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[Thoth_Amon]

Ryzaki wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Coincidently, Steam is the only one of those retailers who wants a 30% cut of DLC profits.

In my customer's viewpoint, I'd like to see 30% sales on DLC and real prices on the BSN.

Same. You know devs since ME3 isn't on steam and you guys want to give us the best service possible.

Since they're making 100% of the profits from an Origin digital sale and a much higher profit margin via digital sales vs. retail sales, why don't they knock the price down $10 for digital copies?  


Hahahaha, fat chance.

[shepskisaac]

The new Steam policy is simple. They want publishers to offer DLC through Steam as well. Nothing to do with exclusivity or anything like that. The publishers can sell their games and their DLC anywhere else they wish for whatever price they wish. But if they want to sell games on Steam, then Valve wants them to also offer DLC to these games for sale on Steam. Not like it was with ME2 (which was before policy change) where you could buy the game from Steam but the DLC was purchasable only outside Steam.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:25 .

[Ryzaki]

Thoth_Amon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Coincidently, Steam is the only one of those retailers who wants a 30% cut of DLC profits.

In my customer's viewpoint, I'd like to see 30% sales on DLC and real prices on the BSN.

Same. You know devs since ME3 isn't on steam and you guys want to give us the best service possible.

Since they're making 100% of the profits from an Origin digital sale and a much higher profit margin via digital sales vs. retail sales, why don't they knock the price down $10 for digital copies?  


Hahahaha, fat chance.

If they did knock the price down that'd be enough for me to buy it and STFU about origin. At least that way I'd be getting something out of it.

[NubXL]

Thoth_Amon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Coincidently, Steam is the only one of those retailers who wants a 30% cut of DLC profits.

In my customer's viewpoint, I'd like to see 30% sales on DLC and real prices on the BSN.

Same. You know devs since ME3 isn't on steam and you guys want to give us the best service possible.

Since they're making 100% of the profits from an Origin digital sale and a much higher profit margin via digital sales vs. retail sales, why don't they knock the price down $10 for digital copies?  


Hahahaha, fat chance.

Should already be $10 lower than it is.  EA followed Activision's lead in raising PC game prices from $50 to $60.

[Adugan]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

But you now have Bioware making the next C&C, good news to some. The game will probably be good regardless of other peoples issues with EA. Even if myself I did not like the Original C&C Generals so not keen on following one.

:o:o:o:o

You have now earned my unrequited despise. You sicken me.

Want to know a secret?
I haven't played a single C&C game except maybe the first like for 5 minutes when it was new.

Generals is the only one worth anything.

TW was good IMO, i have a soft spot for quality scifi games.

[Sundance31us]

Zanallen wrote...

Dpartd wrote...
Do you have a copy of this policy?  Please share.

Do I have a copy of Steam's policy on DLC sales? No, can't say that I do. But that IS what the EA/Steam arguments are about. Steam created a new policy around May or June maybe (Sometime after Arrival was released at least) that forces all games available on Steam to have their patches and DLC available on Steam as well. Steam gets a cut of these sales, the number I have seen being tossed about being 30%.

Found the following earlier today...yesterday.

Valve Business Solutions
http://www.steampowe...amworks/FAQ.php

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
4. What is your revenue split?

We don't discuss our revenue split publicly. Once we take a look at your game, we'll get to those details.

I doubt any of the distribution agreements are available online.

[Thoth_Amon]

Ryzaki wrote...

If they did knock the price down that'd be enough for me to buy it and STFU about origin. At least that way I'd be getting something out of it.

I probably would too!  Imagine how that might have played out.  

"ME3 available on D2D, Impulse, GamersGate and Steam for $59.99!  Wait!  There's more...  

Pre-order at Origin for exclusive bonus content and a special pre-order discount!"

I'd have no problem with that.  They're giving people options while adding more value to their store than the competition. Why doesn't EA spin it that way?  I should be a VP at EA.

[Adugan]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Adugan wrote...

TW was good IMO, i have a soft spot for quality scifi games.

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No comment.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

IsaacShep wrote...

The new Steam policy is simple. They want publishers to offer DLC through Steam as well. Nothing to do with exclusivity or anything like that. The publishers can sell their games and their DLC anywhere else they wish for whatever price they wish. But if they want to sell games on Steam, then Valve wants them to also offer DLC to these games for sale on Steam. Not like it was with ME2 (which was before policy change) where you could buy the game from Steam but the DLC was purchasable only outside Steam.

Is that it? I never quite understood because information was so disorganized in this issue. Wow, it really restricts the relationship with developers and consumers I guess.

[izmirtheastarach]

Ryzaki wrote...

If they did knock the price down that'd be
enough for me to buy it and STFU about origin. At least that way I'd be
getting something out of it.

Direct2Drive has the CE at $71.95 and the regular at $53.95.

[Ryzaki]

Thoth_Amon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

If they did knock the price down that'd be enough for me to buy it and STFU about origin. At least that way I'd be getting something out of it.

I probably would too!  Imagine how that might have played out.  

"ME3 available on D2D, Impulse, GamersGate and Steam for $59.99!  Wait!  There's more...  

Pre-order at Origin for exclusive bonus content and a special pre-order discount!"

I'd have no problem with that.  They're giving people options while adding more value to their store than the competition. Why doesn't EA spin it that way?  I should be a VP at EA.

Nah EA might have to suffer the horror known as giving discounts.

Can't have that.

[Dpartd]

Thoth_Amon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

If they did knock the price down that'd be enough for me to buy it and STFU about origin. At least that way I'd be getting something out of it.

I probably would too!  Imagine how that might have played out.  

"ME3 available on D2D, Impulse, GamersGate and Steam for $59.99!  Wait!  There's more...  

Pre-order at Origin for exclusive bonus content and a special pre-order discount!"

I'd have no problem with that.  They're giving people options while adding more value to their store than the competition. Why doesn't EA spin it that way?  I should be a VP at EA.

Yes you should.  This would have made me happy and I would have personally been glad to buy ME3 for a higher price on a better service (i.e. Steam).

[Ryzaki]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

If they did knock the price down that'd be
enough for me to buy it and STFU about origin. At least that way I'd be
getting something out of it.

Direct2Drive has the CE at $71.95 and the regular at $53.95.

Yeah but then I'd have 4 useless clients on my software. No thanks. I said before I draw the line at three.

[shepskisaac]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Direct2Drive has the CE at $71.95 and the regular at $53.95.

How big D2D is? By the frequency of mentions, it always appeared to me they #2 after Steam on digital market. Is it true?

[Brockololly]

Marionetten wrote...

EA was trying to exploit a loophole by selling DLC through the game effectively cutting Valve out of the picture entirely while enjoying Steam's clientele. Valve amended their TOS to prevent it. EA got mad and threw their toys out of the pram.

Yup. And of course, on PC you're forced to buy odd denominations of BioWare bucks or whatever imaginary currency they have to buy the DLC, which is never on sale either, unlike Xbox or PS3. Whereas if BioWare/EA would just offer the DLC for sale on Steam like every other game, you could actually buy the DLC with actual currency and probably on sale.

As I understand it, EA seems to just want special treatment from Valve in taking advantage of Steam's user base in selling their base games but then cutting Valve off from even the prospect of offering subsequent DLC to the consumer directly through Steam. Its not excluding EA from still offering DLC from their own sites, but they just would need to offer it separately on Steam too. Thats the case with the Games for Windows Live games on Steam like Arkham City that still have Games for Windows Live Marketplace to buy DLC if you want, where Valve doesn't see any cut from that.

And hell, its not like Steam's new terms of service are any more restrictive than Xbox Live or PSN. It comes down to EA wanting more money from DLC and not sharing any of that with Valve by not putting their DLC up on Steam. It has nothing to do with "interacting with the customers," it has to do with money. Its not like BioWare is going to be patching like crazy like an MMO or Minecraft- they're still limited by Live and PSN's limits on patches. Just look at how handcuffed they were in trying to fix stuff in DA:Awakening based on limited file sizes for the consoles.

[Pkxm]

Ryzaki wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

If they did knock the price down that'd be
enough for me to buy it and STFU about origin. At least that way I'd be
getting something out of it.

Direct2Drive has the CE at $71.95 and the regular at $53.95.

Yeah but then I'd have 4 useless clients on my software. No thanks. I said before I draw the line at three.

Just take the code and activate it on Origin (you will have to install Origin anyway) and download it through that. No d2d client required (I think)

[Wittand25]

Thoth_Amon wrote...
Since they're making 100% of the profits from an Origin digital sale and a much higher profit margin via digital sales vs. retail sales, why don't they knock the price down $10 for digital copies?  


Hahahaha, fat chance.

It would create quite a legal problem if EA distributed a game to stores (both retail and online) with a recommended price and then undercut it on it´s own store ?
They could do promotions (like free BioWare points if you buy before April, ...), but the regular price has to be the recommended retail price.

[Ryzaki]

Jsxdf wrote..
Just take the code and activate it on Origin (you will have to install Origin anyway) and download it through that. No d2d client required (I think)

*eyebrow furrows* So I take the code from D2D and download it off Origin? That sounds odd.

See this is why I stick with brick and mortar.

[Adugan]

Ryzaki wrote...

Jsxdf wrote..
Just take the code and activate it on Origin (you will have to install Origin anyway) and download it through that. No d2d client required (I think)

*eyebrow furrows* So I take the code from D2D and download it off Origin? That sounds odd.

See this is why I stick with brick and mortar.

FIRE THE MORTARS

[goofyomnivore]

I thought publishers weren't allowed to undercut distributors until a certain amount of time has passed or it was the final version (dlc, patches, etc).

Modifié par strive, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:55 .

[thisrhythm]

Orly? Well you won't be seeing my 80 USD. Piratebay. AH! - HA!

I always hear fabricated statistics being thrown around for piracy sales lost. You guys should make up some for origin sales lost now. <3 :happy:

Modifié par thisrhythm, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:56 .

[Sundance31us]

strive wrote...
I thought publishers weren't allowed to undercut distributors until a certain amount of time has passed.

In the movie business the percentage does shift.