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[Drone223]

who would know wrote...

This is the best concept I've seen:

*snip*

By Maguaii.

This is proberly the best fan concept imo, doesn't look too alien, but not too human looking either

[Armass81]

Closest Id expect from a quarian face would be like that fan art that was shown. That or the Na'Vi like from Avatar(vaquely cat like). If they make them purple space elves, im going to be majorly pissed.

Modifié par Armass81, 13 janvier 2012 - 08:12 .

[Doctalen]

Armass81 wrote...

Closest Id expect from a quarian face would be like that fan art that was shown. That or the Na'Vi like from Avatar(vaquely cat like). If they make them purple space elves, im going to be majorly pissed.

I really hope they are not Na'vi looking. Big disney eyes and animal features only to make people feel bad for them more so. 

[mybudgee]

I bet they have no face. Just a skull with glowing eye sockets. That *MAYBE* could satisfy a few of us about this over hyped subject

[Armass81]

Doctalen wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Closest Id expect from a quarian face would be like that fan art that was shown. That or the Na'Vi like from Avatar(vaquely cat like). If they make them purple space elves, im going to be majorly pissed.

I really hope they are not Na'vi looking. Big disney eyes and animal features only to make people feel bad for them more so. 

I didnt say Na'vi, i said na'vi-like. Like the cathar from TOR, something vaquely cat like and human like but not too much, so they still look kinda alienish. Maybe some hard bony ridges around eyes and such. The eyes are certainly close to human size, tough seem to kinda almond shaped. Skull should be different from human skull, maybe backwards bending so the head gets a different shape too. Would go along with those helmets they wear.

Id imagine something akin to drell in looking like human, but with clear differences. We already have a very human looking race in the asari, we dont need another one. Im having enough hard time to swallow the asari as an alien race...

Purple space elves AKA somehing like eldar or night elves from WOW is just lazy design and unimaginative. I really hope if BW ever desides to canonize the quarians look they do not go with this route.

Modifié par Armass81, 13 janvier 2012 - 08:57 .

[schemata]

one of my favorites

[Doctoglethorpe]

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 13 janvier 2012 - 10:17 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Space elves enrage me.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 13 janvier 2012 - 10:18 .

[BiggBno]

I think we are forgetting one aspect here. And that is from the Quarian perspective. For Tali to be attracted to Shepard she would be similar enough to humans to invoke those feelings in her.
So it will make the most sense that she has at least a partly humanoid facial apperance.

[schemata]

BiggBno wrote...

I think we are forgetting one aspect here. And that is from the Quarian perspective. For Tali to be attracted to Shepard she would be similar enough to humans to invoke those feelings in her.
So it will make the most sense that she has at least a partly humanoid facial apperance.

This is a very clever thought, kudos and I agree.

[Siegdrifa]

schemata wrote...

BiggBno wrote...

I think we are forgetting one aspect here. And that is from the Quarian perspective. For Tali to be attracted to Shepard she would be similar enough to humans to invoke those feelings in her.
So it will make the most sense that she has at least a partly humanoid facial apperance.

This is a very clever thought, kudos and I agree.

I don't agree, it is possible to devloppe a love story between Garus and fem Shep, so the tolerence on aspect can be higher than that.
Also, the message is clear in ME, what bring aliens together (friendship / love / goals) is more intelectual and less physical.
Is Tali mature enough to pass on the physical differences to get in love with Shepard ? i think so, she have high estime for him / her even as a friend, so, no doubt she care more for the inside of Shepard rather than the outside.
Just my opinion.

[BiggBno]

Siegdrifa wrote...

schemata wrote...

BiggBno wrote...

I think we are forgetting one aspect here. And that is from the Quarian perspective. For Tali to be attracted to Shepard she would be similar enough to humans to invoke those feelings in her.
So it will make the most sense that she has at least a partly humanoid facial apperance.

This is a very clever thought, kudos and I agree.

I don't agree, it is possible to devloppe a love story between Garus and fem Shep, so the tolerence on aspect can be higher than that.
Also, the message is clear in ME, what bring aliens together (friendship / love / goals) is more intelectual and less physical.
Is Tali mature enough to pass on the physical differences to get in love with Shepard ? i think so, she have high estime for him / her even as a friend, so, no doubt she care more for the inside of Shepard rather than the outside.
Just my opinion.

To feel affection, yes the physical appearance is not that important, and I agree you can feel some sort of platonic love. But there has to be some physical attraction as well. This is the same in normal human relationships as well. Regarding Garrus, I always felt Turians had a very aesthetic face. My Fiancee actually threatened she'd leave me if she met him. 

Modifié par BiggBno, 13 janvier 2012 - 12:58 .

[KadianK]

Siegdrifa wrote...

schemata wrote...

BiggBno wrote...

I think we are forgetting one aspect here. And that is from the Quarian perspective. For Tali to be attracted to Shepard she would be similar enough to humans to invoke those feelings in her.
So it will make the most sense that she has at least a partly humanoid facial apperance.

This is a very clever thought, kudos and I agree.

I don't agree, it is possible to devloppe a love story between Garus and fem Shep, so the tolerence on aspect can be higher than that.
Also, the message is clear in ME, what bring aliens together (friendship / love / goals) is more intelectual and less physical.
Is Tali mature enough to pass on the physical differences to get in love with Shepard ? i think so, she have high estime for him / her even as a friend, so, no doubt she care more for the inside of Shepard rather than the outside.
Just my opinion.

Agreed. Physical attraction is required but everyone forgets they is such a thing as "Fetish's" and this makes it possible for us to love almost the most disgusting of things. Just depends on your mind.

Some people enjoy the sight of a dead corpse, others are repulsed by it. So, not being attracted to an Alien 'cause we're Human is total bull****.

Also to put anyone at ease. Tali say's "I want to feel your skin against mine" obviously proving she has Skin, not scales, not feathers. But, skin.

You can feel affection for anything. You have stories of people "Marrying their gate" 'cause they really think they are in love with their gate, and are attracted to it...

[Glowyrm]

KadianK wrote...
If you read further on you would have noticed I touch on the subject. Fetish's and this proves that it's possible for a human to be attracted to an alien race.

I never said it was impossible. I went out of my way to make sure that was clear.

KadianK wrote...

Due to a Volus' limitations as a race. (Not being able to move fast, slow speech pattern.) this makes them a terrible squadmate, now if the Volus was like a Dwarf as we have seen in many games before, he'd make a fine team mate at that.
The Elcor are unquie, they can't move very fast, and it's impossible for them to display emotion through facial features. This is what makes them a bad squadmate.
The Hanar are naturally an Aquatic race, and live under sea, now if this game was based on a water planet, a Hanar might be a useful Squadmate, but it's not. So it becomes a terrible squad mate.

...The point is we don't use these races becauses they're not physically capable...

All valid reasons (that I also brought up already) but not even close to the biggest reasons, which are the ones that my post was about.

KadianK wrote...

The human mind, repluses things that are different. Yes, if you're a full blown racist. I welcome the fact of different things and I like to explore culture, art... So on and so forth.

We are all naturally "racist" to a degree. I'm not telling you my opinion I'm telling you how thousands of years of humans interacting have developed. It's part of the human condition to fear what 's different.

We're not talking about culture and things like that though, you're expanding the discussion to other areas that don't matter for the particular points that I originally brought up. I love seeing how other peoples and races do things too, it's fascinating. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about being able to empathize and feel for a character, not wanting to watch them on the discovery channel.

What I'm talking about is on a very subconscious level for the most part also. Your feelings towards certain races will differ, whether you realize it or not. You will feel more strongly for certain races. The more human something is the better you'll relate and the stronger their emotions will be to you. Once again I'm not telling you my opinion, I'm telling you how the average mind works.

KadianK wrote...

A humaniod face for the Quarians would be a let down, 'cause of all the time you wait. It's a let down to see another Space Human. Which is what fans of Sci Fi games really don't want.

I can see how the wait might make one expect something out of the ordinary since the time we have waited to see them is extraordinary.

On a purely Tali-level discussion, the rest of her is already very humanish so they can go as far as, let's say, a Turian detail-wise for her face. It can be different as long as it doesn't have all kinds of things growing off it it, which would lead back to what I've been talking about.

The Bioware devs know all this too, btw.

Personally it doesn't bother me either way with Tali, like I said I'm not really talking about just a Quarian face, I was touching on all the anti-humanoid race hate that was getting thrown around. I was just validating Bioware's choices to make so many of the races resemble us, at least the ones that they wanted us to be invested in.

Also, a show called "Firefly" would like to speak with the sentence in bold. Not everyone wants or needs crazy, exotic aliens for something to be cool/good/awesome/unique/whatever/etc. I'm not stating my personal opinion, I'm just saying you can't say what "sci-fi fans" do or don't want. Even TV shows do what I'm talking about. Hollywood does it all the time too. They are careful about what races are the "main" cast that you get invested in and care about.

KadianK wrote...

I welcome the idea of 2 arms, 2 legs, so on and so forth, 'cause it's physically adapt, but it's interesting to see things where an Alien might have "Four Arms", or they naturally run on all fours, even they use levitation as a transportation methord.

Interesting? Most certainly.

Easy to become emotional invested in? Not as much.

I think the Elcor is a great idea for a race. The way they have to convey emotion through words, the fact that their planet has such a ridiculously high gravitational pull that they evolved to be hunched over on all fours, I love it. Along with the other "non-humanoid" species in the game.

But the races I can really "connect" with and feel something for when on missions with them are the ones that resemble humans more. I would like to reiterate the fact that I'm not saying it's impossible to care for a Volus, it's just easier and "deeper" when it's something your mind can relate to.

Of course, in a real world, that subconscious level of "fear" (or repulsion, but I feel like that word is being taken too harshly, it's not meant to mean full blown disgust in this regard) would subside over time and you would accept other races more.

Modifié par Glowyrm, 13 janvier 2012 - 01:21 .

[BiggBno]

Believe me, I know about fetishes. People wanting to marry their gates though, is more like a special kind of crazy.

Besides, what constitutes a fetish is debatable(Not a debate I want to have now please).

I don't mean they should be excactly the same, but some structural similar shape would be required imo.

[Random citizen]

KadianK wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

Agreed.
Cybernetics or naturally reflecting light/glowing? I dunno.  We know they have some cybernetics.

What are you talking about? Shepard is an individual with extensive cybernetic upgrades/ implants and it seems to be quite common with cybernetics.

Having cybernetic implants does not mean they are hackable though. I have a hard time seeing seeing the heavy skin weave, he biotic amp, heavy bone weave, ocular implant etc being hackable without a surgical procedure.
Them being overloaded and interfacing with technology providing altered "augmented" sensory input is another thing.

What are you talking about? Shepard is an individual with extensive cybernetic upgrades/ implants and it seems to be quite common with cybernetics.

Having cybernetic implants does not mean they are hackable though. I have a hard time seeing seeing the heavy skin weave, he biotic amp, heavy bone weave, occular implant etc being hackable without a sugical procedure.
Them being overladed and interfacing with technology providing altered "augmented" sensory imput is another thing.

Modifié par Random citizen, 13 janvier 2012 - 02:01 .

[Random citizen]

xentar wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

Its not about where you are from, its about the qualities and the possibility to share certain social spaces that matters.

The qualities are determined by where you are from. The idea that evolution should follow remotely similar paths on different planets is a very shaky one.

Very true. But if there is ever given an explanation on why so many spices are so similar in ME, it would probably be because of the reapers manipulating biological evolution to achieve certain traits.

[Random citizen]

schemata wrote...


one of my favorites

Well drawn, but horrible in its naivity. Human, all too human.

[Hyrist]

I've no problem with 'space elves', personally. We don't have to have extremely alien races as primary characters. This is a work of fiction, after all.

Honestly, I don't think anyone who's really objecting has any investment in Quarians especially, they're just looking to impose their point of view on others regardless of other people's preference or enjoyment.

Honestly, just observationally, the 'space elf' convention really does sort of match the Quarian culture, closed, nomadic ancestor worship - it's very similar to the Dalish elves in that sense.

So far out of the concepts I've seen, the first one posted in this thread, in my view, is the best. It matches the silhouette seen in the helmet, looks alien, but in an exotic way.

But I'll be ok with whatever Bioware decides in this case.

[Random citizen]

Luc0s wrote...

 For some reason I expect the quarian's head and face to resemble this:

*CLICK*


PS: That movie where that image is from is one of the most disturbing movies i've ever seen.

Its in the right direction.

[Luigitornado]

Random citizen wrote...

schemata wrote...


one of my favorites

Well drawn, but horrible in its naivity. Human, all too human.

What's wrong with looking human? I could say that having more human-looking Quarians makes them that more tragic. It would be a great twist too.

[Luigitornado]

Luc0s wrote...

KadianK wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

I believe somewhere in the Mass Effect books was said that Quarians mostly turned themselves into cyborgs (sort-of), with a lot of implants and tech in/on their bodies to help them survive (with their weak immune system and all).


So I expect the quarians to look a bit cyborg-ish in ME3, if they're ever going to show their faces.

Due to the fact they can repoduce. I don't think so.

You can think what you want but it's what the books say. They say they're full with implants and cybernetics to bolster their immune system and what not.

What does this have to do with reproduction anyway? It's not like you can't reproduce anymore once you're a cyborg. being a cyborg merely means that a part of your body is replaced or enhanced with tech.

So was Shepard in ME2 

Modifié par Luigitornado, 13 janvier 2012 - 04:45 .

[xentar]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

I dunno. The Asari actually make sense (They can mate with ANY race, therefore they have through natural selection gained traits that make them attractive to other species).

All natural selection was over long before they met any alien species.