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[Dragoonlordz]

Sundance31us wrote...
Either that or we’re all here for the drama and free cake.

The latter is why I remain here, the former is why I came.

(Though really I came because I have an opinion on the subject and have the same right to express it as other people)

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 04:18 .

[GruberEXN]

Just registered myself to say that I cancelled my pre-order too.

[SirLysander]

charmingcharlie wrote...

SirLysander wrote.. ACTUALLY, it's even more 'elementary' why I pay them for XBox Live - they are offering a service for a price, which while I may prefer to be lower, I consider within the realm of "acceptable", so I accept their offer and pay them.  It's basic contract "stuff" - Offer, Acceptance, Consideration exchanged (access to service for price paid).  If I did not accept the price they were requesting, and they did not accept a counter offer on price, then I would not be able to partake of their service nor would they be able to partake of my money.

That same service you pay a price for can be found on the PS3 and PC what's more that service is FREE.  The reason you have to pay is because not enough of you stood up and said "NO".  You are having to pay for your service that millions of others do not have to pay for because you are willing to accept that kind of rubbish.

No, if it were the same service, there would be cross-platform interplay.  There isn't, thus they are similar, but not interchangeable, services.  As I have an XBox but not a Playstation, saying "use PSN" really isn't an option without further purchases I deem 'not to be an acceptable use of available funds.'  Likewise, while I obviously have a computer, purchasing a new, 'bleeding edge' machine simply for running games isn't what I deem the best use of available funds as I have a computer that adequately meets my other needs and an XBox with a sufficient number of games making their replacement into a PC format an additional expense. 

As I said, *I* found Microsoft's offer for their service at a particular price acceptable.  It sounds like you do not.  All consumers are different.

SirLysander wrote.. Likewise Blizzard and World of Warcraft - millions consider the monthly fee an acceptable term of their offer, thus pay.  I do not, thus I neither pay nor play WoW.  Basic stuff, really.

If enough people stopped paying for the service that MMO would become free 2 play faster than you can say "Origin isn't spyware .... honest guv'nor". Blizzard charge because they know they can get away with it, just like Microsoft charges Xbox users for basic features other gamers get for free because they know they can get away with it.

Perhaps, or perhaps it would end up just like the Dragon Age Facebook game - marginally acceptable in the early stages, but a 'pay real money for in-game items' model.  Neither Bioware (nor Zynga, for that matter) have seen a dime from me as I do not consider the offer to be acceptable.  I know people who do, so to each their own.

SirLysander wrote..  Not moronic, but the market did not support it in that format.  Remember, WoW is a PC game, and it quite adequately (from Blizzard's point of view) supports a pay-monthly-to-play format.

It was moronic because anyone with half a brain cell and a mere smattering of knowledge about how PC gaming works could have told them it was never going to be successful.  When GFWL was launched Steam was already miles better, offering more features and a better service and whats more it was FREE.  Now are you trying to tell me that Microsoft releasing an inferior service with less features and then on top of that charging a price for it was not moronic ?

My recollection of your earlier post was along the lines that GFWL broke down partly because the quality of the games offered through it.  Had the games offered through it been of much higher quality, or in stronger demand, then it's quite possible it might not have broken down (or, broken down as soon as it did).  Poor planning and poor execution are deplorable, but not necessarily moronic.  Then again, there's the saying that one should not ascribe to malace what can be equally said to arise from stupidity.

My point has always been that YOU are the customer if you want real change in this industry if you want certain practices to stop then YOU have to be prepared to put your money where your mouth is.  If you do not like paying online on Xbox live then do something about it, move to a competitor or just stop paying for Xbox live.  The same goes for Origin if people are not happy with it then do not support it in any way whatsoever (I know I won't).

I like the 'put your money where your mouth is' quote - because that's what business is all about.  On the other hand, I do not expect someone provide me a good or service for my benefit or enjoyment without knowing they are expecting some benefit(usually by remuneration i.e. money) or an otherwise exchange of goods or services, although the latter is far more rare than the former.  I don't have a problem with XBox Live or, at present, it's price, thus I see no reason to change or terminate the present arrangement. 

[Weskerr]

Adugan wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

BioWare is schizophrenic about stickying this thread. It's been stickied, unstickied, stickied, and unstickied.

I kind of feel sorry for the mods. This really isn't their fault.

I agree. Either BioWare employees have unstickied it without notifying the mods or they have notified them but the mods sticky it anyway. The former is true most likely.

I am pretty sure Chris is the one unstickying this. On like page 20 he said that he didnt think this should be sticked, and if we wanted it at the top we should just keep posting in it. Then the thread got stickied. Lol.

Yep I know what you're referring to. As soon as Chris posted that the thread got stickied, again.

[Zanallen]

Weskerr wrote...

I agree. Either BioWare employees have unstickied it without notifying the mods or they have notified them but the mods sticky it anyway. The former is true most likely.

Chris already mentioned, in this very thread, that this thread doesn't need to be stickied. I assume that means he is the one who keeps unsticking it. I also assume that is why it wasn't stickied in the first place.

[shepskisaac]

didymos1120 wrote...

Doubtful. To get a quick reaction out of a corporation EA's size, it'd take a much, much bigger hit to revenue than what'll happen with ME3 on PC.

I wouldn't be so sure. 1 star Amazon rating and a couple of articles in German daily newspapers and tabloids was enough for them to quickly change EULA in Germany and release new PR.

[didymos1120]

IsaacShep wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Doubtful. To get a quick reaction out of a corporation EA's size, it'd take a much, much bigger hit to revenue than what'll happen with ME3 on PC.

I wouldn't be so sure. 1 star Amazon rating and a couple of articles in German daily newspapers and tabloids was enough for them to quickly change EULA in Germany and release new PR.

And yet, like the Dude, Origin abides.

[Rockworm503]

Adugan wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

Nahh... I've enjoyed the discussion.  People have, actually, been behaving well.... for the most part. 

For the record, I did not re-sticky this post today once it was unpinned.  Someone else may have... frankly I did not notice. 

Things actually HAVE been fairly well. No gratuitous cursing or wild finger-pointing, no capsfilled RAEG posts that I've seen...it's surprising.

I must be losing my touch 

Nowai! Rockwom is Chris! 

Hey all we care about is the customers

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Doubtful. To get a quick reaction out of a corporation EA's size, it'd take a much, much bigger hit to revenue than what'll happen with ME3 on PC.

I wouldn't be so sure. 1 star Amazon rating and a couple of articles in German daily newspapers and tabloids was enough for them to quickly change EULA in Germany and release new PR.

It does help that they're trying to compete with a company that does have alot of goodwill. There's not gonna be much of a competition if they ignore the consumer base they're trying to court.

Unless of course they want/don't care if Steam continues getting most of the DD downloads and stuff save EA titles. Then they might not give a damn how much people trust them. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 janvier 2012 - 04:22 .

[Weskerr]

Sundance31us wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Things actually HAVE been fairly well. No gratuitous cursing or wild finger-pointing, no capsfilled RAEG posts that I've seen...it's surprising.

Though we may all feel differently about Chris’ update, we do have one thing in common...we're all here because of how we feel about the game.

Either that or we’re all here for the drama and free cake.

I can just speak for myself. What you said is true. I was so hyped and looking forward to playing Mass Effect 3 and I'm disappointed that I won't be now. I don't regret my pre-order cancellation though and I never will.

[izmirtheastarach]

I have two pre-orders. I win.

[Relix28]

didymos1120 wrote...

Relix28 wrote...

They can take down this thread....but they wil NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!

Ekhm.....yeah, seriously though, I hope they realize the potential loss of sales for the PC, and probably expect a crap load of bad reviews via sites like amazon, and finally give up this travesty of a software called Origin.

Doubtful. To get a quick reaction out of a corporation EA's size, it'd take a much, much bigger hit to revenue than what'll happen with ME3 on PC.

Sadly, ur probably right. It may, however, make enough of an impact for them to at least reconsider changing their terms and make it more customer friendly (you know, like removing all the fascism from their terms). I don't know, I guess we will just have to wait and see.

Modifié par Relix28, 15 janvier 2012 - 04:25 .

[Dragoonlordz]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I have two pre-orders. I win.

I have 3 and one's a CE,  I win. Also I plan on keeping my pre-orders too.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 04:24 .

[Ryzaki]

jreezy wrote...
I could use money as well. Probably wouldn't ask for much though. Money usually changes people and not for the better.

Money makes the world go around. Sadly it tends too. But I'm a special snowflake.

As for cancelling preorders. I'm gonna have ME3 under my name come March. Whether it's for a console version (most likely at this point) or for the PC version.

[Rockworm503]

SirLysander wrote...

 

Its cute watching people happily pay for something that is free to those of us who don't have to

[Adugan]

Ryzaki wrote...

jreezy wrote...
I could use money as well. Probably wouldn't ask for much though. Money usually changes people and not for the better.

Money makes the world go around. Sadly it tends too. But I'm a special snowflake.

As for cancelling preorders. I'm gonna have ME3 under my name come March. Whether it's for a console version (most likely at this point) or for the PC version.

Sadly, I dont do console. Too clunky for me, and no mod support. However, I will... legitimately install Origin and play ME3 on PC. 

[Dragoonlordz]

Relix28 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Relix28 wrote...

They can take down this thread....but they wil NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!

Ekhm.....yeah, seriously though, I hope they realize the potential loss of sales for the PC, and probably expect a crap load of bad reviews via sites like amazon, and finally give up this travesty of a software called Origin.

Doubtful. To get a quick reaction out of a corporation EA's size, it'd take a much, much bigger hit to revenue than what'll happen with ME3 on PC.

Sadly, ur probably right. It may, however, make enough of an impact for them to at least reconsider changing their terms and make it more customer friendly. I don't know, I guess we will just have to wait and see.

I don't think it will change on this issue. Changing some words in their EULA is one thing but cancelling their plan for future of trying to market their own online client service similar to steam won't be stopped especially given all the income EA has from other sources, even if ME3 is a good seller it is a drop in the ocean in comparrison.

[izmirtheastarach]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I have two pre-orders. I win.

I have 3 and one's a CE,  I win. Also I plan on keeping my pre-orders too.

I have two CE's, but maybe I'll go get another one so I'll come out on top.

[Rockworm503]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I have two pre-orders. I win.

I'm going to go pre-order it 5 times just so I can cancell it

[Dragoonlordz]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I have two pre-orders. I win.

I have 3 and one's a CE,  I win. Also I plan on keeping my pre-orders too.

I have two CE's, but maybe I'll go get another one so I'll come out on top.

Me no like you anymore... 

[shepskisaac]

And I for now am waiting for more detailed answers from BioWare/EA regarding Origin usage in singleplayer game. Depending on what the answer is, I will either buy on PC (if I can uninstall Origin after single authorization) or will have to settle for PS3.

[sackyhack]

Wow, they unstickied this. I'm not in the Origin hate camp but I get the feeling they're kinda ashamed of the negative reaction this got and are hoping the thread will die by itself. As much as I think people are over-reacting to Origin, I'd be much happier if I didn't have to deal with the extra hurdle. I think this topic is still full of really important information and answers the questions people have been asking for months, so there's really no logical explanation for why they don't want this stickied other than shame. Make sure to keep bumping this until Monday so they actually see it once they're back in the office.

Modifié par sackyhack, 15 janvier 2012 - 04:29 .