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[eye basher]

It doesn't matter what tali looks like she's fan service after all the same as garrus that's the only reason why there in the game anyway just give the fanatics more of what they want but that's what they've been doing anyway but then again the fanatics do complain 24hours a day,all 7 days of the weak and all 365 days of the year.

[Random citizen]

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

I found this on google images, it's supposed to be a human/grey alien hybrid. I sort of imagine Tali to look like this, but with more glowy eyes and maybe without the human hair/eyebrows. Thoughts? http://alien-ufo-res...girl-hybrid.jpg

Yeah, without the human hair/eyebrows, I think its conceptually sound.It would also be a nice touch if the "human part" of her was modeled after Liz, you know as an homage to the good work and pleasent looks of the actual voice actress.

[KadianK]

Random citizen wrote...

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

I found this on google images, it's supposed to be a human/grey alien hybrid. I sort of imagine Tali to look like this, but with more glowy eyes and maybe without the human hair/eyebrows. Thoughts? http://alien-ufo-res...girl-hybrid.jpg

Yeah, without the human hair/eyebrows, I think its conceptually sound.It would also be a nice touch if the "human part" of her was modeled after Liz, you know as an homage to the good work and pleasent looks of the actual voice actress.

BioWare really have already established that Salarians are the Grey-Alien why would they go back on that now?

Another "Theory" that people keep bringing up is that they have to have grey skin 'cause they have had no exposure to sunlight.
This is bobbar. Due to the fact Turians skin is Blue, Grey, Silver, Asari's are blue, purple and with a rare disease can go green.

The Quarians could be any skin colour their "chemical make up" is NOT, I repeat NOT the same as ours.
We have Menalyone in our skin which makes it change colour depending on the level of UV (Sunlight). I'm positive Alien not all alien races will have Menalyone in their skin. (I spelt Menalyone wrong, I'm aware no need to correct, you get the drift, that's how it sounds.)

[someguy1231]

There's no chance in hell Tali's face will be revealed, or any other Quarian for that matter. Bioware knows that nothing could do it justice, and it would ruin much of the character's appeal. It's the same reason Dr Doom's or Master Chief's faces will never be revealed.

[Random citizen]

someguy1231 wrote...

There's no chance in hell Tali's face will be revealed, or any other Quarian for that matter. Bioware knows that nothing could do it justice, and it would ruin much of the character's appeal. It's the same reason Dr Doom's or Master Chief's faces will never be revealed.

I think I have already addressed that. You neutralise fandom anger by pleasing the fandom through using things they recognise as part of the character. Of course you cant make everyone happy, but you know..

[Pee Jae]

It's not a thing, but after 2, I felt kind of cheated. Yeah, *that* moment. I do want to see Tali's face, but only in a moment that makes sense to the character and story. Not forced, in other words.

[someguy1231]

Random citizen wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

There's no chance in hell Tali's face will be revealed, or any other Quarian for that matter. Bioware knows that nothing could do it justice, and it would ruin much of the character's appeal. It's the same reason Dr Doom's or Master Chief's faces will never be revealed.

I think I have already addressed that. You neutralise fandom anger by pleasing the fandom through using things they recognise as part of the character. Of course you cant make everyone happy, but you know..

I guarantee you, no matter what Tali looks like, there'll by far more angry fans than pleased fans. A large part of her popularity is people can picture her looking like however they want. If Bioware reveals her canon appearance, suddenly all of that will be ruined. You greatly underestimate how appealing these "fill-in-the-blank yourselves" characters are. For example, DC Comics has attempted to give The Joker a canon origin before, but none of them have ever stuck or been accepted by fans because his lacking any origin is more fitting for his chaotic nature. Giving Tali a face would be one of the biggest mistakes Bioware could possibly make.

[Luigitornado]

someguy1231 wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

There's no chance in hell Tali's face will be revealed, or any other Quarian for that matter. Bioware knows that nothing could do it justice, and it would ruin much of the character's appeal. It's the same reason Dr Doom's or Master Chief's faces will never be revealed.

I think I have already addressed that. You neutralise fandom anger by pleasing the fandom through using things they recognise as part of the character. Of course you cant make everyone happy, but you know..

I guarantee you, no matter what Tali looks like, there'll by far more angry fans than pleased fans. A large part of her popularity is people can picture her looking like however they want. If Bioware reveals her canon appearance, suddenly all of that will be ruined. You greatly underestimate how appealing these "fill-in-the-blank yourselves" characters are. For example, DC Comics has attempted to give The Joker a canon origin before, but none of them have ever stuck or been accepted by fans because his lacking any origin is more fitting for his chaotic nature. Giving Tali a face would be one of the biggest mistakes Bioware could possibly make.

Screw fans. Bioware are the artists, not the fans. 

Modifié par Luigitornado, 30 janvier 2012 - 09:01 .

[someguy1231]

Luigitornado wrote...

Screw fans. Bioware are the artists, not the fans. 

Didn't stop Bioware from holding a Femshep beauty contest <_<

[Luigitornado]

someguy1231 wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

Screw fans. Bioware are the artists, not the fans. 

Didn't stop Bioware from holding a Femshep beauty contest <_<

Again I say. Screw fans. 

[ttchip]

KadianK wrote...
BioWare really have already established that Salarians are the Grey-Alien why would they go back on that now?

Another "Theory" that people keep bringing up is that they have to have grey skin 'cause they have had no exposure to sunlight.
This is bobbar. Due to the fact Turians skin is Blue, Grey, Silver, Asari's are blue, purple and with a rare disease can go green.

The Quarians could be any skin colour their "chemical make up" is NOT, I repeat NOT the same as ours.
We have Menalyone in our skin which makes it change colour depending on the level of UV (Sunlight). I'm positive Alien not all alien races will have Menalyone in their skin. (I spelt Menalyone wrong, I'm aware no need to correct, you get the drift, that's how it sounds.)

i just wanted to throw in: what you meant was Melanin

[tch2296]

Wow, I had no idea people gave so much thought to something most people would find so trivial. Lol I still have to admit for some reason I read through this entire thread.

I was reading the Ascension novel and there is so much about quarian culture in there that I got curious and wanted to see if there were any actual pictures of them without their mask on. I think it's a great idea for Bioware to keep their face hidden...obviously it just fires up the hardcore fan base even more!

[KadianK]

ttchip wrote...

KadianK wrote...
BioWare really have already established that Salarians are the Grey-Alien why would they go back on that now?

Another "Theory" that people keep bringing up is that they have to have grey skin 'cause they have had no exposure to sunlight.
This is bobbar. Due to the fact Turians skin is Blue, Grey, Silver, Asari's are blue, purple and with a rare disease can go green.

The Quarians could be any skin colour their "chemical make up" is NOT, I repeat NOT the same as ours.
We have Menalyone in our skin which makes it change colour depending on the level of UV (Sunlight). I'm positive Alien not all alien races will have Menalyone in their skin. (I spelt Menalyone wrong, I'm aware no need to correct, you get the drift, that's how it sounds.)

i just wanted to throw in: what you meant was Melanin

Much obligied. =)

[Random citizen]

someguy1231 wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

There's no chance in hell Tali's face will be revealed, or any other Quarian for that matter. Bioware knows that nothing could do it justice, and it would ruin much of the character's appeal. It's the same reason Dr Doom's or Master Chief's faces will never be revealed.

I think I have already addressed that. You neutralise fandom anger by pleasing the fandom through using things they recognise as part of the character. Of course you cant make everyone happy, but you know..

I guarantee you, no matter what Tali looks like, there'll by far more angry fans than pleased fans. A large part of her popularity is people can picture her looking like however they want. If Bioware reveals her canon appearance, suddenly all of that will be ruined. You greatly underestimate how appealing these "fill-in-the-blank yourselves" characters are. For example, DC Comics has attempted to give The Joker a canon origin before, but none of them have ever stuck or been accepted by fans because his lacking any origin is more fitting for his chaotic nature. Giving Tali a face would be one of the biggest mistakes Bioware could possibly make.

No, I don't think so. While I agree that the wait has generated an unnecessarily exaggerated, and as a product, polarized fan-base in terms of expectation, a general satisfaction can probably be arrived at by using what we already know and associate with Tali. That is, her voice actress and that she is an alien, similar in appearance to a human, but road-based and probably not having a skin colour denoting a sun-worshipper.

[Random citizen]

KadianK wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

I found this on google images, it's supposed to be a human/grey alien hybrid. I sort of imagine Tali to look like this, but with more glowy eyes and maybe without the human hair/eyebrows. Thoughts? http://alien-ufo-res...girl-hybrid.jpg

Yeah, without the human hair/eyebrows, I think its conceptually sound.It would also be a nice touch if the "human part" of her was modeled after Liz, you know as an homage to the good work and pleasent looks of the actual voice actress.

BioWare really have already established that Salarians are the Grey-Alien why would they go back on that now?

Another "Theory" that people keep bringing up is that they have to have grey skin 'cause they have had no exposure to sunlight.
This is bobbar. Due to the fact Turians skin is Blue, Grey, Silver, Asari's are blue, purple and with a rare disease can go green.

The Quarians could be any skin colour their "chemical make up" is NOT, I repeat NOT the same as ours.
We have Menalyone in our skin which makes it change colour depending on the level of UV (Sunlight). I'm positive Alien not all alien races will have Menalyone in their skin. (I spelt Menalyone wrong, I'm aware no need to correct, you get the drift, that's how it sounds.)

You misunderstood me. Its not about what they "are inspired by" or "where inspired by", its about how they turned out. And the colourful amphibious salarians are pretty far from a more finely limbed pale or cold coloured alien human-analogues I am referring to.

Modifié par Random citizen, 31 janvier 2012 - 05:41 .

[Lukeskymac]

Hello there guys! I've been stalking the boards for some time and after reading this thread I couldn't help but step in and give my opinion.

While for some people my tolerance for human-like Quarians would be too much, I too despise the fanart that depicts them as LITERALLY space elves. I also wouldn't mind for grey skin, but I side with the people that think it shouldn't be taken for granted just because they live secluded lives.

I am also opposed to some concepts that Luc0s favors. For me, Quarians (admittedly because of Tali in some cases) should:

- Have facial features with human-like *proportions*. For example, Maguaii's concept posted by who would know not only has a weird unnecessary insect part near the chin, the eyes are WAY too apart. That same concept also leads me to my two next points...

- Those features also must correspond to what little we can see of Tali's face in the first two games. The nose is and isn't an exception at the same time: if we applied this rule to the boot, Tali would have an awfully big nose, but that's just because the placeholder model was deliberately made with an exaggerated nose in order for us to see she has one. Still, the nose CANNOT be low and or/wide, since that wouldn't match the first two games either. I think it's also safe to say that her eyes are most likely small, which is another thing that wasn't quite right in Maguaii's concept, and some other ones. They also can't be all-white like SO MANY concepts like to point out, because a) that doesn't make sense it's trying to push the "alien" look in a lazy way, actually almost as bad as space elves, and c) we know that their eyes shine.

I would like to point out, while we're talking about eyes, that I'm also against the all-shiny eyes that are as common as the all-white ones. They shout "space-elves!" for me as well. In my opinion their eyes should shine in a TIM-way, only not with obvious-implant-is-obvious pupils/retina.

- As some other people pointed out, the Quarian Homeworld is quite arid. While I am against lizard tongues and eyelids (I still want an attractive species, after all), making their skin have a scale-like texture is one of the best ways to put them as clearly alien, while not being too weird if it's done right. One of my problems with the most-liked concept posted in this thread (besides NOT being what I imagined at all), is how the skin in the face is WAY too soft compared to the rest of the head. I also thought that it was colored like yogurt =/

- They have to be beautiful godammit! As someone pointed out, when you get a romance with Garrus or Thane, you already know how they look like. Giving fans a Predator Tali screws up whatever we had imagined while playing the other games. They don't need to be sexy hot, because that's not their (as in, the species) general behavior. They are actually the geeks of Mass Effect Universe, so Tali should look like a pretty geeky (alien) girl, not a sexy nurse. That's the Asari's job!

In many ways, , despite being admittedly TOO HUMAN, has the right idea, regarding skin tone. I don't have anything against gray, I just wouldn't like them to have the "Grey-Aliens" gray. Also, as someone has already said, the Salarians fill that role just fine. I am uncertain about hair, but agree that a "wow that looks human except it doesn't!" race would increase the tragicness of their story as a warning to humans because they have been portrayed too much as invincible guys, etc etc...

Well, that's what I could think of right now. Sorry for the long post!

[Lukeskymac]

Oh, I forgot to mention ears. They need to be there but they also have to be *very* different from human ones. I think that's something good, since that gives a lot of room to get some distance from humans without adding much freakiness. In my opinion the ear analogues should be flush with/be carved into the head instead of being something bulgy coming out of it. Think Drells or even Asari, except that theirs should be more visible than the Asari's.

Also, under no circumstances we should have elven/vulcan ears.

[someguy1231]

Random citizen wrote...

No, I don't think so. While I agree that the wait has generated an unnecessarily exaggerated, and as a product, polarized fan-base in terms of expectation, a general satisfaction can probably be arrived at by using what we already know and associate with Tali. That is, her voice actress and that she is an alien, similar in appearance to a human, but road-based and probably not having a skin colour denoting a sun-worshipper.

"Talimancers" are some of the most unpleasable fans I've ever seen, and that's really saying something. Again, I say, if Bioware says "This is what Tali looks like", no matter how plausible it may seem, most fans will not accept it. You vastly underestimate how intransigent and stubborn they can be. Developers thinking their fans are far more accepting than they actually are has lead to countless bad decisions in the past. Hell, we all know how insane fans on BSN can get. Look at that sh*tstorm over something as trivial as how Femshep would appear in a few barely-seen marketing appearances. How do you think they'd react to something that's far less trivial, like revealing the face of a major character from all the games?

[Random citizen]

someguy1231 wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

No, I don't think so. While I agree that the wait has generated an unnecessarily exaggerated, and as a product, polarized fan-base in terms of expectation, a general satisfaction can probably be arrived at by using what we already know and associate with Tali. That is, her voice actress and that she is an alien, similar in appearance to a human, but road-based and probably not having a skin colour denoting a sun-worshipper.

"Talimancers" are some of the most unpleasable fans I've ever seen, and that's really saying something. Again, I say, if Bioware says "This is what Tali looks like", no matter how plausible it may seem, most fans will not accept it. You vastly underestimate how intransigent and stubborn they can be. Developers thinking their fans are far more accepting than they actually are has lead to countless bad decisions in the past. Hell, we all know how insane fans on BSN can get. Look at that sh*tstorm over something as trivial as how Femshep would appear in a few barely-seen marketing appearances. How do you think they'd react to something that's far less trivial, like revealing the face of a major character from all the games?

Yes, a lot of Tali-fans are obsessive. But as I have pointed out, some of that obsessiveness can be used as there is a link between the voice and the face that can be used and that there an archetypical alien type that is missing from the ME-series. Thats where the human-Liz-grey-alien hybrid comes in.

[Random citizen]

>Lukeskymac
Possible Lensing effects and other forms of optic distortions makes it impossible to be sure about any detailed features. The only thing we know are 2 eyes (for some reason they seem to glow, possibly some kind of light reflecting or implants) and a nose. (lore gives us a marginally more detailed description).

[marstor05]

if you end up at her homeworld wont there be statues? That might be the way they reveal the facial structure - while not revealing the face.

[Lukeskymac]

> Random Citizen: Fair point. I still think they'll try to follow it anyway for the sake of not shocking fans with a face that's waaay too different.

> Marstor05: That's a nice idea, actually. Although it's not what I want to happen =P...

[Dewart]

I think it would be absolutely hilarious if all the facial features are the same as a human except the mouth is where the forehead is and the ears are two holes where the mouth should be. A lot of people would freak out though.

[knightnblu]

I saw some concept art a few months prior to the release of ME2. It had the Quarians green skinned with stark white hair. The scene was a still from Tali's trial and all of the Quarians were out of their suits. ME2 was released and the Quarians were still in suits. So that was likely an inadvertent leak of concept art while BioWare was figuring out the Quarian appearance.
 
And before you ask, no, I don't have links, backed up images, screen grab, etc. because I really wasn't that interested at the time. I just thought, "Hmmm, that's interesting" and moved on.