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[TheJiveDJ]

didymos1120 wrote...

TheJiveDJ wrote...

 I don't have to authenticate my Blu-Ray discs before I play them and it is very easy to pirate those.

You think Blu-ray doesn't use DRM?  Just because you're not aware of it doesn't mean it isn't there.

Well I have no problem playing my 40 something Blu-Ray discs without the need of an active internet connection.  Your point = moot.

Edit: My main argument was not for piracy prevention, but for continuity of service and actually owning what you've purchased.  Yes some Blu-Ray discs may have DRM, but I never remember needing an active internet connection to play any of my movies, even on the initial play.  This means I can use the product whenever I wish without worrying whether X company's "Blu-Ray athentication servers" are shut down.

Modifié par TheJiveDJ, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:27 .

[Ryzaki]

MustOnen wrote...

 Inb4 ME3 becomes the most pirated game of 2012.
Shame EA didn't learn anything from Spore.

Oh god I forgot about Spore.

Spore blows that DRM severely reduces piracy theory out the window.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:21 .

[goofyomnivore]

He plainly states that there are no stats available in the very first line.

He gave an optimistic estimation and expected it to be worse. It is his money after all I don't think he would stretch the truth about it for the lulz do you?

I could get higher numbers doing the exact same thing for BF3.

People did for other games and their ratio not numbers are much lower. For BF3 to reach TW2 CEO projected stats (which I doubt he would lie about) since you know saying your game is getting pirated 5:1 doesn't exactly promote people to buy it. To me it says it is easy as hell to pirate and get for free (I don't pirate though). BF3 would need be pirated more than than the projected top three combined in a matter of 4 months?

Modifié par strive, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:24 .

[crimzontearz]

Ponendus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Ponendus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
sooo here's another thing I'm not understanding...

discussion of piracy is not allowed.....understandable

Endorsing piracy also not allowed and completely understandable

but Origin is going to inflate piracy (you know it is) if anything by doing something that is arguably just as morally reprehensible as piracy...sure two wrongs don't make a right and three rights make a left but how can we discuss this situation without pointing out the obvious fact that Origin is indeed going to make people want to pirate the game out is spite?
again not endorsing piracy...just saying that censoring people on the subject is going to add fuel to the fire....

But no DRM will also inflate piracy (The Witcher 2 proved it), so what is your solution? I still haven't seen one.

piracy is not going to be stopped by DRM so you may as well not get people to be spiteful of you and your product

That is deflecting ownership of the issue. Why are you spiteful of the company and product, what is the actual problem? You are saying the company should stop DRM because people get angry it is there. I say people should stop getting angry when there is no reason to, or at least offer a useful alternative solution.

MOI?

no, I'm a 360 player so Origin does not phase me or affect me personally.

others have every right to be angry given what origin does....

the alternative solution is to do what CDP did or game on consoles only

[Ryzaki]

strive wrote...

He plainly states that there are no stats available in the very first line.

He gave an optimistic estimation and expected it to be worse. It is his money after all I don't think he would stretch the truth about it for the lulz do you?

I could get higher numbers doing the exact same thing for BF3.

People did for other games and their ratio not numbers are much lower.

I really can't be bothered actually doing that to check (because frankly to me it sounds like complete bull) but Spore.

DRM strict.

Pirated out the wazoo.

So no all DRM doesn't lead to severely reduced piracy.

Edit: That said I'm stopping.

I do NOT endorse piracy in any way shape or form.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:24 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Thing is Bioware can't do anything about this , this all centers around EA.EA is the only one here that can agree to not require origins , which their not going to that.At the end of the day you either agree to terms/install origin , you boycott or use illegal means.

[Icinix]

Ponendus wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Sofia Lamb wrote...

dcal31 wrote...

Anyone else on here remember back to ME when Bioware was teamed up Microsoft? You know, super evil corporation #1? Seems to me that I don't remember near the amount to rage and hassle about installing ME on PC then. So congrats, EA. You make Microsoft seem like the lesser evil in the Super Evil Organization category.

There was a similar amount of rage when the PC port's DRM was revealed.

And there was also a similar amount when disc checks were first brought out yet now most people all seem happy with it.

Disc checks make sense for a retail edition.

Online checks for a retail edition don't.

I hate requiring anything to do with online for a retail purchased single player game.

I'm trying to understand why you hate it though? I see this opinion a lot. Do you hate it simply because you do or is there a specific reason. Not fighting with you, I genuinely am interested in understanding.

The sad part is that internet coverage is not global, its also not fast in every area where it is covered.

I travel a bit (not as much as some, but enough its an issue). So when I'm on the road or away from home, if I pick up a game that wants internet, I am more often than not in a situation where I am screwed. I haven't bought a Ubisoft game that requires an always on connection for this reason. If I can get a connection, steam decides it won't let me play a game without an update - but the connection isn't fast enough for the update to be done in less than 6 hours.

Even if I am at home, I live in Alice Springs - dead centre of Australia. The internet fluctuates a lot. Sometimes its fast enough to be useable. Sometimes its not.

Things like Steam give me so much grief.The online/ offline function doesn't work as reliably as you would think. I have been left for days without being to play games because Steam would refuse to load because it couldn't get a connection.

Thats the basics behind it.

[SirLysander]

charmingcharlie wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
This is laughable to me. These measures accomplish nothing. Case in point, I've refused to pay for Xbox live gold for years, and yet I still can't play any multiplayer games. Why didn't Microsoft listen? Because I am one in a million. Why would they care?

It is pretty elementary why you are still paying for live on the Xbox.  It is so elementary I can't believe I am having to tell you but here goes.  You are still having to pay for Xbox live because NOT ENOUGH of you stood up to Microsoft.  That is why Microsoft doesn't care, because your voice isn't loud enough.

ACTUALLY, it's even more 'elementary' why I pay them for XBox Live - they are offering a service for a price, which while I may prefer to be lower, I consider within the realm of "acceptable", so I accept their offer and pay them.  It's basic contract "stuff" - Offer, Acceptance, Consideration exchanged (access to service for price paid).  If I did not accept the price they were requesting, and they did not accept a counter offer on price, then I would not be able to partake of their service nor would they be able to partake of my money.

Likewise Blizzard and World of Warcraft - millions consider the monthly fee an acceptable term of their offer, thus pay.  I do not, thus I neither pay nor play WoW.  Basic stuff, really.

Now contrast that with GFWL a service that Microsoft launched on the PC which also incurred a fee like Xbox live.  When the paid service was launched you could quite literally hear the unbridled laughter fromn PC gamers that Microsoft would even try such a moronic thing.  So millions of PC gamers didn't bother with GFWL and even after Microsoft ditched the fee millions of PC gamers still ignored or avoided GFWL titles because the client was crap.  Now Microsoft is retiring GFWL and starting all over again.

You see whilst you are only one voice when it joins with many, companies listen.  The minute you start going "oh I am only one person what is the point" that is the point the company will walk right over you and treat you with utter contempt and you deserve it really.

Not moronic, but the market did not support it in that format.  Remember, WoW is a PC game, and it quite adequately (from Blizzard's point of view) supports a pay-monthly-to-play format.

Modifié par SirLysander, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:25 .

[Unpleasant Implications]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

anzolino wrote...

strive: http://www.urbandict...p?term=Biodrone this?

I find that offensive. Sonic Chronicles was a wonderful game!

It was the best Sonic title I have to admit.

I liked it as well, and am sad it's cliffhanger ending will remain just that. (sigh)

And so that this post is on topic, I can understand why Origin would want to compete with Steam. They want all of the money for the products they own for themselves, this I can understand.

Though scanning files that have nothing to do with your service is a big no-no in my book. Shame on you EA. This will make me consider exactly who publishes future games before purchase.

Modifié par Unpleasant Implications, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:25 .

[Marionetten]

strive wrote...

He gave an optimistic estimation and
expected it to be worse. It is his money after all I don't think he
would stretch the truth about it for the lulz do you?

He's guessing and he admits to it. There are no actual statistics here. It's all guesswork based on a highly unreliable method.

strive wrote...

People did for other games and their ratio not numbers are much lower.

I'm looking at numbers right now on a popular site which I won't mention for obvious reasons and Battlefield 3 sits at 3000 whereas The Witcher 2 doesn't even break 1000. Reason dictates that the more a game sells the more pirated it will be. That said, I'd suggest ending the piracy discussion before this thread gets locked.

Modifié par Marionetten, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:25 .

[Ponendus]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Pissing all over my privacy rights =/= protecting their product.
This is like if Smiths put a new policy in their store where you had to agree to have someone follow you around the store and inspect everything you brought with you before you even step inside.
Why should I go through hoops to buy something?
how is it even practicle?  They already have a good product they already gave me a good reason to buy it how is that stopping piracy?
how?
it boggles the mind how some people think this is stopping it.
While you have all your employees following me around your store the real shoplifters have already came in pocketted what they wanted and left.  Watching the person who wants to buy isn't just the wrong way to go about it its insulting to think it is.

Your analogy makes no sense at all in this context. Also how are they violating your privacy? Are you even aware? Still haven't answered my question, why are you angry at them?

[Rockworm503]

Ponendus wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Pissing all over my privacy rights =/= protecting their product.
This is like if Smiths put a new policy in their store where you had to agree to have someone follow you around the store and inspect everything you brought with you before you even step inside.
Why should I go through hoops to buy something?
how is it even practicle?  They already have a good product they already gave me a good reason to buy it how is that stopping piracy?
how?
it boggles the mind how some people think this is stopping it.
While you have all your employees following me around your store the real shoplifters have already came in pocketted what they wanted and left.  Watching the person who wants to buy isn't just the wrong way to go about it its insulting to think it is.

Your analogy makes no sense at all in this context. Also how are they violating your privacy? Are you even aware? Still haven't answered my question, why are you angry at them?

Ok had I known I was talking ot someone who was just going to ignore everything I wouldn't have bothered.
I think I've said what needed to be said a billion times now.

[Finwik]

The only way to make your point is to cancel. I have 8 friends that canceled BEFORE me, I'll be canceling this Tuesday, and I have 3 more friends planning to cancel after today.

[izmirtheastarach]

Doing anything at all on the internet likely violates your privacy. 

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:29 .

[goofyomnivore]

I'm looking at numbers right now on a popular site which I won't mention for obvious reasons and Battlefield 3 sits at 3000 whereas The Witcher 2 doesn't even break 1000. That said, I'd suggest ending the piracy discussion before this thread gets locked.

The point. Missing it. I'm not arguing that BF3 gets pirated less in the sense of raw numbers. I'm arguing it gets pirated less in the manner of ratios. BF3 can afford to be pirated 10 million copies because they sell like 5 million copies. TW2 may have only 1 million pirates but they sell only 250,000 games.

He's guessing and he admits to it. There are no actual statistics here.

I'd say his guess isn't far off because he is speaking very close to the situation. Why would he even drop a statistic like that if he didn't think it was true? Why would you essentially promote piracy on your game if it wasn't a viable concern and issue going forward.

Modifié par strive, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:28 .

[Icinix]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Doing anything at all on the internet likely violates your privacy.

That doesn't mean we should all just lie down and accept it.

[Ottemis]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Doing anything at all on the internet likely violates your privacy.

Doing anything at all on the internet you willingly violate your own privacy =P

[Rockworm503]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Doing anything at all on the internet likely violates your privacy.

lol thats a very good point.
I should let EA do whatever they want because the internet exists.

[Chala]

This thread just has one day old and it already has surpassed the 100 pages!
Is growing as fast as the old Tali threads

[izmirtheastarach]

Rockworm503 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Doing anything at all on the internet likely violates your privacy.

lol thats a very good point.
I should let EA do whatever they want because the internet exists.

No, but you should probably cancel your broadband account.

[Complistic]

I really really wish they made it optional. But they won't.

[izmirtheastarach]

Seriously, wouldn't that make the biggest impact from the pocketbook standpoint? Cancel your internet connection. Then no one can violate your privacy through it. Because your ISP is likely tracking your every move and selling that to the highest bidder.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:31 .

[Marionetten]

strive wrote...

The point. Missing it. I'm not arguing that BF3 gets pirated less in the sense of raw numbers. I'm arguing it gets pirated less in the manner of ratios. BF3 can afford to be pirated 10 million copies because they sell like 5 million copies. TW2 may have only 1 million pirates but they sell only 250,000 games.

You're the one missing my point here. Your argument has no factual basis to it and is impossible to prove due to the sheer amount of trackers out there. The fact is that nobody knows how many times Battlefield 3 or The Witcher 2 got pirated. Best we can do is make guesses based on anecdotal evidence.

[jcdentonEDF]

Thank you for post, Mr. Chris Priestly.
The following contains my response, make of it whatever you will, for I won't be returning here anyhow, nor do I care for a response to this post.

1 - I'll be gladly coordinating with the usual 'suspects' of chaos and disorder to make sure that Mass Effect 3 is available on every torrent site at least a week before release.  Watch out for that

2 - You will not see a dime from myself or from the vast majority of your fans, very few people have the will to put up with this, and only by massive sales losses will you wise up and realize your mistake.  Too little, too late, BioWare will end up like InterPlay, a forgotten memory of good times before selling out.

3 - None of this DRM is to prevent piracy, the game will be pirated and on the torrents at least a week ahead of time, as I've said.  The usual arrangements, you know how it is.  The purpose of this DRM is to get enough people to swallow your dirty pills to get them used to the idea of 'long term rentals' of games instead of actually owning them.  You will NOT succeed and resistance is NOT futile.  We will NOT comply with your requests, demands, or BS.

4 - The DRM-free version (sans Origin) will be available to anyone and everyone who wishes to download it.  Check your fav torrent site about a week before scheduled release and be sure to tell your friends!

5 - We will also be hosting DRM-free dedicated multiplayer servers for anyone who wishes to use the torrented version there.  No mandatory Origin BS required.

"Corporations of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind.  On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone.  You are not welcome among us.  You have no sovereignty where we gather."

We are Legion.
We do not Forgive.
We do not Forget.
Expect Us.
We will be Waiting

Modifié par jcdentonEDF, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:31 .

[RaenImrahl]

crimzontearz wrote...

BUT....I am discussing the censorship of Piracy talk not piracy itself and its effects....

Also I am not endorsing piracy

You made your argument-- as I understand it, you believe this represents a bad business move because you believe EA is primarily motivated to require Origin to fight piracy and that it won't work, right?

Okay, you said it.  Cool.  You haven't been banned. 

However, reiterating the same point over and over again... whether it is about piracy or anything else, does NOT further the topic at hand.

Edit:  Adding...

Ryzaki wrote...

So no all DRM doesn't lead to severely reduced piracy.

Edit: That said I'm stopping.

I do NOT endorse piracy in any way shape or form.

Good idea.

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:32 .