Flemeth featured prominently in DA2's marketing, but her main effect on the game appears to be bringing Hawke to Kirkwall. Perhaps she foresaw that he would meet Varric and go into the Deep Roads to collect the idol, and that that would also put him in contact with Anders, who would spark the big war...but she didn't really do anything to bring those things about. The only companion she directly brought in touch with Hawke was Merrill. And with Merrill posessing the Eluvian, I can postulate that Flemeth wanted her to complete her work because Flemeth might then be able to use the Eluvian to go after Morrigan. But there's no ending that allows Merrill to succeed, so if that was her plan, it didn't work. Of course, that theory begs the question of why Flemeth can't take the Eluvian from Merrill and finish the job herself, so maybe Merrill's Eluvian didn't matter to Flemeth.
Still, it bothers me that whereas in DA:O, it's very clear what she sought from saving the Warden, it's far from clear what she gained from saving Hawke. Even if you assume that she wanted the mage/Templar war, Hawke's role in its inception seems incidental rather than pivotal.
So...did Flemeth's plan fail in DA2?
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 12:02
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Morrigan thought she wanted immortality but she was wrong and Flemeth can turn into a dragon and all the archdemons were dragons meaning she could be an old god and so when she put hawke in contact with Anders and cause the war she can now distract Thedas and start another Blight and everyone will be weak from the war but thats just my theory
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 12:03
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Flemeth's appearance in DA2 was just marketing and a cheap way to superficially try to make it seem like DAO and DA2 take place in the same universe.
She really served no purpose in DA2 besides spewing her typical inane bull**** which causes people to think it all has some deep meaning and that the writers/devs have some grand scheme with her when it seems clear they're winging it.
She really served no purpose in DA2 besides spewing her typical inane bull**** which causes people to think it all has some deep meaning and that the writers/devs have some grand scheme with her when it seems clear they're winging it.
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 12:04
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Brockololly wrote...
She really served no purpose in DA2 *.
She did save Hawke from the darkspawn
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 12:05
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Perhaps Flemeth isn't quite done with Hawke. And that Hawke, as a person of influence and infamy, will still be needed - will still be a piece placed on the grand chessboard.
I think she knew that certain events would fall into place with Hawke's arrival in Kirkwall - be it the idol, or the mage-templar schism. Something within those events is most likely what she was hoping to have come to fruition. I just don't think we know yet. Since she most likely sees time across grand vistas, she could have been putting events into motion for something a decade yet down the line.
In the very least, Flemeth needed safe transport to Sundermount for that wee piece of her essence.
I think she knew that certain events would fall into place with Hawke's arrival in Kirkwall - be it the idol, or the mage-templar schism. Something within those events is most likely what she was hoping to have come to fruition. I just don't think we know yet. Since she most likely sees time across grand vistas, she could have been putting events into motion for something a decade yet down the line.
In the very least, Flemeth needed safe transport to Sundermount for that wee piece of her essence.
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 12:05
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Tartan1456 wrote...
Brockololly wrote...
She really served no purpose in DA2 *.
She did save Hawke from the darkspawn
Again, she served no purpose in DA2.
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 12:09
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Judging from Flemeth's dialogue when she first encounters Hawke ("Is it fate or chance? I can never decide"), I don't think she actually intended for their meeting to occur. It was as said; she just happened to be flying by and Hawke's defeat of the ogre sparked her curiousity.
Due to her (limited) ability to see the future, however, she got a sense of Hawke's future and saw it as a convenient opportunity to set up her own escape from Ferelden/resurrection in another land. Maybe Flemeth even saw her role in getting Hawke to Kirkwall as destiny.
That said, I don't think Hawke's actions in DA2 beyond bringing her amulet to Sundermount has any bearing on Flemeth's plans. It might, but I don't get that vibe. Flemeth is playing at some grander scheme that we have yet to figure out.
Due to her (limited) ability to see the future, however, she got a sense of Hawke's future and saw it as a convenient opportunity to set up her own escape from Ferelden/resurrection in another land. Maybe Flemeth even saw her role in getting Hawke to Kirkwall as destiny.
That said, I don't think Hawke's actions in DA2 beyond bringing her amulet to Sundermount has any bearing on Flemeth's plans. It might, but I don't get that vibe. Flemeth is playing at some grander scheme that we have yet to figure out.
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 12:10
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whykikyouwhy wrote...
Perhaps Flemeth isn't quite done with Hawke. And that Hawke, as a person of influence and infamy, will still be needed - will still be a piece placed on the grand chessboard..
I agree, she might manipulate Hawke into using his/her influence for her evil ways.
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 12:55
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Tartan1456 wrote...
whykikyouwhy wrote...
Perhaps Flemeth isn't quite done with Hawke. And that Hawke, as a person of influence and infamy, will still be needed - will still be a piece placed on the grand chessboard..
I agree, she might manipulate Hawke into using his/her influence for her evil ways.
Since when is Flemeth evil?
We all assume she's evil, because she's super crazy powerful with mysterious motives, but she's only ever helped us out.
The best we can definitively say is that she's self-serving.
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 02:33
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BubbleDncr wrote...
The best we can definitively say is that she's self-serving.
I don't know if we can even say that!
I look forward to seeing her in DA3.
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 03:30
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Brockololly wrote...
Tartan1456 wrote...
Brockololly wrote...
She really served no purpose in DA2 *.
She did save Hawke from the darkspawn
Again, she served no purpose in DA2.
And that act alone might prove that her motives are truly more nefarious than we once thought.
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 03:58
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What plans? She's just dicking around.
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 05:31
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Knowing how things would pan out doesn't mean she necessarily wanted to make them happen.
We dont know what she even IS let alone what she wants, and I don't think her motives for saving the Warden are any clearer than her motives for saving Hawke.
We dont know what she even IS let alone what she wants, and I don't think her motives for saving the Warden are any clearer than her motives for saving Hawke.
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 06:43
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"Do I really look like a woman with a plan, Hawke? I don't have a plan. The Orlesians have plans, the Templar have plans. You know what I am, Hawke? I'm an unexplained horror chasing an unknown goal. I wouldn't know what to do with it if I realized it. I just DO things."
Flemeth in The Dark Champion, one of the finest bard tales in Kirkwall.
Flemeth in The Dark Champion, one of the finest bard tales in Kirkwall.
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 07:05
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"Unrecoverable Error
Plan failed: Abort, Retry, Ignore?
If this problem persists, please contact plan manufacturer.
Log in as Administrator to see event log."
Sorry I just need my morning coffee...
Plan failed: Abort, Retry, Ignore?
If this problem persists, please contact plan manufacturer.
Log in as Administrator to see event log."
Sorry I just need my morning coffee...
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 09:09
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Flemeth's purpose in DA2 was ensuring she would be alive to rescue the protagonist of DA3.
It didn't fail because even though you can tell her you don't want her help she still gives it, despite horrible storms your ship doesn't sink, her talisman doesn't exist as an item so you can't drop it into the Waking Sea or hock it to the first merchant you find, and you won't be permitted to leave on the Deep Roads expedition until you deliver it to Marethari.
Her plan's railroaded to succeed. :/
It didn't fail because even though you can tell her you don't want her help she still gives it, despite horrible storms your ship doesn't sink, her talisman doesn't exist as an item so you can't drop it into the Waking Sea or hock it to the first merchant you find, and you won't be permitted to leave on the Deep Roads expedition until you deliver it to Marethari.
Her plan's railroaded to succeed. :/
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 09:42
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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Flemeth's purpose in DA2 was ensuring she would be alive to rescue the protagonist of DA3.
Ha!
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 10:04
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Asch Lavigne wrote...
Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Flemeth's purpose in DA2 was ensuring she would be alive to rescue the protagonist of DA3.
Ha!
I'm still trying to decide if it'll be 'from darkspawn' again.
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 10:22
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DA2 failed to make sense on any level. My advice, don't strain your head in a futile attempt to apply logic or common sense. Things happen rather because the writers thought 'that would be cool' or 'certainly our audience will think this is cool'. Or 'awesome'. This seems to be the only reasoning to DA2.
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 11:00
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I am beginning to think Flemeth is the main character - but hidden - the whole reason for me in getting DA3 is to see in what way.
She is the one common thread so far... and she is not a normal witch - that much I know and Fenris confirmed my beliefs
She is the one common thread so far... and she is not a normal witch - that much I know and Fenris confirmed my beliefs
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 11:02
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Not being privy to any meetings, brainstorming sessions, or storyboard discussions with the developers and writers, I don't know that I could personally say that elements were added to the narrative just because "that would be cool."AlexXIV wrote...
DA2 failed to make sense on any level. My advice, don't strain your head in a futile attempt to apply logic or common sense. Things happen rather because the writers thought 'that would be cool' or 'certainly our audience will think this is cool'. Or 'awesome'. This seems to be the only reasoning to DA2.
The game may not have appealed to everyone - such is personal taste and opinion. But it's lovely to speculate on plot arcs, especially those involving the Witch of the Wilds.
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 11:08
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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Asch Lavigne wrote...
Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Flemeth's purpose in DA2 was ensuring she would be alive to rescue the protagonist of DA3.
Ha!
I'm still trying to decide if it'll be 'from darkspawn' again.
I think the MC of DA3 will be a refugee from the Qunari attack or the Mage/Templar Act 3 fiasco.
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 07:27
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Before she flew off from Sundermount she did mention something about heading off to fulfill her destiny, so there was some reason, apart from cheating death, that she wanted to be "smuggled" to the Freemarches, which no doubt will be made clearer in DA3.
However, I wondered if her comment about fate or chance referred to her ability to rescue the family of Malcolm Hawke because she was aware that Corypheus was seeking a way out of his prison that involved getting hold of his children's blood.and so when she discovered they were actually intending to travel to Kirkwall, it suited her plans on two levels, saving herself and helping Corypheus, which was also something where you couldn't alter the outcome not matter which side you chose.
So currently the plot lines coming out of DA2 are mage/templar war, qunari spy network intact and Corypheus on the loose. She wouldn't be bothered about the first since she can deal with any templars that come her way, there is no reason she would be interested in the qunari but a body hopping ancient Tevinter Magister would be right up her street.
However, I wondered if her comment about fate or chance referred to her ability to rescue the family of Malcolm Hawke because she was aware that Corypheus was seeking a way out of his prison that involved getting hold of his children's blood.and so when she discovered they were actually intending to travel to Kirkwall, it suited her plans on two levels, saving herself and helping Corypheus, which was also something where you couldn't alter the outcome not matter which side you chose.
So currently the plot lines coming out of DA2 are mage/templar war, qunari spy network intact and Corypheus on the loose. She wouldn't be bothered about the first since she can deal with any templars that come her way, there is no reason she would be interested in the qunari but a body hopping ancient Tevinter Magister would be right up her street.
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 07:35
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Winging it or not, I have faith that the writers will develop her purpose in the DA franchise to be something that will be grand and make sense.
But yes, as of now all she's doing is being her typical, cryptic self.
But yes, as of now all she's doing is being her typical, cryptic self.
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Posté 12 janvier 2012 - 09:03
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Asch Lavigne wrote...
Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
I'm still trying to decide if it'll be 'from darkspawn' again.
I think the MC of DA3 will be a refugee from the Qunari attack or the Mage/Templar Act 3 fiasco.
The wonderful thing about the darkspawn is that they can pop up everywhere.
