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[Praetor Knight]

Wulfram wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

I don't see why we need to have space swashbuckling though, parrying with blades and all seems a bit unnecessary to me.

If the enemy is trying to stab you, then being able to parry him seems distinctly necessary.

Right, but not necessarily with the omni-blade itself. There are ways to ward off someone trying to stab you, that does not require the use of a blade, as in fencing.

[silentassassin264]

In the event Jedi/sith entered the ME universe, omniblades would all start fabricating cortosis weave making the point moot.

[crimzontearz]

silentassassin264 wrote...
In the event Jedi/sith entered the ME universe, omniblades would all start fabricating cortosis weave making the point moot.

and some Cerberus scientist would try to make human children snort Reaperized Midichlorians to improve the human condition and secure dominance

[Stanley Woo]

Comparison and analysis of the similarities and differences between the two technologies may make for a fine discussion, but as soon as this becomes a "which is better?" or "which would win in a fight?" discussion, it will get closed.

[OmegaBlue0231]

I think the better question is, who would win the battle between biotics and the force to get close enough to deliver a killing blow.

[crimzontearz]

Stanley Woo wrote...
Comparison and analysis of the similarities and differences between the two technologies may make for a fine discussion, but as soon as this becomes a "which is better?" or "which would win in a fight?" discussion, it will get closed.

hey did you see that discovery channel thing about this one Asian scientist who says he could build a real lightsabre?

[1136342t54_]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

I think the Omni-Tool like most holographic things in ME is semi physical. It feels solid but when enough force is applied your hand will go through, becoming a complete hologram. Maybe that's how the omni-blade actually works? Honestly I don't really know.

Actually due to the Omni-Tool's mini facturing capablity it creates a blade and make it as hard as diamond. It also is super heated so it uses its cutting ability and heat to kill the target. It was made due to Alliance soldiers constantly fighting husks in close quarters they needed a weapon that could be used to kill quickly up close. 

I will have to find the actual codex entry though but that is a quick summary of what I remember.

[crimzontearz]

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...
I think the better question is, who would win the battle between biotics and the force to get close enough to deliver a killing blow.

gee.....since the force has no technical upper limit I'd say that's not even worth asking

[1136342t54_]

I'd say the omni-blade is better. While both requires training for combat usage a light saber is far more difficult to use and more dangerous to yourself and the enemy. Although in a fight with a Jedi I'd rather use a light saber.

[Wulfram]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Right, but not necessarily with the omni-blade itself. There are ways to ward off someone trying to stab you, that does not require the use of a blade, as in fencing.

Yes, but you'll still be at considerable disadvantage compared to someone who does have that capability.

My big concern with the Omniblade is that if it's only 1 molecule thick it seems like it must be brittle, and thus any successful parry is likely to leave you disarmed and vulnerable - if only temporarily since your omnitool can make a new one.

It's probably a decent choice if you're taking the enemy unawares, but otherwise it seems like you're better off using a bayonet.

[1136342t54_]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Comparison and analysis of the similarities and differences between the two technologies may make for a fine discussion, but as soon as this becomes a "which is better?" or "which would win in a fight?" discussion, it will get closed.

I'm not trying to be snarky or anything, but that's kind of what the thread title says...

Actually what Stanley Woo is saying can easily be included in such a debate. The only way we can see which is better in certain combat or just plain technologically better we would ned to find the similarities and differences in the 2 pieces of tech. 

It doesn't have to be a direct versus in a form of which would win in combat. It could be which is more pheasible or logical to use in certain combat situations. Personally I'd take a Omni-Blade even though it would still lose if it had to block a light saber. 

[Praetor Knight]

Wulfram wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Right, but not necessarily with the omni-blade itself. There are ways to ward off someone trying to stab you, that does not require the use of a blade, as in fencing.

Yes, but you'll still be at considerable disadvantage compared to someone who does have that capability.

My big concern with the Omniblade is that if it's only 1 molecule thick it seems like it must be brittle, and thus any successful parry is likely to leave you disarmed and vulnerable - if only temporarily since your omnitool can make a new one.

It's probably a decent choice if you're taking the enemy unawares, but otherwise it seems like you're better off using a bayonet.

Someone with Mass posted the entry on the first page, there a line there that the intention is for an enemy to believe that the Alliance trooper is unarmed, and with it being different between the classes I think only the Sentinel and Soldier are confirmed to use an actual blade so far anyway.

And that blade might be a tad flexible since it's mentioned to be flash-forged and is searing hot too.

[1136342t54_]

Luc0s wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Comparison and analysis of the similarities and differences between the two technologies may make for a fine discussion, but as soon as this becomes a "which is better?" or "which would win in a fight?" discussion, it will get closed.

Hey Stanley, can anyone on the BioWare team explain to us what omni-tools really are and how they really work?


I'm kinda confused that the Mass Effect novels describe omi-tools as physical objects that the characters have to store in their pocket after using it, while in the video-games they appear to be holographic and simply disappear in thin air after using it. Can anyone explain this?

Found it!

WARNING IF YOU CONSIDER CODEX INFO ON THIS SPOILERS DON'T READ!!!















Omniblade
Although melee-combat applications for the omni-tool are almost as old as the device itself, the feature was largely unused prior to the Reaper invasion. The need to take on multiple husks in close quarters forced the Alliance to develop ways to enhance the tool’s offensive capability.

The most common melee design is the “omni-blade,” a disposable silicon-carbide weapon flash-forged by the tool’s mini-fabricator. The transparent, nearly diamond-hard blade is created and suspended in a mass effect field safely away from the user’s skin. Warning lights illuminate the field so the searing-hot blade only burns what it is intended to: the opponent.

More technically-adept soldiers frequently modify their omni-tools to maximize stopping power through electrical, kinetic, or thermal energy. Some troops integrate the weapon with their kinetic barriers, transforming the omni-tool into a wrist-mounted bludgeon; others fabricate flammable gases, held in place by a mass effect field and ignited upon impact. All prove deadly surprises for opponents who expect a disarmed Alliance warrior.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 12 janvier 2012 - 12:30 .

[Nashiktal]

First off for the benefit of those who don't know, the actual omnitool (and blade) are NOT holographic despite what marketing has called it. The actual omnitool is actually unseen and is a small device within the hand, while the orange "hologram" we see is actually the GUI. And before you ask, yes you can interact with holograms, there is technology today that is actually experimenting with such interactions. Any physical action the tool does is by the "invisible" physical components.

The blade is also not holographic, it is a molecule thick blade manufactured by the omnitool's minifacturing capabilities that has actually been outlined since ME1 in the codex.

Wulfram wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Right, but not necessarily with the omni-blade itself. There are ways to ward off someone trying to stab you, that does not require the use of a blade, as in fencing.

Yes, but you'll still be at considerable disadvantage compared to someone who does have that capability.

My big concern with the Omniblade is that if it's only 1 molecule thick it seems like it must be brittle, and thus any successful parry is likely to leave you disarmed and vulnerable - if only temporarily since your omnitool can make a new one.

It's probably a decent choice if you're taking the enemy unawares, but otherwise it seems like you're better off using a bayonet.

The omniblade, if it really is a molecule thick, would not be able to parry. The enemy's weapon would probably be sliced right through (still probably hurting the user of the omniblade). Not sure about the strength of the blade itself, but such blades were used in KOTOR to fight lightsabers if memory serves correctly.

[Bogsnot1]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I appologize, everyone. I really do. But everytime I see this, I feel obliged to mention it.

crimzontearz wrote...

vanguard biotic punch > all

Biotic fisting!

I guess thats what Kelly first found attractive about Asari, with them beig natural biotics and all.

....I'll get my coat.

[DiebytheSword]

Nashiktal wrote...

First off for the benefit of those who don't know, the actual omnitool (and blade) are NOT holographic despite what marketing has called it. The actual omnitool is actually unseen and is a small device within the hand, while the orange "hologram" we see is actually the GUI. And before you ask, yes you can interact with holograms, there is technology today that is actually experimenting with such interactions. Any physical action the tool does is by the "invisible" physical components.

The blade is also not holographic, it is a molecule thick blade manufactured by the omnitool's minifacturing capabilities that has actually been outlined since ME1 in the codex.

Wulfram wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Right, but not necessarily with the omni-blade itself. There are ways to ward off someone trying to stab you, that does not require the use of a blade, as in fencing.

Yes, but you'll still be at considerable disadvantage compared to someone who does have that capability.

My big concern with the Omniblade is that if it's only 1 molecule thick it seems like it must be brittle, and thus any successful parry is likely to leave you disarmed and vulnerable - if only temporarily since your omnitool can make a new one.

It's probably a decent choice if you're taking the enemy unawares, but otherwise it seems like you're better off using a bayonet.

The omniblade, if it really is a molecule thick, would not be able to parry. The enemy's weapon would probably be sliced right through (still probably hurting the user of the omniblade). Not sure about the strength of the blade itself, but such blades were used in KOTOR to fight lightsabers if memory serves correctly.

I believe the Sith of the old times used alchemically sharpened swords with reflective coating that was used to deflect the directed energy of the lightsaber.

That said, there is no reason why an omni blade couldn't manufacture that itself.

[1136342t54_]

Luc0s wrote...

Still doesn't explain how omni-tools themselves actually work.

Why is it that the books/novels describe omni-tools as physical objects that physically needs to be stored away, while in the video-games they look like holographic projections that appears out of thin air when used?


It's not a retcon or anything, because in all 3 books the omni-tools are physical devices that needs to be physically stored away in a pocket or on a belt, yet in the games they look not physical at all and disappear in thin air when the user is done with it.

Then go read the codex. This about the Omni-Blade not the Omni-Tool itself. Plus the codex does essentially explain why it comes out of thin air. Some people actually have implants with in their hands and arms so they can use the Omni-Tool in any place at anytime or others where gloves. I'd bet a combat suit contains a Omni-Tool in the Gauntlet.

[crimzontearz]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Very nice, very nice. +1

awwww mine was not?

[Praetor Knight]

Luc0s wrote...

Still doesn't explain how omni-tools themselves actually work.

Why is it that the books/novels describe omni-tools as physical objects that physically needs to be stored away, while in the video-games they look like holographic projections that appears out of thin air when used?


It's not a retcon or anything, because in all 3 books the omni-tools are physical devices that needs to be physically stored away in a pocket or on a belt, yet in the games they look not physical at all and disappear in thin air when the user is done with it.

I think some of the devices of the Omni-Tools are intergrated into the armor, while other components don't have to be, and may simply have a wireless or bluetooth-esque interconnectivity with the microframe and the holographic interface that we see in the game.

Here's the Codex Entry

Omni-Tool

Omni-tools are handheld devices that combine a computer microframe, sensor analysis pack, and minifacturing fabricator. Versatile and reliable, an omni-tool can be used to analyze and adjust the functionality of most standard equipment, including weapons and armor, from a distance.

The fabrication module can rapidly assemble small three-dimensional objects from common, reusable industrial plastics, ceramics, and light alloys. This allows for field repairs and modifications to most standard items, as well as the reuse of salvaged equipment.

Omni-tools are standard issue for soldiers and first-in colonists.