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Stanley Woo

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I'm always surprised when people say such things in a forum like this, to a developer, when they're looking for a job in the industry. Sure, no HR Manager or Recruiter is hanging out on the forums looking for potential hires, but it's not like your behaviour on a developer's forum is never going to come up in conversation.

Yes, game development is the dream job for a lot of people. You're making videogames, for Pete's sake! You're part of the team that makes the kind of games you played, enjoyed, wore out, beat, couldn't beat, shared with friends and family, and saved your money to pick up! that's pretty awesome! But look at it from the other side. Game development is a job like any other. There's a whole lot of work involved, a lot of late nights and long meetings and more paperwork than you'd expect. You're collaborating with dozens of people across many departments, putting this giant multi-million-dollar project together over the course of 2-3 years. Yes, you can have fun, but it's still a job with bosses and deadlines and millions upon millions of gamers will be scrutinizing your work and coming to post their rants and raves in forums just like this one when the game is released.

If you can't handle that, if you're not up to that challenge, you should probably find something else to do until you're ready.

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I personally can't imagine the challenges and work ahead of me but regardless, I will not stop my efforts until the day I work for a video game company as richly filled with ideas and development as this one. I don't say this to sound like a fanboy, but it's true.

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Stanley Woo wrote...

I'm always surprised when people say such things in a forum like this, to a developer, when they're looking for a job in the industry. Sure, no HR Manager or Recruiter is hanging out on the forums looking for potential hires, but it's not like your behaviour on a developer's forum is never going to come up in conversation.

Yes, game development is the dream job for a lot of people. You're making videogames, for Pete's sake! You're part of the team that makes the kind of games you played, enjoyed, wore out, beat, couldn't beat, shared with friends and family, and saved your money to pick up! that's pretty awesome! But look at it from the other side. Game development is a job like any other. There's a whole lot of work involved, a lot of late nights and long meetings and more paperwork than you'd expect. You're collaborating with dozens of people across many departments, putting this giant multi-million-dollar project together over the course of 2-3 years. Yes, you can have fun, but it's still a job with bosses and deadlines and millions upon millions of gamers will be scrutinizing your work and coming to post their rants and raves in forums just like this one when the game is released.

If you can't handle that, if you're not up to that challenge, you should probably find something else to do until you're ready.

This is also what i use in some random arguments at the end of the day. I tell them at the end of the day bioware is still a business and they have more things too account for. They are a game developer yes but also a business. I love it 

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Sedman211 wrote...

I personally can't imagine the challenges and work ahead of me but regardless, I will not stop my efforts until the day I work for a video game company as richly filled with ideas and development as this one. I don't say this to sound like a fanboy, but it's true.

i don't think you sound like a fanboy. You are just doing what you are passionate about and that is awesome

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FemaleMageFan wrote...

Sedman211 wrote...

I personally can't imagine the challenges and work ahead of me but regardless, I will not stop my efforts until the day I work for a video game company as richly filled with ideas and development as this one. I don't say this to sound like a fanboy, but it's true.

i don't think you sound like a fanboy. You are just doing what you are passionate about and that is awesome

I agree with FemaleMageFan. There is nothing wrong with dedication, passion, and having goals. You just need to ensure that the goals are realistic and/or the effort you put into learning and perfecting your art is commensurate with the size of that goal. The bigger the goal, the harder you have to work to reach it.

I think you'll find that many game development studios are full of creativity and passion and love of games. Don't think that it's something unique to BioWare.

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So I haven't taken any core classes yet, but which degree would give me a better understanding of video game coding? Computer Science or Computer Engineering with possible Software Engineering stacked onto that?

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Sedman211 wrote...

So I haven't taken any core classes yet, but which degree would give me a better understanding of video game coding? Computer Science or Computer Engineering with possible Software Engineering stacked onto that?


-the latter based on my knowledge of what the courses within each constitute, although myself I've only got minimal skills within said field, and the engineering component is very specific to the direction you are going, so if you want that route you should make certain you have the necessary software based courses that lead into game design, otherwise you should go the route of computer science, additionally do not "take the easy way out" when it comes to electives or something of that nature, otherwise you will end up with a very limited skillset and not be very marketable

-this may help you decide though

http://www.eng.buffa...grees/cs-vs-cen

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directed towards Mr. Woo

i am very interested in the gaming business. think it would be perfect for me. all i need are the skills to actually start. i was looking at different schools and i found pixel blue college here in edmonton. it seems like a great school to get my education at, but i was wondering what you personally think about it. should i choose a more credible school? do they teach the right things? is there a school out there that would look better on a resume?

thank you immensely

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tommyp_33 wrote...

directed towards Mr. Woo

i am very interested in the gaming business. think it would be perfect for me. all i need are the skills to actually start. i was looking at different schools and i found pixel blue college here in edmonton. it seems like a great school to get my education at, but i was wondering what you personally think about it.

What I think about a particular school has absolutely no bearing on your career. It's your money, you are doing the research to find a school that's right for you, and you will be doing all the work. You shouldn't care a whit what I or anyone else think, if you truly believe that this is how you want to achieve your goals. As I have always said, there is no one true/real/best way to get into the industry.

should i choose a more credible school? do they teach the right things? is there a school out there that would look better on a resume?

I don't know. You're the one doing the research into your career. Did you read the advice coluns at Sloperama? He's written several advice columns on finding schools and programs.

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I used to create heroes for DotA, although none of my heroes are ever implemented, but some of heroes skills in DotA actually are taken from my idea (at least i believe that lols). in DotA everybody can create their own heroes, making the templates, discuss, debate, it is all in Hero Suggestion and Skill Suggestion forum in DotA...the competition is hard and tough, but everybody doing it for free and for fun only...the best idea will be implemented in the game

Bioware doesn't interested in making like such thing?

At least out of all the ideas from fans, some of it are original and never see before in games.

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Sedman211 wrote...

So I haven't taken any core classes yet, but which degree would give me a better understanding of video game coding? Computer Science or Computer Engineering with possible Software Engineering stacked onto that?

compuer engineering is a different field from computer science. In computer engineering you will be looking at products/problems from a circuitory,low level hardware perspective. Computer science is a bit more broad and abstract.  It is divided
-----> Theoretical computer science
includes automata theory, algorithm analysis, numerical analysis,e.t.c 
This section focuses on classic theories that developed these concepts used in computer science. Experts suggest that this section is where the real computer scientists are<my favorite section actually, the stuff in here is amazing>
Usually from a mathematical and abstract view
-----> Applied computer science
Artificial intelligence,computer graphics,computer architecture,software engineering, information science
These is where concepts of computer science are applied to different constructs that we have in our life. It is also a pretty broad section.

Computer science has still got more to discover and more areas that are available for you to explore.  To answer your question video game design is a mixture of a lot of concepts in computer science. I would recommend you do some research first then choose your courses because this field is too broad. Good luck friend :wizard:

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Stanley Woo wrote...

Please come back after checking out Sloperama. i'd be happy to discuss this further with any interested persons.

I do have a question. If I have an idea for a game, and I'm willing to put in the effort to write one of these "game design documents" in support of my idea for this game, is there some kind of channel through which I might submit that to Bioware? I know there's no chute to drop it in with a money pile right next to it, but I have been kicking one around lately that I think has potential.

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Megaton_Hope wrote...
do have a question. If I have an idea for a game, and I'm willing to put in the effort to write one of these "game design documents" in support of my idea for this game, is there some kind of channel through which I might submit that to Bioware? I know there's no chute to drop it in with a money pile right next to it, but I have been kicking one around lately that I think has potential.

Yes. You would get a job in the game development industry, either as a member of a dev team or as an indie develeoper, work for a number of years to get some credits under your belt, and then, one day, after you've worked a few years, you would apply to BioWare as a designer of some kind. Once established there, you would pitch your GDD.

Basically, if you want your game idea to get made, you either have to do it yourself or work long enough in the industry to get people to take you seriously.

If you haven't already written a game design document, then you shouldn't even be asking the question, because you haven't actually done any of the work yet.

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I get where you're coming from there, I suppose, but while an existing career in the game industry might signal commitment to a career in the game industry, I personally wouldn't rely on it as a yardstick for ability. Sloper's original boardgame idea might have been a good one that nobody'd take a risk on.