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#101
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Nissun wrote...

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Err, okay. It does depend on which level of science fiction we're talking about. However, in Mass Effect interspecies relations are a thing.

Almost all of them are approximately human-sized, possess 2 eyes (or 4 in the correct place) 2 hands with fingers, 2 legs, they think with human concepts, they have verbal communication. They are hardly alien at all, just human archetypes stuck in slightly modified bodies.


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Don't freak out at the possibility of them looking like turians.

Problem is, they let us romance a Quarian without knowing what they look like, the knowledge the Real Shepard ™ would undoubtedly possess. Thus, if they make them too alien, this will transform Shepard into a perv without the players' consent: something a lot of people will vocally disapprove of.

On the other hand, not showing their faces at all is one of the biggest immersion breakers ever, so, that's also not really a viable option...


Oh. So you think that romancing say, a turian or a salarian, is being a perv.


A whole universe of variety and some people are still thinking of the local flavour :lol:

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Generally speaking, humans are biologically programmed to mate with other humans, and in the case of aliens I think that, realistically, humans are only going to want to get it on with human-looking aliens.

Shepherd and Tali get together so for the story to have some internal consistency, Tali is going to have to look human-enough for that to be credible. I would suggest that human-alien realtionships in space would hold to that kind of rule generally. Asari, quarians, and possibly turians (though I would think they're borderline) would be candidates for interspecies romance with humans. Krogan, Elcor, Hanar....definitely not. Except perhaps for a few deviants.

At least, that's my view. And yes, I hope Tali is hot and doesn't deviate too far from human standards of attractiveness. :P


Not neccesarily.

Human's have a tendancy to develop fetishes, this is why you get lots of different porn movies, including "Bondage, Gothic, Vintage, Anal."

Meaning, that some Human's may have a fetish for other aliens like Tuarians. Another thing I want answered is the Female Tuarian. 

They obvislously exist, 'cause of Garrus' story when you explore Dialogs with him.

Quarian's have orphsis' for Oral sex and Intercourse. So this makes it possible for a Human to have relationships with a Quarian, now ejaculating into a Quarian will most likely make her more ill then you could possibly imagine. Considering a Quarian male, they is no indication to wither they have a penis or not.

But, still Daily human science and statistics show that a human can be attracted to an Alien. It'll come under a fetish. Although it may be looked down upon by other humans.

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I just realized something: how do the Elcor pick up and light the cigars they are smoking???

anyways...

For Tali, I would much prefer something appealing and definitely attractive, but not stereotypical hot sexy alien face kind of deal... that's not really Tali's character.

Like let's take a look at Samara, aside from the cleavage and skin tight spandex armour (which doesn't make sense in my opinion), she has very striking features; arguably attractive, but not a sex icon.

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I'm personally hoping for something not reptilian and more mammal like. Furrrry

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Mr Arg wrote...

I just realized something: how do the Elcor pick up and light the cigars they are smoking???

anyways...

For Tali, I would much prefer something appealing and definitely attractive, but not stereotypical hot sexy alien face kind of deal... that's not really Tali's character.

Like let's take a look at Samara, aside from the cleavage and skin tight spandex armour (which doesn't make sense in my opinion), she has very striking features; arguably attractive, but not a sex icon.


Why, mass effect fields, of course.

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Mr Arg wrote...

I just realized something: how do the Elcor pick up and light the cigars they are smoking???

anyways...

For Tali, I would much prefer something appealing and definitely attractive, but not stereotypical hot sexy alien face kind of deal... that's not really Tali's character.

Like let's take a look at Samara, aside from the cleavage and skin tight spandex armour (which doesn't make sense in my opinion), she has very striking features; arguably attractive, but not a sex icon.


I wish they was romance options with Samara. She smiles a little when you ask her about romance. But, that's really all you get.

On another note, I want something unquie for their face, it'll be a total let down if they're just human looking.

And whoever suggested it might be a holographic imagine.

What reason could the Quarians possibly have for pretending they're organics is beyond me. They is no reason. Also if they was Synthetic they wouldn't have the issue they do have. They wouldn't need their homeworld, they'd just go somewhere else.
Quarain's being born is mentioned when you explore Tali's dialog options, she mentions that they stay in a clean room until adulthood, and bam then they get their suit.
If they're Synthetic everything they stand for is a waste of time.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I really hope they have feathers instead of hair like the Shi'ar.

Yes, I realize I am a dreamer....

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I can't imagine them with feathers to be honest. Lol.

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Rannoch is said to be a dry planet so I'm thinking maybe something scale like?

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I believe somewhere in the Mass Effect books was said that Quarians mostly turned themselves into cyborgs (sort-of), with a lot of implants and tech in/on their bodies to help them survive (with their weak immune system and all).


So I expect the quarians to look a bit cyborg-ish in ME3, if they're ever going to show their faces.

Modifié par Luc0s, 13 janvier 2012 - 01:56 .


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Luc0s wrote...

I believe somewhere in the Mass Effect books was said that Quarians mostly turned themselves into cyborgs (sort-of), with a lot of implants and tech in/on their bodies to help them survive (with their weak immune system and all).


So I expect the quarians to look a bit cyborg-ish in ME3, if they're ever going to show their faces.


Due to the fact they can repoduce. I don't think so.

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KadianK wrote...

I can't imagine them with feathers to be honest. Lol.


lol, yeah I know it's a stretch.  But in my head they small fine strands of plummage almost like hair.  But not...

I know that makes no sense to anyone else...

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kalpain wrote...

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I can't imagine them with feathers to be honest. Lol.


lol, yeah I know it's a stretch.  But in my head they small fine strands of plummage almost like hair.  But not...

I know that makes no sense to anyone else...


From what you describe I get the image of Feathers that look little like Fur, 'cause of them being short. xD

Mass Effect, doesn't seem to have a hairy race. o.O You'd think that would pop up. :/ Hmm, maybe the Volus. Lol.
I assume they are moles, but I think bold moles, but you know they could have hair. Lol.

Only humans actually show any signs of hair. o.O xD

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I've got it! That's what she looks like. =)


Oh God I laughed so hard at that.

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Killitngrillit wrote...

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I've got it! That's what she looks like. =)


Oh God I laughed so hard at that.


Lawl. It actually scared me, I was prepared for the sound it made when it pops up. Turn down the bass.
It was hilarious though.

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This is the best concept I've seen:

Image IPB
By Maguaii.

I always thought they looked more simular to this image. I have hard time picturing them being closly releated to being human like.

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KadianK wrote...

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I can't imagine them with feathers to be honest. Lol.


lol, yeah I know it's a stretch.  But in my head they small fine strands of plummage almost like hair.  But not...

I know that makes no sense to anyone else...


From what you describe I get the image of Feathers that look little like Fur, 'cause of them being short. xD

Mass Effect, doesn't seem to have a hairy race. o.O You'd think that would pop up. :/ Hmm, maybe the Volus. Lol.
I assume they are moles, but I think bold moles, but you know they could have hair. Lol.

Only humans actually show any signs of hair. o.O xD


Well sorta yeah.  But if you look at pictures of the Shi'ar there plumage is long like hair with a lot of hair gel.  My thought was sort of like that but flowing more like real hair.  Just textured to look like feathers.  If that makes sense.  Just my own personal wish list.  Hoping for something different.

But yeah what's up with the Volus no one ever wants to know what they look like.  I wanna see them and the Raloi, cause I'm sure they will have feathers, lol.

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Meh, I see Bioware going for the human look, something like an Eldar from Warhammer. Least amount of effort, and usually most people are attracted to humanoid, human looking "aliens". That's why everyone's pen0r goes to the Asari.

Modifié par Killitngrillit, 13 janvier 2012 - 03:27 .


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Killitngrillit wrote...

Meh, I see Bioware going for the human look, something like an Eldar from Warhammer. Least amount of effort, and usually most people are attracted to humanoid, human looking "aliens". That's why everyone's pen0r goes to the Asari.


I dunno. The Asari actually make sense (They can mate with ANY race, therefore they have through natural selection gained traits that make them attractive to other species).

Whereas all the other races are distinctly alien (At least in so far as they can be alien while retaining a bipedal format) - for the quarians to look very humanised would not be the "likely" option at all, and isn't "how Bioware rolls" at all.

Whatever they decide though, I think we can safely say there will be haters

Modifié par RyuujinZERO, 13 janvier 2012 - 03:39 .


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RyuujinZERO wrote...

Killitngrillit wrote...

Meh, I see Bioware going for the human look, something like an Eldar from Warhammer. Least amount of effort, and usually most people are attracted to humanoid, human looking "aliens". That's why everyone's pen0r goes to the Asari.


I dunno. The Asari actually make sense (They can mate with ANY race, therefore they have through natural selection gained traits that make them attractive to other species).

Whereas all the other races are distinctly alien (At least in so far as they can be alien while retaining a bipedal format) - for the quarians to look very humanised would not be the "likely" option at all, and isn't "how Bioware rolls" at all.

Whatever they decide though, I think we can safely say there will be haters


Agreed. :ph34r:

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RyuujinZERO wrote...

Killitngrillit wrote...

Meh, I see Bioware going for the human look, something like an Eldar from Warhammer. Least amount of effort, and usually most people are attracted to humanoid, human looking "aliens". That's why everyone's pen0r goes to the Asari.


I dunno. The Asari actually make sense (They can mate with ANY race, therefore they have through natural selection gained traits that make them attractive to other species).

Whereas all the other races are distinctly alien (At least in so far as they can be alien while retaining a bipedal format) - for the quarians to look very humanised would not be the "likely" option at all, and isn't "how Bioware rolls" at all.

Whatever they decide though, I think we can safely say there will be haters


I concur...

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KadianK wrote...

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I don't really have the hate for humanoid looking Aliens. I get why some folks do, but generally speaking I dislike being teased with no pay off. The Tali unmasking was a tease with no pay off. I also don't hold any stock in the whole 'mystery' aspect of Quarians or tali and not seeing there faces. I think its kind of a insult to state that as why there interesting, or why shes interesting.

All in all I hope its revealed in ME3, I think it should be part of the Quarian/Geth plot line and not necessarily a continuation of Tali's Romance though I also hope that's part of it. Guess you could look at that as a double-reveal. Seeing a bunch of Quarians remove there mask on there planet would be nice, and seeing Tali's face and the 'end' of the romance would give that pay off they failed to deliver on in ME2.


Agreed. Apart from the Humanoid looking Aliens. I hate them, it's just not unique, and nothing new in my opinion.


*EDIT*
This isn't totally in reference to Tali and more about the idea of making most aliens humanoid and human looking in general. I just don't think that she has to not look human otherwise Bioware failed. There's nothing wrong with looking human and there are good reasons to do it.
*EDIT*

Why does anything have to be unique or new for it to be good? I would also argue that just because something looks humanoid doesn't mean it's not new or unique in some ways.

Anyways, the whole idea of having most aliens look humanish is so that we can empathize and relate to them better. You may think it so, but basic psychology shows that you just wouldn't be as  invested in a character if it was too far from what we perceive as "normal".

Being able to relate to them makes the story hit home more. It makes their emotions and the way they convey those emotions easier to "feel".

Notice how there are extremely exotic races in the ME universe (Hanar, Elcor, Volus) but they would never be squad mate material due to the reasons I stated above. Even without the Hanar's and Elcor's werid language ethics and limitations or the Volus' breathing sounds, even if they all spoke normally (and even without gameplay logistic and animation problems in combat), their stories wouldn't be as strong due to their "strangeness". Our brains just wouldn't empathize with their plights as deeply as it does with an Asari or even a Quarian.

Legion is an interesting and awesome character and the designers took certain steps to make him seem more human (for a Geth, anyway) by adding the moving "brows" that move when he says certain things. That just shows that the Bioware team knows it's important not to alienate the aliens too much, at least not the ones that will be part of our squad and have in depth stories they want us to care about.

In an interview with a Bioware artist, they touch on this kind of when they talk about how to make the Asari attractive but alien. At the very least, the face needs to be similar to ours in order for us to see something as attractive. It's the same idea when it comes to being able to "relate" to something alien, you just have more leeway with the specifics of the look when not going for "attraction".

I'm not saying that Tali can't have tentacles on her face (or whatever you were thinking she looked like), I'm just talking about your overall stance on non-humanoid vs humanoid races. I'm also not saying it's impossible to care about an Elcor or a Volus, I'm just saying that our brains often repulse or fear things that are different, rather than try and care about them, it's kind of natural, no matter how hard we try or want to fight it. The day we actually meet aliens, it will definitely be a problem until we get used to them.

Modifié par Glowyrm, 13 janvier 2012 - 04:11 .


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RyuujinZERO wrote...

Killitngrillit wrote...

Meh, I see Bioware going for the human look, something like an Eldar from Warhammer. Least amount of effort, and usually most people are attracted to humanoid, human looking "aliens". That's why everyone's pen0r goes to the Asari.


I dunno. The Asari actually make sense (They can mate with ANY race, therefore they have through natural selection gained traits that make them attractive to other species).

Whereas all the other races are distinctly alien (At least in so far as they can be alien while retaining a bipedal format) - for the quarians to look very humanised would not be the "likely" option at all, and isn't "how Bioware rolls" at all.

Whatever they decide though, I think we can safely say there will be haters


perhaps, but we will have to wait and see. I'm just goin off the fact off what the contour of her face looks like in ME1. I'm expecting something vaguely human, but maybe they will surprise us :D

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Glowyrm wrote...


*EDIT*
This isn't totally in reference to Tali and more about the idea of making most aliens humanoid and human looking in general. I just don't think that she has to not look human otherwise Bioware failed. There's nothing wrong with looking human and there are good reasons to do it.
*EDIT*

Why does anything have to be unique or new for it to be good? I would also argue that just because something looks humanoid doesn't mean it's not new or unique in some ways.

Anyways, the whole idea of having most aliens look humanish is so that we can empathize and relate to them better. You may think it so, but basic psychology shows that you just wouldn't be as  invested in a character if it was too far from what we perceive as "normal".

Being able to relate to them makes the story hit home more. It makes their emotions and the way they convey those emotions easier to "feel".

Notice how there are extremely exotic races in the ME universe (Hanar, Elcor, Volus) but they would never be squad mate material due to the reasons I stated above. Even without the Hanar's and Elcor's werid language ethics and limitations or the Volus' breathing sounds, even if they all spoke normally, their stories wouldn't be as strong due to their "strangeness". Our brains just wouldn't empathize with their plights as deeply as it does with an Asari or even a Quarian.

Legion is an interesting and awesome character and the designers took certain steps to make him seem more human (for a Geth, anyway) by adding the "brows" that move when he says certain things. That just shows that the Bioware team knows it's important not to alienate the aliens too much, at least not the ones that will be part of our squad and have in depth stories they want us to care about.

In an interview with a Bioware artist, they touch on this kind of when they talk about how to make the Asari attractive but alien. At the very least, the face needs to be similar to ours in order for us to see something as attractive. It's the same idea when it comes to being able to "relate" to something alien, you just have more leeway with the specifics of the look when not going for "attraction".

I'm not saying that Tali can't have tentacles on her face (or whatever you were thinking she looked like), I'm just talking about your overall stance on non-humanoid vs humanoid races. I'm also not saying it's impossible to care about an Elcor or a Volus, I'm just saying that our brains often repulse or fear things that are different, rather than try and care about them, it's kind of natural, no matter how hard we try or want to fight it. The day we actually meet aliens, it will definitely be a problem until we get used to them.


If you read further on you would have noticed I touch on the subject. Fetish's and this proves that it's possible for a human to be attracted to an alien race.

Due to a Volus' limitations as a race. (Not being able to move fast, slow speech pattern.) this makes them a terrible squadmate, now if the Volus was like a Dwarf as we have seen in many games before, he'd make a fine team mate at that.
The Elcor are unquie, they can't move very fast, and it's impossible for them to display emotion through facial features. This is what makes them a bad squadmate.
The Hanar are naturally an Aquatic race, and live under sea, now if this game was based on a water planet, a Hanar might be a useful Squadmate, but it's not. So it becomes a terrible squad mate.

The point is we don't use these races becauses they're not physically capable.

The human mind, repluses things that are different. Yes, if you're a full blown racist. I welcome the fact of different things and I like to explore culture, art... So on and so forth.

A humaniod face for the Quarians would be a let down, 'cause of all the time you wait. It's a let down to see another Space Human. Which is what fans of Sci Fi games really don't want.

I welcome the idea of 2 arms, 2 legs, so on and so forth, 'cause it's physically adapt, but it's interesting to see things where an Alien might have "Four Arms", or they naturally run on all fours, even they use levitation as a transportation methord.

In conclusion. I understand where you're coming from but, in no way do I agree.

Modifié par KadianK, 13 janvier 2012 - 04:12 .


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KadianK wrote...
The human mind, repluses things that are different. Yes, if you're a full blown racist. I welcome the fact of different things and I like to explore culture, art... So on and so forth.


More like - yes if you're the average human.

You'd be the statistical outlier in this case.