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[ArkkAngel007]

I love how everyone on here is a programming expert.

[goofyomnivore]

But that would be a ditigal verion of FIFA right? Downloaded via Origin right? So I think digital version would have even smaller chance being able to run without Origin.

I doubt disc or not matters once Origin gets its hands on your product key it is digitally on there. I got my Fifa 12 from Best Buy(disc version) now it is pretty much a digital version the only good the cd does is bypass downloading the game again. I installed the game via disc, but it is in my "library".

[N0-Future]

TankingTick wrote...

Hookers ---> Wear protection

Origin ---> Sand Box.

Won't say more.

I like they way you think... lol

[Icinix]

Mclouvins wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Why do we need a program for the game?

Really?

This has been my issue with Steam, Origin, whatever. Why when we buy a game, can't we just get the damn game.

Why do we need SOMETHING else.

Are you trying to push people from the PC market? Are you trying to force them to go to console?

Origin, Steam, Windows Live - they all make life more difficult than they need to be.

Please. Stop.

Well development for consoles is easier because the hardware is standardized but it's mainly to slow (skull and crossbones) and prevent day one (plank walkers). Look at the Witcher 2 which had no drm and has an estimated pirated v purchased ratio of 5:1.

I would love to have this discussion and see others peoples thoughts - but that topic is taboo.

However - is that the official stance on why we need Origin - its DRM capabilities?

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

PDesign wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...
And what about the reports that Origin "reviews the filenames" of the contents of the rest of one's hard drive, not just the ProgramData/Origin folder?

Please provide an example of these reports, other than just rumor and hearsay, and I will investigate them with our Origin team. They may just be rumors, but I will investigate if you have a valid source.

"You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services," 

"EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services," the section continues. "We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you."

Its actually kind of funny their own EULA contradicts the statements made lol.

[Wardka]

Icinix wrote...

However - is that the official stance on why we need Origin - its DRM capabilities?

It would surprise me more than anything if we got an answer to that particular question. They'll never tell us exactly why we need Origin, because that'd give us something concrete to refute. Instead the reason will remain nebulous.

[Incognito JC]

Mclouvins wrote...

Well development for consoles is easier because the hardware is standardized but it's mainly to slow piracy and prevent day one piracy. Look at the Witcher 2 which had no drm and has an estimated pirated v purchased ratio of 5:1.

Would they rather have that 5:1 to be 5000:1000, or 5 million:1 million?

I know many people actually bought Witcher 2 to show support to CD Projekt. I am one of them. They listen to fans, constantly releasing patches to fix everything they can, and free DLCs along with it. I do not think they are losing out because of this. Pirates will do what they do best regardless of DRM. It's the paying consumers that suffer.

[Pixieking]

Icinix wrote...

However - is that the official stance on why we need Origin - its DRM capabilities?

The official reason will be a mixture of things.

EA want a Steam competitor.

EA want to keep all the cash from selling DLC themselves.

EA want to control distribution and information a little more.

EA want a DRM system that they don't have to pay an external party for (whether it be SecuRom or Steam or whoever).

Modifié par Emoking, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:42 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Emoking wrote...

Icinix wrote...

However - is that the official stance on why we need Origin - its DRM capabilities?

The official reason will be a mixture of things.

EA want a Steam competitor.

EA want to keep all the cash from selling DLC themselves.

EA want to control distribution and information a little more.

EA want a DRM system that they don't have to pay an external party for (whether it be SecuRom or Steam or whoever).

Which is a perfectly logical marketing decision for EA to require Origin.

[goofyomnivore]

I disagree. 2 months of ME3 info, previews and betas will be enough to persuade a significant proportion of the "Origin? FU. Cancelled" crowd to re-order again. Its all about timing the curve.

Mass Effect 3 is quite small compared to Battlefield 3 and BF3 didn't make a very large ripple onto Origin. Their complaining got Origin a more fluid screename changing system and a slight update in TOS.

Any protest against Mass Effect 3 isn't going to be felt for months at best I'd wager.

If say three or four titles don't do as well as expected on PC then yeah collectively it will impact Origin for the next wave of games. However BF3 is doing quite well despite Origin.

Modifié par strive, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:45 .

[Unpleasant Implications]

jreezy wrote...

The amount of people refusing to buy future BioWare products now is amusing to me. I'm having trouble not smiling right now.

[didymos1120]

Incognito JC wrote...

Would they rather have that 5:1 to be 5000:1000, or 5 million:1 million?

Those are all the same ratio.

[Icinix]

Emoking wrote...

Icinix wrote...

However - is that the official stance on why we need Origin - its DRM capabilities?

The official reason will be a mixture of things.

EA want a Steam competitor.

EA want to keep all the cash from selling DLC themselves.

EA want to control distribution and information a little more.

EA want a DRM system that they don't have to pay an external party for (whether it be SecuRom or Steam or whoever).

Ugh - control, control, bloody control.

Next we'll have to give blood samples to go to the movies.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

didymos1120 wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Would they rather have that 5:1 to be 5000:1000, or 5 million:1 million?

Those are all the same ratio.

Ya I was a little facepalm when I read that.

[shep82]

And this is a surprise why? Still not caring because I already have origin.

[Pixieking]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Icinix wrote...

However - is that the official stance on why we need Origin - its DRM capabilities?

The official reason will be a mixture of things.

EA want a Steam competitor.

EA want to keep all the cash from selling DLC themselves.

EA want to control distribution and information a little more.

EA want a DRM system that they don't have to pay an external party for (whether it be SecuRom or Steam or whoever).

Which is a perfectly logical marketing decision for EA to require Origin.

Yup. But, as I've said before, it contradicts the PR speak of

"We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible
experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are
happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our
ability to connect directly with our consumers."

To me, Steam would be the best experience for Mass Effect 3. To others, neither Steam nor Origin is a "best experience". Thus, their marketing speak grates on my nerves.

[Alex Arterius]

I have Mass Effect 2 on Steam... I've never has these - as Obi Wan Kneobi would say - imperial entanglements (Origin) on my PC and don't particularly want to considering it's some what negative response haha.

My question; if I were to get ME3 with Origin at a later date, how does the save import work? I take it I will still be able to do this okay?

- Alex

[Jonathan Shepard]

Psearo wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

strive wrote...

This thread has been surprisingly mild. At least there is an opt out. Now just fix Origin's appetite for memory.

There's no op-out. That's just for ME3 saves data, same thing as in ME2. There's no opt-out from data-mining Orign does everywhere else

No option for opting out beyond ME3? Are you sure about that?

Hm.
Well, I've opted out of data sharing on my EA profile. So, as long as Origin itself doesn't have to be running while ME3 does, I might be able to tolerate this. I still see many unanswered questions though. Will continue to monitor the situation. Hopefully all is not nearly as bad as some people fear. Luckily I don't keep sensitive info on my laptop.

[Incognito JC]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Would they rather have that 5:1 to be 5000:1000, or 5 million:1 million?

Those are all the same ratio.

Ya I was a little facepalm when I read that.

I'm having the biggest facepalm here. Would they rather have a couple thousand people playing their game because of the DRM crap, or have millions buying their game regardless of the piracy count. The ratio is supposed to be the same. Ugh.

[Wardka]

Emoking wrote...

To me, Steam would be the best experience for Mass Effect 3. To others, neither Steam nor Origin is a "best experience". Thus, their marketing speak grates on my nerves.

Mine too, believe me. But marketing speech is all you'll hear on this subject, trust me. BioWare has been great at communicating with its fan about pretty much everything but this, and it's easy to figure out why. This is all EA's ballpark, and they're given strict orders about what to say or not.

[G0ldmember]

I appreciate what you're doing Chris and I respect that you have to be the messenger, but I'm not happy with the answers. I guess I will just install origin with it, but will be damn sure I sandbox the whole thing so that there is no way its going outside the boundaries I set for it to go. Restricted folders, port redirecting and program rights, locked down.

[Pixieking]

Alex Arterius wrote...

I have Mass Effect 2 on Steam... I've never has these - as Obi Wan Kneobi would say - imperial entanglements (Origin) on my PC and don't particularly want to considering it's some what negative response haha.

My question; if I were to get ME3 with Origin at a later date, how does the save import work? I take it I will still be able to do this okay?

- Alex

No reason why not. If memory serves Save Games are stored in a BioWare subfolder of the MyDocs folder of Windows, which is accessible by both Steam and Origin.