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[goofyomnivore]

but Origin is going to inflate piracy (you know it is)

I'd bet on BF3 having a less piracy rate than TW2.

[Wardka]

This may have been the fastest growing thread on the BSN so far. I think that says something, no matter which side of the argument you're on.

100 pages later and I'm going to bed again. How large will the thread be when I wake up this time?

[Moondoggie]

crimzontearz wrote...

sooo here's another thing I'm not understanding...

discussion of piracy is not allowed.....understandable

Endorsing piracy also not allowed and completely understandable

but Origin is going to inflate piracy (you know it is) if anything by doing something that is arguably just as morally reprehensible as piracy...sure two wrongs don't make a right and three rights make a left but how can we discuss this situation without pointing out the obvious fact that Origin is indeed going to make people want to pirate the game out is spite?

again not endorsing piracy...just saying that censoring people on the subject is going to add fuel to the fire....

You just contradicted yourself. Discussing piracy is against the rules so don't say so and then discuss piracy lol. Generally making threats that the platform will make you pirate the game is not a good thing to do on these forums. And yes saying "it will encourage piracy" is a threat.

[Ryzaki]

strive wrote...

but Origin is going to inflate piracy (you know it is)

I'd bet on BF3 having a less piracy rate than TW2.

I'm sorry but...

Let's just say I bet on the exact opposite.

And it has jack squat to do with DRM (or lack thereof).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:05 .

[Ottemis]

It's funny, this is no surprise at all, seeing ME2 already required you to log in to EA to verify new DLC. ME3 is basically the same, and logically depends on being connected when you want to multiplayer, as to single-player it's exactly the same as ME2.
That they link it all through the Origin Client now instead of it just being a login in-game makes sense.

[Zkyire]

101 pages in 1 day.

[Splinter Cell 108]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Having principles is great, but this is the very definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Denying yourself access to the final chapter of a great trilogy of games to make some sort of point just seems crazy to me. Especially since EA doesn't care about your point at all. It will not impact their bottom line one iota.

Yes, many of us have invested time, money and effort in Mass Effect. ME3 maybe the epic conclusion, the grand finale, whatever. Do you really think allowing EA to steal my information is worth that? I don't and the reason why EA wouldn't give a damn is exactly what you are saying. If everybody just gives in just to play Mass Effect 3 then it will prove EA that it can do whatever it wants and get away with it.

[Dragoonlordz]

Ponendus wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Ponendus wrote...

I'm trying to find out too, Google is not helping so far. Chris Priestly said that it is actually a windows process not Origin that scans for its own reasons. I can't seem to find an alternative explanation so I am not sure if this isn't just uninformed hysteria or not.

Not sure if you've seen this, but nothing was mentioned about it changing properties of other files.

Edit: Omg, 100 pages in a day.

Hmm, very confusing, I can't seem to glean a clear issue from all that. Hopefully someone with some tech knowledge can clarify exactly what it does. Thanks for pointing to thread though, I have reading material now.

It's a few screenshots of what the original client Origin scanned, which as posted myself and by others more recent screenshots it does not scan so randomly anymore. In most recent screenshots it scanned only the EA game folder, EA game files basically. Like Steam clients get updated over time, and even the current client which I have latest states quite clearly at the top it is still in beta. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:07 .

[Finwik]

The only way we can make a stand is to not support them.

ME3 has been the game I have been most excited about. Hands down. I wanted 2012 to come so ME3 would come. My wife LOVES the game, and we're both very sad to have to cancel our preorder of the special edition. I wanted the artbook so bad. But the things I'm hearing are not the things I want to hear.

This is blatant money grabbing and shady words. Paying customers shouldn't suffer when pirates get the game for free. If I drop 85 bucks for a game (which I have already done for me3 preorder), I should only feel the pain in my wallet, not my ass too.

I want to support bioware and the creators very much. Some of the creators work in the same field I work in and are heroes of mine. I aspire to be like them. (Matt Rhodes)

Canceled. Thanks for the heads up.

Modifié par Finwik, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:09 .

[crimzontearz]

Ponendus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
sooo here's another thing I'm not understanding...

discussion of piracy is not allowed.....understandable

Endorsing piracy also not allowed and completely understandable

but Origin is going to inflate piracy (you know it is) if anything by doing something that is arguably just as morally reprehensible as piracy...sure two wrongs don't make a right and three rights make a left but how can we discuss this situation without pointing out the obvious fact that Origin is indeed going to make people want to pirate the game out is spite?
again not endorsing piracy...just saying that censoring people on the subject is going to add fuel to the fire....

But no DRM will also inflate piracy (The Witcher 2 proved it), so what is your solution? I still haven't seen one.

piracy is not going to be stopped by DRM so you may as well not get people to be spiteful of you and your product

[Rockworm503]

Ponendus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

sooo here's another thing I'm not understanding...

discussion of piracy is not allowed.....understandable

Endorsing piracy also not allowed and completely understandable

but Origin is going to inflate piracy (you know it is) if anything by doing something that is arguably just as morally reprehensible as piracy...sure two wrongs don't make a right and three rights make a left but how can we discuss this situation without pointing out the obvious fact that Origin is indeed going to make people want to pirate the game out is spite?

again not endorsing piracy...just saying that censoring people on the subject is going to add fuel to the fire....

But no DRM will also inflate piracy (The Witcher 2 proved it), so what is your solution? I still haven't seen one.

Thats because no one knows what the solution is.
The best way to get the maximum profit for ANYTHING though is to treat the people who WANT to buy your product with respect.
Microsoft doesn't treat their costumers with respect so I changed my mind when I planned on buying an Xbox 360 (hell sold my old original Xbox)
Valve, while not perfect seems to be treating me with respect I have no problem buying from them or buying a steam product.
If I go to the supermarket and the employees followed me around like they thought I already stole something why would I take my business there?
I want to buy ME3.  I want to support Bioware but my concious wont let me.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:11 .

[goofyomnivore]

I'm sorry but...smilie

Let's just say I bet on the exact opposite.

And it has jack squat to do with DRM (or lack thereof).

I don't know 5-1 is pretty bad(TW2). I'd be surprised if more than 10 million people pirated BF3 (2 million~ bought it on PC last I heard).

[DiegoRaphael]

I dont know if it has been asked...

Dragon Age 2 needed to be online all the time, or the DLCs would not validate and so the game could end up corrupt.

The ME3 DLCs will work the same way? Or is just like the instalation, one time validation and is good to go? I ask this because for some games (and ME is one of them), i like to connect my pc on TV, and doing so, I lose internet connection...

[Rockworm503]

strive wrote...

but Origin is going to inflate piracy (you know it is)

I'd bet on BF3 having a less piracy rate than TW2.

Gosh I wonder why?  It cant possibly be because BF3 is a multiplayer game...
Oh now I know why ME3 will have multiplayer!

[Moondoggie]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...


Yes, many of us have invested time, money and effort in Mass Effect. ME3 maybe the epic conclusion, the grand finale, whatever. Do you really think allowing EA to steal my information is worth that? I don't and the reason why EA wouldn't give a damn is exactly what you are saying. If everybody just gives in just to play Mass Effect 3 then it will prove EA that it can do whatever it wants and get away with it.

What information could they possibly be interested in from you? Have something to hide?

And you are aware that on a daily basis you let several third parties steal your information right? You are constantly being monitored. I bet you have a Facebook too which not only means Facebook monitors you but several third parties too through apps you use on facebook and profiles you befriend and they have been found to share your information with other parties in several cases.

So you are already letting all sorts of people get away with invading your privacy and get away with it. And they are much more invasive than EA will ever be.

[izmirtheastarach]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Yes, many of us have invested time, money and effort in Mass Effect. ME3 maybe the epic conclusion, the grand finale, whatever. Do you really think allowing EA to steal my information is worth that? I don't and the reason why EA wouldn't give a damn is exactly what you are saying. If everybody just gives in just to play Mass Effect 3 then it will prove EA that it can do whatever it wants and get away with it.

In my case, I don't think EA can steal information they already have about me. Since I already have an EA account that I have used to purchase games and DLC with in the past they have all my personal information already. Nothing bad has come from that so far.

And as I've said, enough people are going to give in no matter what anyone here says. Even if this thread really does lead to a couple thousand people not buying the game, I fail to see how that will make any difference to EA one way or the other.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:11 .

[Ryzaki]

strive wrote...

I'm sorry but...smilie

Let's just say I bet on the exact opposite.

And it has jack squat to do with DRM (or lack thereof).

I don't know 5-1 is pretty bad(TW2). I'd be surprised if more than 10 million people pirated BF3 (2 million~ bought it on PC last I heard).

Psh. I wouldn't be surprised if a vastly higher amount than 10 million pirated BF3.

Plus where did those 5 - 1 stats even come from? Just torrents? Because Torrents aren't even a drop in the bucket of piracy.

Rockworm503 wrote...

strive wrote...

but Origin is going to inflate piracy (you know it is)

I'd bet on BF3 having a less piracy rate than TW2.

Gosh I wonder why?  It cant possibly be because BF3 is a multiplayer game...
Oh now I know why ME3 will have multiplayer!

Not even they pirated the MP. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:11 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Wardka wrote...

This may have been the fastest growing thread on the BSN so far. I think that says something, no matter which side of the argument you're on.

100 pages later and I'm going to bed again. How large will the thread be when I wake up this time?

Depends how often the same dozen or so people continue to bicker, debate amongst ourselves. It is not 100+ pages full of hundreds or thousends of people voicing concern or the other side of the fence. Only the first dozen or so pages had most people, now its more akin to a dozen maybe couple dozen at most people constantly talking about it from both sides.

[Ottemis]

DiegoRaphael wrote...

I dont know if it has been asked...

Dragon Age 2 needed to be online all the time, or the DLCs would not validate and so the game could end up corrupt.

The ME3 DLCs will work the same way? Or is just like the instalation, one time validation and is good to go? I ask this because for some games (and ME is one of them), i like to connect my pc on TV, and doing so, I lose internet connection...

Chris Priestly wrote...
2) Is constant Origin connection required or is it a single one off authentication when the game is first installed. Is there also a limit to the number of installations available?
Mass Effect 3 will require a one time, single authorization for the single player game. There is no limit to the
number of installs. Playing Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer will require a constant connection.

So I'm guessing no, won't be the same as DA2.

Modifié par Ottemis, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:12 .

[goofyomnivore]

Gosh I wonder why? It cant possibly be because BF3 is a multiplayer game...

3 of the top 4 games pirated in 2011 were multiplayer.

Plus where did those 5 - 1 stats even come from? Just torrents? Because Torrents aren't even a drop in the bucket of piracy.

Cd-Projekkt. The source is like on page 15-20 of this thread.

Psh. I wouldn't be surprised if a vastly higher amount than 10 million pirated BF3.

The projected most pirated game of all time is at an estimated 4.27 million. Mass Effect 2 is somewhere in the 3 mill area.

Modifié par strive, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:14 .

[Dragoonlordz]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

anzolino wrote...

strive: http://www.urbandict...p?term=Biodrone this?

I find that offensive. Sonic Chronicles was a wonderful game!

It was the best Sonic title I have to admit.

[OmegaBlue0231]

charmingcharlie wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
This is laughable to me. These measures accomplish nothing. Case in point, I've refused to pay for Xbox live gold for years, and yet I still can't play any multiplayer games. Why didn't Microsoft listen? Because I am one in a million. Why would they care?

It is pretty elementary why you are still paying for live on the Xbox.  It is so elementary I can't believe I am having to tell you but here goes.  You are still having to pay for Xbox live because NOT ENOUGH of you stood up to Microsoft.  That is why Microsoft doesn't care, because your voice isn't loud enough.

Now contrast that with GFWL a service that Microsoft launched on the PC which also incurred a fee like Xbox live.  When the paid service was launched you could quite literally hear the unbridled laughter fromn PC gamers that Microsoft would even try such a moronic thing.  So millions of PC gamers didn't bother with GFWL and even after Microsoft ditched the fee millions of PC gamers still ignored or avoided GFWL titles because the client was crap.  Now Microsoft is retiring GFWL and starting all over again.

You see whilst you are only one voice when it joins with many, companies listen.  The minute you start going "oh I am only one person what is the point" that is the point the company will walk right over you and treat you with utter contempt and you deserve it really.

People still pay for Live because it comes with other things like security, not having the worrying about people using mods to cheat, cloud storage, and the ability to acess social networks and thrid party software on the 360.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

One day, 101 pages.

You listening, EA?!

Talk to Gabe. He's willing to talk. You, are evidently not.

[Ponendus]

crimzontearz wrote...

Ponendus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
sooo here's another thing I'm not understanding...

discussion of piracy is not allowed.....understandable

Endorsing piracy also not allowed and completely understandable

but Origin is going to inflate piracy (you know it is) if anything by doing something that is arguably just as morally reprehensible as piracy...sure two wrongs don't make a right and three rights make a left but how can we discuss this situation without pointing out the obvious fact that Origin is indeed going to make people want to pirate the game out is spite?
again not endorsing piracy...just saying that censoring people on the subject is going to add fuel to the fire....

But no DRM will also inflate piracy (The Witcher 2 proved it), so what is your solution? I still haven't seen one.

piracy is not going to be stopped by DRM so you may as well not get people to be spiteful of you and your product

That is deflecting ownership of the issue. Why are you spiteful of the company and product, what is the actual problem? You are saying the company should stop DRM because people get angry it is there. I say people should stop getting angry when there is no reason to, or at least offer a useful alternative solution.