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[macrocarl]

But the game is not out yet, right? Just the demo. this topic is jumping to some serious conclusions.

[Sylvianus]

simfamSP wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

What's funny, is that they did a wheel + silent protagonist XD, they don't even give more dialogue lines, phrases, the wheel is even more streamlined than that of DA2.

The writing is quite poor.

Oh lord, you re right. I thought the story was written for children. The great hero, destiny, the good guys mortal ( again alliance  elves, humans, etc etc; WoW ) against the bad and evil demon immortal.

At the beginning, I was facepalmed. But I don't mind a story cliche, ( I said to myself, don't be too hurry to judge the writting )  if it is well written. But after one hour, that was exactly like I thought....

If there wasn't the mass effect item to win by playing this demo, I would have stopped after 10 - 15minutes.

I think KoA's focus wasn't on story... yet I won't say much because... I HAVEN'T PLAYED THE DEMO! But looking at it from an ignorant pov I'd say that it wants to show of it's world more than it's plot hehe.

Still... I find that the BSN loves to criticize writing alot. Still... this is coming from an ignorant... so don't mind me

You know, that kind of stupidity for the naive, keep it to yourself. I played a lot of demos, and almost all were representative of the game itself.

You do not have much experienced the demos to say that.

The writing can be judged by the dialogues, thanks to the introduction, by the interactions, cinematics. etc etc. There are thousands of ways to see what you can expect. A demo is made ​​for this.   From what i've seen ( 2 hours ) it is enough to know what I can expect from that.

The worst, is that you didn't play this demo, and you are giving me some lessons about that. That's stupid.

That's what is  the purpose of a demo.  You decide if you buy the game or not. Down from your horse, that's two posts, that you allow yourself to judge people with bull**** yourself.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 18 janvier 2012 - 10:14 .

[Morroian]

simfamSP wrote...
I think KoA's focus wasn't on story... yet I won't say much because... I HAVEN'T PLAYED THE DEMO! But looking at it from an ignorant pov I'd say that it wants to show of it's world more than it's plot hehe.

There's a fair bit of dialogue in it, this wasn't like the DA2 demo which was made just to show off the combat. Plus the opening of the game (which is in the demo) didn't really drag me in because of the way it was written.

[Sylvianus]

@ Simfram. No problem. Sorry if this was not your intention. But I had this impression, also because of your previous post.

I do not think you have understood why the term realism is used by folks. That's simply  because it is the best way to express what people want visually, because in this area, it is really difficult to express what we want exactly. We aren't artists, we aren't designers. The devs clearly understand this language in the abtract, even if it is not accurate .  So I don't think it's fair what you said.

Also I know how demo work, do not worry. Some are quite different, yes. If the demo did only show the fighting, you think I could have said something about writting?

The demo is big enough, you'll see. Maybe you'll love the demo, and more power to you. But I gave my opinion about a game that asked me to judge It from a small size of what it represents. So, I legitimately think that this won't please me, and I can judge legitimately what was given to me. If some liked it, more power to them, that's the same, they judged it, and they decided they will buy it.

A demo is the best way to judge a game as a whole, before buying It. At any rate, Better than marketting, promises, etc etc.

Final Fantasy demo recently proposed a very large demo. There isn't only fighting, there are also some cutscenes, dialogues, interactions.

You can quickly see if the game (story, gameplay, graphics, as a whole like I said ) will interest you or not.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 19 janvier 2012 - 12:04 .

[LinksOcarina]

Considering the game was originally supposed to be an MMO, the seams of the original design showed.

Not that it was a bad thing, but its clear they took cues from several RPGs, including Dragon Age, Elder Scrolls, and WoW. I saw a twinge of Fable and God of War in there as well, mostly the combat reminded me of that part.

Considering the fact this is a new I.P and has several collaborators that are pretty well known, the game did impress me with the scope. It is clear that the story is not the major focus, the dialogue is fairly shallow (reminds me of Divinity II as an example) and the quest-lines were ok, at best. The camera had some issues as well, but that's a nitpick that I think was catered to the more active combat they have.

Overall I think it's a good start for a new I.P. And I think its brilliant that Curt Schilling made a cross-promotion with Mass Effect 3 fans to get people to play it. Now I am actually impressed by Reckoning...

[LPPrince]

I do believe the main focus behind KoA(evidenced by the demo) is its combat and world atmosphere.

Bioware already does dialogue and characters right, they don't need inspiration from that(although DA2 characters left a lot to be desired).

[LPPrince]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Indeed. One thing I've never seen any game do very well is a Lothlorienesque golden forest that looks fantastic, but has some notional feeling that it's a real thing.

Things like that would be worth many gigabytes of neon purple forests and giant green rhomboid swords.

Some things are really hard to represent, though, especially things which involve Tolkienesque elves. It's why we all give up on "doing Tolkien elves" and end up with variants thereof that are easy to represent with... well, real shapes and colours.

We need a pic of a golden forest now.

[Complistic]

i know this sounds crazy but I'd love for them, you know, to actually come up with something on their own for once.

[LPPrince]

Complistic wrote...

i know this sounds crazy but I'd love for them, you know, to actually come up with something on their own for once.

Like color?

*no way to express the look on my face*

[Complistic]

Like anything

[LPPrince]

Complistic wrote...

Like anything

List some. Lets help them get better.

[Teddie Sage]

Everything from this game is a remix from something else. Nothing new, really.

[LPPrince]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Everything from this game is a remix from something else. Nothing new, really.

Is that really such a bad thing? Not every game is innovative.

You can't expect every game to be Ocarina of Time.

[Complistic]

No but every game should at least try. Otherwise you end up with yearly releases like COD.

[LPPrince]

Which end up selling a ridiculous amount of copies because what they're doing WORKS.

Hell, I'm a CoD gamer and even I'm sick of it. Should you aim to innovate? Sure. But using tried and true methods can't hurt.

That is, can't hurt unless you do it over and over and over, like CoD. It'll go down if it keeps up the same formula.

As for KoA, its the first game in Amalur.

Its future remains to be seen.

[staindgrey]

I didn't expect to actually give KoA more than a passing glance, as I already have one too many games coming as it is, and the art style just reminded me too much of Fable, which I've never liked.

But I admit that I was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed it. I think that by the demo alone I can assume that the writing and dialogue will be more on a Final Fantasy level than a Bioware level, but the fighting system was a pleasant change of pace, the setup is familiar enough for me to feel right at home (since so much of it actually resembles DA games), and I appreciated the art style more than I'd expected.

I may actually get it at some point. But what pains me about it is that this game seems to be the reason for DAII being released so early. Had DAII waited until summer or fall, it'd be competing with Skyrim. If it waited until 2012, it'd be in-fighting with KoA:R, which is a brand new IP. Now it makes sense why DAII was rushed out the door like a redheaded step child instead of being allowed to be properly finished.

Makes me feel dirty even thinking about buying KoA:R full price.

Modifié par staindgrey, 19 janvier 2012 - 02:30 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Things DA3+ should take from KoA:

1)  Colors!  I have color shooting out of my butt right now all because of KoA.  It seems obvious, but nothing makes Dark Places dark, quite like lots of pretty places.  KoA did a great job with color.

2)  Looting.  There is almost no junk loot in the demo!  Almost all of the loot serves a purpose.  Epic win!  Epic epic epic win.  That's right, trippple epic. 

3) class-Moosh.  I love the idea of the fates!  I can be a mage/thief, of a theif/warrior.  That's very cool.  I doubt there will be much in the way of real differences between the step in the combo classes, but I like the idea.  DA3+ should go classless, or multi-class.  With Skyrim. the TES games have gone as classless as the old Palladium games.  I'd love to see DAO do the same thing... or at least offer some kind of class-moosh.



Things DA3+ should not take from KoA:

1)  There will be grinding.  There are too many reagents, and shard, and this, and that, and the other thing.  I can see that there will be shard and reagent grinding in the future, if you want to make use of some of the better gear.  Legacy of the game being an MMO?  IDK.  It is a bad idea though.

2)  Magic is not magical.  Magic is just an arrow with a different graphic.  That might be an artifact of the demo's low level spells, but DA3+ cannot treat magic as poorly as Skyrim did, or the KoA demo.  Magic needs to be magical and amazing.  Ice storms, fire storms, frozen enemies, rock golems, stuff like that.  KoA's Reckoning mode is excellent... but mages should be pulling off **** like that all the time.

3)  Combat is too fast and smashy.  The trade off is too hack and smash, and not enough strategy.  Not a bad thing, it's a design choice.  I'd rather DA3 stuck with more large scale fights with multiple (logical!) waves like Legacy and MotA... where each combat makes sense, than KoA's button mashing at random mobs.

[Weltenschlange]

Das Tentakel wrote...

The older Hollywood epics did actually differentiate between 'common people' and the nobility, with the first often having clothes with somewhat faded colours, and a somewhat higher prevalence of brown. It was probably useful as a kind of colour coding of the social differences in those movies.

Historically, the quality of the cloth and the dyes may be more important than the presence or absence of colour itself. Black and white cloth, for instance, would be really expensive, since it takes a lot of effort to make good black or white cloth. Many colours can be produced using relatively cheap vegetable materials (though they would have to be applied more than once during the cloth's use, because of the fading of the colours). When you look at Bruegel the Elder's paintings (and other late medieval / early modern painters) showing common people, a lot of them wear shades of red and blue, and that's without considering the fact that the colours of his paintings are not as bright as they were originally (many of them are paler or darker than when they were painted fresh).

Ah, I see. But there were still some colors which could only be achieved with expensive dyes, right?

Anyway, I used the examples to illustrate the contemporary cliché; when it comes to fantasy, I follow the rule (as a pen & paper RPG DM) to take the cool stuff from history as inspiration and turn it to 11. And that is actually not as easy as it may sound.

True. True.

And you certainly don't want to use the boring stuff from history...

Oh I think people have different standards of what they consider boring stuff from history...

[LPPrince]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Things DA3+ should take from KoA:

1)  Colors!  I have color shooting out of my butt right now all because of KoA.  It seems obvious, but nothing makes Dark Places dark, quite like lots of pretty places.  KoA did a great job with color.

2)  Looting.  There is almost no junk loot in the demo!  Almost all of the loot serves a purpose.  Epic win!  Epic epic epic win.  That's right, trippple epic. 

3) class-Moosh.  I love the idea of the fates!  I can be a mage/thief, of a theif/warrior.  That's very cool.  I doubt there will be much in the way of real differences between the step in the combo classes, but I like the idea.  DA3+ should go classless, or multi-class.  With Skyrim. the TES games have gone as classless as the old Palladium games.  I'd love to see DAO do the same thing... or at least offer some kind of class-moosh.



Things DA3+ should not take from KoA:

1)  There will be grinding.  There are too many reagents, and shard, and this, and that, and the other thing.  I can see that there will be shard and reagent grinding in the future, if you want to make use of some of the better gear.  Legacy of the game being an MMO?  IDK.  It is a bad idea though.

2)  Magic is not magical.  Magic is just an arrow with a different graphic.  That might be an artifact of the demo's low level spells, but DA3+ cannot treat magic as poorly as Skyrim did, or the KoA demo.  Magic needs to be magical and amazing.  Ice storms, fire storms, frozen enemies, rock golems, stuff like that.  KoA's Reckoning mode is excellent... but mages should be pulling off **** like that all the time.

3)  Combat is too fast and smashy.  The trade off is too hack and smash, and not enough strategy.  Not a bad thing, it's a design choice.  I'd rather DA3 stuck with more large scale fights with multiple (logical!) waves like Legacy and MotA... where each combat makes sense, than KoA's button mashing at random mobs.

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