be alive as well.

I doubt they'll bring him back after the commotions with Lelianna's resurrection, maybe for a small cutscene or a quest if the player decides to spare him like with Zevran.

I disagree.
As I said before, Anders' "death" was handled in a very ambiguous way, to leave all doors open to future use of the character and exactly to PREVENT commotions like that one with Leliana:

• He sits down to be executed, but instead of beheading him, Hawke stabs him in the back.
• Once.
• He falls down.
• The last we see him, he's still alive, suffering.
• Hawke & Co. leave (in a matter of very few seconds).
• Fade to black.
• PS: he's a HEALER.

Detective work aside... those characters who are more popular get more chances to come back, regardless of their current situation. Period.
It's just that simple.
It's worked with Leliana before, and it will probably work for Anders, Varric, Alistair...

[Crimson Moon]

Raistlin82 wrote...

Crimson Moon wrote...

Just so you know, most of DA comics are not canon as stated officially, they're Bioware canon meaning that they just pick a storypath to write for. If we go by the book's cannon, Wynne and Shale would be alive as well.

Thank you for the clarification. Yeah, I guess that by this reasoning those two would be alive as well.

I doubt they'll bring him back after the commotions with Lelianna's resurrection, maybe for a small cutscene or a quest if the player decides to spare him like with Zevran.

I disagree.
As I said before, Anders' "death" was handled in a very ambiguous way, to leave all doors open to future use of the character and exactly to PREVENT commotions like that one with Leliana:

• He sits down to be executed, but instead of beheading him, Hawke stabs him in the back.
• Once.
• He falls down.
• The last we see him, he's still alive, suffering.
• Hawke & Co. leave (in a matter of very few seconds).
• Fade to black.
• PS: he's a HEALER.

Detective work aside... those characters who are more popular get more chances to come back, regardless of their current situation. Period.
It's just that simple.
It's worked with Leliana before, and it will probably work for Anders, Varric, Alistair...

Did i mention you can explode Anders' body into many pieces if you decide to side with the Templars and fight him later on? Stabbing Anders is just one of the possible deaths for him. I would at least hope Bioware respects the players decision the next time they decide to include dead characters.

[StaceysChain]

For DA3 companions:

Cassandra: I agree with jackofalltrades456. I hope she is a companion and Love Interest.

Tallis: She was so much fun in MotA and had a more interesting backstory and characterization than most of the DA2 companions put together. I hope she also is a companion and love interest, it'll be interesting to see more of her character develop, since she had conflicting views on the Qun and the rest of the world.

Varric: I don't think his story is over yet.

NPCs:

Leliana: I think with her cameos in DA2 and Asunder, she'll be somewhat important in DA3.

Alistair/Anora - I think whoever was made Ferelden's ruler would make an interesting cameo.

Cullen - enough has already been said.

Shale.

Bethany/Carver - this could be interesting, they could either be in a quest relating to whichever fraction they support or a quest relating to the Grey Wardens.

Morrigan - need I say more?

Modifié par StaceysChain, 12 septembre 2012 - 11:39 .

[mousestalker]

It would pretty neat to have Varric, Sigrun and Shale (either redwarfed or still engolemed) all as team mates and companions.

That being said, all new companions could be nice as well, as long as Bioware maintains and improves upon their high standards for companion character development.

[Maria Caliban]

None of them unless the plot is served by having them.

[hoorayforicecream]

As companions, Charade and Cassandra, perhaps. For cameos, as many of them as they have time for as long as they respect the decisions of my game import.

[TheImmortalBeaver]

I'd like to see almost everyone return in some format, but unless we play Hawke or the Hero of Fereldan again, not as companions. The lack of returning companions from ME2 to ME3 really annoyed me, but if we're playing a different character in DA3, I actually wouldn't previous characters to return as companions. People like Varric, Merrill and Morrigan are part of the old teams, and should stay as such in the story.

...I wouldn't mind having Bianca as a companion, though. You can never have too much Bianca.

[Xewaka]

Cassandra. As the main player character.
I mean, if they're going to keep going down the cinematic route, might as well do it properly

[Renmiri1]

Misterpinky0 wrote...

...I wouldn't mind having Bianca as a companion, though. You can never have too much Bianca.

She is taken though 

[Crimson Moon]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Misterpinky0 wrote...

...I wouldn't mind having Bianca as a companion, though. You can never have too much Bianca.

She is taken though 

Tell that to Isabela.

[isaa109]

OGHREN!!!
ISABELA!!!
FIRST ENCHANTER IRVINGS GHOST!!!
and also maybe oghren's child (as companion)

[XOGHunter246]

Varric should come back with Oghren! Nobody else should come back as companion maybe Cannon characters.

[Raistlin82]

Maria Caliban wrote...

None of them unless the plot is served by having them.

Which plot?
The mages vs templars civil war (hinted to be the main one, or at least the "starting" one)?
The intelligent darkspawn threat (hinted in Awakening and DA2: Legacy)?
The Qunari invasion threat (hinted in DA2)?
Or Morrigan's baby Godchild (hinted in DA:O and Witch Hunt)?

Because most of them are already deeply involved with such plots.

Warden-Commander: darkspawn, possibly godchild, civil war.
Morrigan: godchild, darkspawn.
Leliana: civil war.
Alistair: civil war, darkspawn, possibly qunari.
Wynne: civil war.
Sten: qunari.
Oghren: darkspawn.
Sigrun: darkspawn.
Nathaniel: darkspawn.
Velanna: civil war, darkspawn.
Anders: civil war, darkspawn.
Finn: civil war.
Hawke: civil war, qunari, possibly darkspawn.
Bethany / Carver: civil war, darkspawn.
Sebastian: civil war.
Isabela: qunari.
Merrill: civil war.
Fenris: civil war.
Tallis: qunari.

Dog, Shale, Zevran, the Dace brothers, Ariane, Aveline and Varric are not directly mixed with any of these storylines, but that doesn't mean they can't be made to be in the sequel, like they've been in the past.


PS: I noticed that so far I was just speculating on "who is surely still alive" first, and "who might be involved with the plot" later, but I avoided the main question of this thread, which is who I WANT to come back as companions.
Here:

Leliana, Morrigan, Alistair, Zevran, Shale, Oghren, Wynne from DA:O.
Sigrun, Nathaniel, Anders from DA:A.
Jerrik from GoA.
Ariane from WH.
Hawke, Bethany, Isabela, Merrill, Tallis, Varric from DA2.

Modifié par Raistlin82, 14 septembre 2012 - 12:49 .

[ImperatorMortis]

None of them, and most certainly not sandal.

[Battlebloodmage]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

None of them, and most certainly not sandal.

Enchantment?