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[turian councilor Knockout]

KadianK wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

And then the biggest disappointment comes and you realize they look like hagravens from Skyrim but with purple skin, ewww.

Lawl. If that's the case, I'll go and jump off The Worlds Throat. Lol.

Same here, then i will kick out tali faster than she say bye. 

[Chuvvy]

We have about as much of a chance at seeing a Quarian face as we do at seeing a female Turian.

[xentar]

Random citizen wrote...

I dont think that was the best analogy.

If you can't date other species from Earth, why even bother with something developed on another planet. Such organisms may not even share some of the very basic concepts of perception with us. So, the analogy is fine. Think a sentient elephant with intelligence heightened beyond human level if you wish.

[xentar]

Nissun wrote...

Err, okay. It does depend on which level of science fiction we're talking about. However, in Mass Effect interspecies relations are a thing.

Almost all of them are approximately human-sized, possess 2 eyes (or 4 in the correct place) 2 hands with fingers, 2 legs, they think with human concepts, they have verbal communication. They are hardly alien at all, just human archetypes stuck in slightly modified bodies.

Nissun wrote...


Don't freak out at the possibility of them looking like turians.

Problem is, they let us romance a Quarian without knowing what they look like, the knowledge the Real Shepard ™ would undoubtedly possess. Thus, if they make them too alien, this will transform Shepard into a perv without the players' consent: something a lot of people will vocally disapprove of.

On the other hand, not showing their faces at all is one of the biggest immersion breakers ever, so, that's also not really a viable option...

[PlatonicWaffles]

Slidell505 wrote...

We have about as much of a chance at seeing a Quarian face as we do at seeing a female Turian.

Have you read the Evolution comics?

[Nissun]

xentar wrote...

Nissun wrote...

Err, okay. It does depend on which level of science fiction we're talking about. However, in Mass Effect interspecies relations are a thing.

Almost all of them are approximately human-sized, possess 2 eyes (or 4 in the correct place) 2 hands with fingers, 2 legs, they think with human concepts, they have verbal communication. They are hardly alien at all, just human archetypes stuck in slightly modified bodies.

Nissun wrote...


Don't freak out at the possibility of them looking like turians.

Problem is, they let us romance a Quarian without knowing what they look like, the knowledge the Real Shepard ™ would undoubtedly possess. Thus, if they make them too alien, this will transform Shepard into a perv without the players' consent: something a lot of people will vocally disapprove of.

On the other hand, not showing their faces at all is one of the biggest immersion breakers ever, so, that's also not really a viable option...

Oh. So you think that romancing say, a turian or a salarian, is being a perv.

[Random citizen]

xentar wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

I dont think that was the best analogy.

If you can't date other species from Earth, why even bother with something developed on another planet. Such organisms may not even share some of the very basic concepts of perception with us. So, the analogy is fine. Think a sentient elephant with intelligence heightened beyond human level if you wish.

Its not about where you are from, its about the qualities and the possibility to share certain social spaces that matters.

[eye basher]

magnetite wrote...

There's no way that Bioware would build all this suspense about her being unmasked, and leaving us disappointed.

You have to admit it would be one hell of a troll.

[vvDRUCILLAvv]

Could you imagine if they all looked like geth underneath the mask. What if they made the geth in their own image?

[Unschuld]

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Could you imagine if they all looked like geth underneath the mask. What if they made the geth in their own image?

They essentially did, except for the face.

[Chuvvy]

Dylia wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

We have about as much of a chance at seeing a Quarian face as we do at seeing a female Turian.

Have you read the Evolution comics?

Their apprence isn't canon. And, I was talking about in game.

[AgitatedLemon]

Slidell505 wrote...

Dylia wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

We have about as much of a chance at seeing a Quarian face as we do at seeing a female Turian.

Have you read the Evolution comics?

Their apprence isn't canon. And, I was talking about in game.

wut

[vvDRUCILLAvv]

Unschuld wrote...

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Could you imagine if they all looked like geth underneath the mask. What if they made the geth in their own image?

They essentially did, except for the face.

Except for the face? Have you seen their face yet? The nose and eyes visible in the mask could be a holographic image meant to give the appearance of a more human look. I guess we won't truly know till March.  

[Unschuld]

Nissun wrote...

The second design is okay. Okay-ish. Reminds me too much of the Avatar cat-people, but it's definitely alien. I could see it fit in the ME universe.

The one posted before that? It's a f*cking space elf.

What the hell is wrong with people? You're playing science fiction. If aliens creep you out, if you genuinely can't fathom the possibility of connecting emotionally or even being attracted to one, then maybe you should look somewhere else.

I've heard there is plenty human-centric entertainment media nowadays, maybe they should look into that.

That's a bit of an impassioned response there.

Honestly I find this argument rather ridiculous, the statement that Quarians MUST look noticeably alien. What is "noticeably alien"? As stated earlier most of the races in the ME universe are bipedal and generally human-shaped anyway with some slight variations. Certain people will argue that  this is because of the developers needing it for the skeletal animation, which I'll give them that. Still, it does not mean that this is "acceptably" alien. The way I see it, Mass Effect is already essentially a Star Trek universe with aliens being differentiated by whatever little lumps can be stuck with spirit gum to their faces, and colors outside of the human skin tone spectrum. In other words, if the Asari's appearance didn't already completely break your suspension of disbelief, what will?

I think the "space elf" term is used way too liberally, and now seems to refer to anything with even one small distinguishable human characteristic. This can be applied to an eye with an iris, hair or any sort, the nose, etc. or especially purple skintone. The image of that gray face earlier is good, except for the fact that it doesn't follow the facial structure described or shown on the placeholder outline viewable in game. The thing that confounds me is that so many of the "must be completely alien" crowd warm up to that image, where the only difference is the shape of the nose bridge, skin tone and no irises (and whatever those "mandible" things are that make no sense). It's still very humanoid. Meanwhile the purpleface image has just about all the facial structure described by the writers and implied in game, but with different skin tone, "hair" if you can call it that, and whatever those skin-flap things are extending into the hairline. Still noticeably alien from my perspective, which itself is being based on ME's "noticeably alien" perspective. 

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that all three of these examples (Asari included) have roughly the same amount of differentiation from the human face, though at least Quarians have differing bone structure elsewhere. Calling any of these two human while accepting the other one or two among them just seems like nitpicking. Again, if already reading the description of what Quarian facial structure by the writers (and seeing the hints through that translucent mask)didn't already break your suspension of disbelief, why are you still complaining? With any luck, at least from my end, we'll find out why so many of the ME species have similar traits in the next game.

[Unschuld]

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Could you imagine if they all looked like geth underneath the mask. What if they made the geth in their own image?

They essentially did, except for the face.

Except for the face? Have you seen their face yet? The nose and eyes visible in the mask could be a holographic image meant to give the appearance of a more human look. I guess we won't truly know till March.  

Lol that would be on the same level of WTF as finding out the Asari change their appearance to look like each species that sees them. 

[xentar]

Nissun wrote...

Oh. So you think that romancing say, a turian or a salarian, is being a perv.

Yes. Thane and Garrus included, but that is a concious choice.

[Nissun]

Yeah, the geth have a similar body shape (legs, fingers, even the corners of the front of their faces are similar to the ones in Quarian helmets). But look at the LOKI robots too, human made, but with different faces.

[Fetacheese]

Talis model is FULLY renedered... there *might* be someone who illegally took the renderings and posted them, I might have looked at them and might have decided she looks human, with a grey/green skin tint. maybe.

[xentar]

Random citizen wrote...

Its not about where you are from, its about the qualities and the possibility to share certain social spaces that matters.

The qualities are determined by where you are from. The idea that evolution should follow remotely similar paths on different planets is a very shaky one.

[Feanor_II]

Though many people are expecting an space-elf..... my bet goes to something similar to Starcraft's Protoss.

I have enough with Asari being "human-like-and-attractive-from-human-POV" I prefer Quarians to have a more "risky" design, something new. But its seems a lot of people need the equation "favourite char = = beatiful" to be true.

Modifié par Feanor_II, 12 janvier 2012 - 07:08 .

[Unschuld]

Fetacheese wrote...

Talis model is FULLY renedered... there *might* be someone who illegally took the renderings and posted them, I might have looked at them and might have decided she looks human, with a grey/green skin tint. maybe.

Oh, you... Trying to incite wildfires of curious anxiety are we? 

[Unschuld]

Feanor_II wrote...

Though many people are expecting an space-elf..... my bet goes to something similar to Starcraft's Protoss.

They'd need mouths though, obviously. I wouldn't mind that idea however.

Feanor_II wrote...
I have enough with Asari being "human-like-and-attractive-from-human-POV" I prefer Quarians to have a more "risky" design, something new. But its seems a lot of people need the equation "favourite char = = beautiful" to be true.

It's human nature. After all, this is a universe imagined, designed and portrayed by humans. It makes things more relatable to us from our perspective, as do the sleek designs of most of the ships and their movements in space have parallels with our modern boats and airplanes (even though you wouldn't need aerodynamics for space travel, and mass effect tech seems to make aerodynamics moot for atmospheric flight).

[craigdolphin]

Generally speaking, humans are biologically programmed to mate with other humans, and in the case of aliens I think that, realistically, humans are only going to want to get it on with human-looking aliens.

Shepherd and Tali get together so for the story to have some internal consistency, Tali is going to have to look human-enough for that to be credible. I would suggest that human-alien realtionships in space would hold to that kind of rule generally. Asari, quarians, and possibly turians (though I would think they're borderline) would be candidates for interspecies romance with humans. Krogan, Elcor, Hanar....definitely not. Except perhaps for a few deviants.

At least, that's my view. And yes, I hope Tali is hot and doesn't deviate too far from human standards of attractiveness.

[Volus Warlord]

Quarians are actually descended from Yahg.

[KadianK]

Slidell505 wrote...

We have about as much of a chance at seeing a Quarian face as we do at seeing a female Turian.

Very high then.