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[Xeus]

I don't really see the point in all of the people that say they won't buy ME3 if it requires Origin.
Origin does not load up whenever you play an EA game. I have it for a really long time dormant on my computer. If ME3 needs a one time activation than do it and be done with it. does this issue really important enough to miss the conclusion of a game you've been building with your own hands for years?
Also, what kind of info can EA be possibly probing on your computer? Hardware specs and operating system info to understand what kind of PC systems are being used with their games. if you're afraid they will invade the privacy of your digital diary than that's just lame. and if you keep credit card information and bank account information on your computer than you are doing a mistake anyway and EA is the least of your problems.

[Adugan]

Xeus wrote...

I don't really see the point in all of the people that say they won't buy ME3 if it requires Origin.
Origin does not load up whenever you play an EA game. I have it for a really long time dormant on my computer. If ME3 needs a one time activation than do it and be done with it. does this issue really important enough to miss the conclusion of a game you've been building with your own hands for years?
Also, what kind of info can EA be possibly probing on your computer? Hardware specs and operating system info to understand what kind of PC systems are being used with their games. if you're afraid they will invade the privacy of your digital diary than that's just lame. and if you keep credit card information and bank account information on your computer than you are doing a mistake anyway and EA is the least of your problems.

GL with figuring that out, man. 

[Smackabra]

Guess i wont be seeing my crew in ME3 then.

Not paying for spyware.

[Zannana]

Because I have had enough with the following arguments:
1) We do not want Origin invading our computers, yes we realise that the EULA and Origin itself has changed since the Germany incident but nothing stops them from changing back in the future.
2)Not wanting Origin is a matter of principle. Nothing to do with 'you have something to hide' and all that brilliant talk.
3)No we have not forgone privacy just because we use the internet. In most things about the internet,like networking sites, we have a choice to be a part of and what information to provide.
4) Some of us are not citizens of the US and as such we are used to have our privacy respected more because the laws of our countries make it so.

There are other concerns about Origin but privacy is the primary. The others being the ban issue that makes it impossible for people to play the games they have legally purchased and the fact that EA customer service is nonexistent.
So no, buying ME3 is not an option.

Personally, I could buy it on Xbox but I wont because I am angry and do not want to give my money to people who do not respect me as a customer. So I will rent the game for the console and that is that.

Modifié par Zannana, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:02 .

[Ponendus]

Zannana wrote...

Because I have had enough with the following arguments:
1) We do not want Origin invading our computers, yes we realise that the EULA and Origin itself has changed since the Germany incident but nothing stops them from changing back in the future.
2)Not wanting Origin is a matter of principle. Nothing to do with 'you have something to hide' and all that brilliant talk.
3)No we have not forgone privacy just because we use the internet. In most things about the internet,like networking sites, we have a choice to be a part of and what information to provide.
4) Some of us are not citizens of the US and as such we are used to have our privacy respected more because the laws of our countries make it so.

There are other concerns about Origin but privacy is the primary. The others being the ban issue that makes it impossible for people to play the games they have legally purchased and the fact that EA customer service is nonexistent.
So no, buying ME3 is not an option.

Personally, I could buy it on Xbox but I wont because I am angry and do not want to give my money to people who do not respect me as a customer. So I will rent the game for the console and that is that.

Ok fair enough. I just have one question. Exactly what is the breach of privacy, I genuinely don't understand this. Has it actually been proven that there is a breach, or is it just a rumour? I just am confused because Chris Priestly stated that it is not Origin but a Windows process that is searching or whatever for its own purposes. I would just really like some clarification on exactly what the objection is?

[Adugan]

Ponendus wrote...

Zannana wrote...

Because I have had enough with the following arguments:
1) We do not want Origin invading our computers, yes we realise that the EULA and Origin itself has changed since the Germany incident but nothing stops them from changing back in the future.
2)Not wanting Origin is a matter of principle. Nothing to do with 'you have something to hide' and all that brilliant talk.
3)No we have not forgone privacy just because we use the internet. In most things about the internet,like networking sites, we have a choice to be a part of and what information to provide.
4) Some of us are not citizens of the US and as such we are used to have our privacy respected more because the laws of our countries make it so.

There are other concerns about Origin but privacy is the primary. The others being the ban issue that makes it impossible for people to play the games they have legally purchased and the fact that EA customer service is nonexistent.
So no, buying ME3 is not an option.

Personally, I could buy it on Xbox but I wont because I am angry and do not want to give my money to people who do not respect me as a customer. So I will rent the game for the console and that is that.

Ok fair enough. I just have one question. Exactly what is the breach of privacy, I genuinely don't understand this. Has it actually been proven that there is a breach, or is it just a rumour? I just am confused because Chris Priestly stated that it is not Origin but a Windows process that is searching or whatever for its own purposes. I would just really like some clarification on exactly what the objection is?

It is too late though. The trust has been broken, and now everything EA says is treated with skepticism. The original thing that started this was when you install a game and/or the client, it or the computer itself scanned everything on your HD. People blamed Origin because it wouldnt be too surprising to see the heavy-handed bully tactics of EA go that far.

[Zannana]

Ponendus wrote...

Zannana wrote...

Because I have had enough with the following arguments:
1) We do not want Origin invading our computers, yes we realise that the EULA and Origin itself has changed since the Germany incident but nothing stops them from changing back in the future.
2)Not wanting Origin is a matter of principle. Nothing to do with 'you have something to hide' and all that brilliant talk.
3)No we have not forgone privacy just because we use the internet. In most things about the internet,like networking sites, we have a choice to be a part of and what information to provide.
4) Some of us are not citizens of the US and as such we are used to have our privacy respected more because the laws of our countries make it so.

There are other concerns about Origin but privacy is the primary. The others being the ban issue that makes it impossible for people to play the games they have legally purchased and the fact that EA customer service is nonexistent.
So no, buying ME3 is not an option.

Personally, I could buy it on Xbox but I wont because I am angry and do not want to give my money to people who do not respect me as a customer. So I will rent the game for the console and that is that.

Ok fair enough. I just have one question. Exactly what is the breach of privacy, I genuinely don't understand this. Has it actually been proven that there is a breach, or is it just a rumour? I just am confused because Chris Priestly stated that it is not Origin but a Windows process that is searching or whatever for its own purposes. I would just really like some clarification on exactly what the objection is?

See this to get an idea of how the whole thing started http://www.minecraft...age-in-germany/

Modifié par Zannana, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:11 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

 The EULA did change to the best of my knowledge.  EA begins section 2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data with informing customers how they would never sell their information, nor ever use or install spyware on consumer's machines.  They will not share information without consent unless required by law or to enforce EA legal rights.

In addition, they go on to be clear that they collect non-personally identifiable information such as your IPA, operating system, Application usage (capitalization means Origin specifically?), software and its usage, and peripheral hardware. 

Skimming through, it seems the two year inactive account deletion statement has been removed, but I will have to look through a few more times to be sure.  

All in all, the EULA is much improved.  I still have issues with strict DRMs and Origin needs a lot of work to be as efficient and user-friendly as Steam, but I can deal with what it is for the time being.

There is one thing though I didn't notice before, and not sure if it was in previous iterations, but agreeing to EULA not only waives the right to a class action lawsuit (was aware of this), but now it seems you can't have a trial by jury either.  I realize that if EA breaches the EULA that the agreement is null and either form of legal action could be pursued, but the fact that it is a constitutional right to have a trial by jury makes this a rather rocky piece.  Then again, it has been a while since I looked into law or needed to read up on EULAs, so this may be rather common nowadays.

Anyways, I apologize for the paraphrasing.  The EULA should be updated somewhere, but if anyone wants the actual clause(s) put up, then I can find the time tomorrow to do so.  To be honest though, I doubt anyone cares that there were corrections or not.

Yeah I was looking through that before I installed origin , I personally don't think eula can be enforced as far as not having trials and suing them in court(Sony is getting sued by people who by using the service agreed to it).Origins does scan your computer , but it doesn't collect your personal information , files , pictures , video's or any "SECRETS".It does look at your computer hardware/software and Ip address (anything from ensuring you have an optimal connection to somebody online making a threat , cyber-criminal or other unlawful purpose).

In the end , my view of Origins has changed somewhat.As long as it's not collecting personal files , picture , videos and "Secrets" (unless EA is told to hand over it by law for an investigation).I don't think this is as big a problem , as long no private data is being used.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:12 .

[Ponendus]

Zannana wrote...

Ponendus wrote...

Zannana wrote...

Because I have had enough with the following arguments:
1) We do not want Origin invading our computers, yes we realise that the EULA and Origin itself has changed since the Germany incident but nothing stops them from changing back in the future.
2)Not wanting Origin is a matter of principle. Nothing to do with 'you have something to hide' and all that brilliant talk.
3)No we have not forgone privacy just because we use the internet. In most things about the internet,like networking sites, we have a choice to be a part of and what information to provide.
4) Some of us are not citizens of the US and as such we are used to have our privacy respected more because the laws of our countries make it so.

There are other concerns about Origin but privacy is the primary. The others being the ban issue that makes it impossible for people to play the games they have legally purchased and the fact that EA customer service is nonexistent.
So no, buying ME3 is not an option.

Personally, I could buy it on Xbox but I wont because I am angry and do not want to give my money to people who do not respect me as a customer. So I will rent the game for the console and that is that.

Ok fair enough. I just have one question. Exactly what is the breach of privacy, I genuinely don't understand this. Has it actually been proven that there is a breach, or is it just a rumour? I just am confused because Chris Priestly stated that it is not Origin but a Windows process that is searching or whatever for its own purposes. I would just really like some clarification on exactly what the objection is?

See this to get an idea of how the whole thing started http://www.minecraft...age-in-germany/

Ok thank you. You are the first person to actually point me somewhere that explains the exact issue. I will have a good read of that.

[Zannana]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

 The EULA did change to the best of my knowledge.  EA begins section 2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data with informing customers how they would never sell their information, nor ever use or install spyware on consumer's machines.  They will not share information without consent unless required by law or to enforce EA legal rights.

In addition, they go on to be clear that they collect non-personally identifiable information such as your IPA, operating system, Application usage (capitalization means Origin specifically?), software and its usage, and peripheral hardware. 

Skimming through, it seems the two year inactive account deletion statement has been removed, but I will have to look through a few more times to be sure.  

All in all, the EULA is much improved.  I still have issues with strict DRMs and Origin needs a lot of work to be as efficient and user-friendly as Steam, but I can deal with what it is for the time being.

There is one thing though I didn't notice before, and not sure if it was in previous iterations, but agreeing to EULA not only waives the right to a class action lawsuit (was aware of this), but now it seems you can't have a trial by jury either.  I realize that if EA breaches the EULA that the agreement is null and either form of legal action could be pursued, but the fact that it is a constitutional right to have a trial by jury makes this a rather rocky piece.  Then again, it has been a while since I looked into law or needed to read up on EULAs, so this may be rather common nowadays.

Anyways, I apologize for the paraphrasing.  The EULA should be updated somewhere, but if anyone wants the actual clause(s) put up, then I can find the time tomorrow to do so.  To be honest though, I doubt anyone cares that there were corrections or not.

Yeah I was looking through that before I installed origin , I personally don't think eula can be enforced as far as not having trials and suing them in court(Sony is getting sued by people who by using the service agreed to it).Origins does scan your computer , but it doesn't collect your personal information , files , pictures , video's or any "SECRETS".It does look at your computer hardware/software and Ip address (anything from ensuring you have an optimal connection to somebody online making a threat , cyber-criminal or other unlawful purpose).

In the end , my view of Origins has changed somewhat.As long as it's not collecting personal files , picture , videos and "Secrets" (unless EA is told to hand over it by law for an investigation).I don't think this is as big a problem , as long no private data is being used..

Yes but given what has already happened do you really trust them not to change it again when you are not looking?

[casadechrisso]

Incognito JC wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

But it really feels like I'm asking for permission to play the game.

I feel like we're becoming more like a broken tape recorder. Nothing changes at the end of the day.

Not directly, because EA does not listen. But let me sum up what happened to the best of my knowledge in Germany:

1. BF3 requires Origin, players start to complain.

2. A major game magazine picks up the uproar and lets a lawyer read through the EULA, who then states the whole thing violates German laws, and not just a little bit but almost every single line in it. The game mag publishes.

2a.) (edited in for completition) The Origin client is constantly monitored for spyware behaviorby the community, with mixed results, some claim it spies, some claim it does not, the current client apparently behaves quite "normal" while older versions showed more intrusive behavior.
But this has not been the issue, the issue had always been the rights EA granted themselves in the EULA and denied the customer, which you MUST accept to play. Most of these things you can still read up in the current international EULAs.

3. More outcry in the gaming community, thanks to the article now even outside the BF3 community. It's getting loud enough so some mainstream media picks it up, even the biggest news magazines. That's where the miracle started, because gaming topics are usually nothing big media talks about unless someone got shot again and "killer games" are blamed for it, but this one even got headlines.

4. Even main TV news picks up the topic. Really bad image loss for EA who now starts reacting slowly.

5. Due to media coverage, consumer organizations/consumer protection authorities send questionaires to EA, leading to more pressure. EA starts changing the EULA multiple times.

6. EA invites selected community members, bloggers, game mag journalists to a meeting in their german headquarters, for an open discussion with high ranking EA people. The discussion was considered fruitful on both sides.

7. Apparently mainly thanks to 4/5/6, German customers get a special treatment now with an EULA that doesn't violate german laws anymore, see original post by Chris Priestly, point 7.


So let me sum that up to: There is a very good chance that enough community anger will change things. But do not expect EA to listen to you directly, they will listen once threatened with an image loss (= loss in sales), which means mainstream media coverage.

Modifié par casadechrisso, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:22 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Zannana wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

 The EULA did change to the best of my knowledge.  EA begins section 2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data with informing customers how they would never sell their information, nor ever use or install spyware on consumer's machines.  They will not share information without consent unless required by law or to enforce EA legal rights.

In addition, they go on to be clear that they collect non-personally identifiable information such as your IPA, operating system, Application usage (capitalization means Origin specifically?), software and its usage, and peripheral hardware. 

Skimming through, it seems the two year inactive account deletion statement has been removed, but I will have to look through a few more times to be sure.  

All in all, the EULA is much improved.  I still have issues with strict DRMs and Origin needs a lot of work to be as efficient and user-friendly as Steam, but I can deal with what it is for the time being.

There is one thing though I didn't notice before, and not sure if it was in previous iterations, but agreeing to EULA not only waives the right to a class action lawsuit (was aware of this), but now it seems you can't have a trial by jury either.  I realize that if EA breaches the EULA that the agreement is null and either form of legal action could be pursued, but the fact that it is a constitutional right to have a trial by jury makes this a rather rocky piece.  Then again, it has been a while since I looked into law or needed to read up on EULAs, so this may be rather common nowadays.

Anyways, I apologize for the paraphrasing.  The EULA should be updated somewhere, but if anyone wants the actual clause(s) put up, then I can find the time tomorrow to do so.  To be honest though, I doubt anyone cares that there were corrections or not.

Yeah I was looking through that before I installed origin , I personally don't think eula can be enforced as far as not having trials and suing them in court(Sony is getting sued by people who by using the service agreed to it).Origins does scan your computer , but it doesn't collect your personal information , files , pictures , video's or any "SECRETS".It does look at your computer hardware/software and Ip address (anything from ensuring you have an optimal connection to somebody online making a threat , cyber-criminal or other unlawful purpose).

In the end , my view of Origins has changed somewhat.As long as it's not collecting personal files , picture , videos and "Secrets" (unless EA is told to hand over it by law for an investigation).I don't think this is as big a problem , as long no private data is being used..

Yes but given what has already happened do you really trust them not to change it again when you are not looking?

Ok , but were those files just scanned only or was the information on-screen scanned and sent to EA for them to use.

[Ponendus]

I think in this day and age it is almost impossible to stay completely private. I always ask myself what would the company use my private data for even if they did collect it? What possible use would EA, a video game company, have for knowing what programs I have installed (if it even does that and I'm not sure it does) or what my hardware/software I use. If anything they would use it to better target their product to me, which is a good thing in my opinion.

If they have assurances that they won't pass the data on and I honestly can't see why they would use it, then I really don't know why I would spend any time worrying about something like that.

[SuperVanilla9000]

I'll be cancelling my CE preorder. Thanks for saving me 70 bucks, EA. You can't blame piracy anybody but yourselves when you force unwanted software on your paying customers.

[Gryphon7]

...Damn it all.

I guess I'll just have to bite the bullet here. Not foregoing one of my favorite game series simply due to an idiotic service requirement.

I don't care much about multiplayer (I'll try it and see if I like it) so I'll most likely wind up cracking the game or something in order to circumvent this nonsense. Already pre-ordered, so I'm not cancelling that now, but I'm definitely making an adjustment or two post-purchase.

Modifié par Gryphon7, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:21 .

[Chris Readman]

For some people (like me) there's also the hypocrisy of Origin and the fact that EA is being very sleazy in handling the situation with Steam.

"Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers."

Statements like the above are very tacky. It seems to ignore the fact that EA has fault as well, pointing fingers just at Valve. They are the ones who refuse to allow their DLC to be purchasable from Steam. I do not see why EA cannot just suck it up and agree to the terms, especially considering the fact that they are not forced to sell their DLC exclusively on Steam, they are still allowed to have their own DLC system. From my point of view, it looks like EA is the one being restrictive and not allowing customers to have the ability to choose where they want to get their DLC.

Also, by forcing Origin on us, it sure does not look like EA or Bioware are really that concerned with providing us with the "best possible experience". Many people do not like Origin, are you truly providing the "best possible experience" by making us install Origin even for physical retail copies of the game? It really seems like a pointless hassle to go through such a process.

[Zannana]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Zannana wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

 The EULA did change to the best of my knowledge.  EA begins section 2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data with informing customers how they would never sell their information, nor ever use or install spyware on consumer's machines.  They will not share information without consent unless required by law or to enforce EA legal rights.

In addition, they go on to be clear that they collect non-personally identifiable information such as your IPA, operating system, Application usage (capitalization means Origin specifically?), software and its usage, and peripheral hardware. 

Skimming through, it seems the two year inactive account deletion statement has been removed, but I will have to look through a few more times to be sure.  

All in all, the EULA is much improved.  I still have issues with strict DRMs and Origin needs a lot of work to be as efficient and user-friendly as Steam, but I can deal with what it is for the time being.

There is one thing though I didn't notice before, and not sure if it was in previous iterations, but agreeing to EULA not only waives the right to a class action lawsuit (was aware of this), but now it seems you can't have a trial by jury either.  I realize that if EA breaches the EULA that the agreement is null and either form of legal action could be pursued, but the fact that it is a constitutional right to have a trial by jury makes this a rather rocky piece.  Then again, it has been a while since I looked into law or needed to read up on EULAs, so this may be rather common nowadays.

Anyways, I apologize for the paraphrasing.  The EULA should be updated somewhere, but if anyone wants the actual clause(s) put up, then I can find the time tomorrow to do so.  To be honest though, I doubt anyone cares that there were corrections or not.

Yeah I was looking through that before I installed origin , I personally don't think eula can be enforced as far as not having trials and suing them in court(Sony is getting sued by people who by using the service agreed to it).Origins does scan your computer , but it doesn't collect your personal information , files , pictures , video's or any "SECRETS".It does look at your computer hardware/software and Ip address (anything from ensuring you have an optimal connection to somebody online making a threat , cyber-criminal or other unlawful purpose).

In the end , my view of Origins has changed somewhat.As long as it's not collecting personal files , picture , videos and "Secrets" (unless EA is told to hand over it by law for an investigation).I don't think this is as big a problem , as long no private data is being used..

Yes but given what has already happened do you really trust them not to change it again when you are not looking?

Ok , but were those files just scanned only or was the information on-screen scanned and sent to EA for them to use.

I will be honest and say that I do not know. What I know is that the EULA at the time certainly made it possible and probable.

[Pemalite]

Cats in Space wrote...
Well, to be fair, Valve is still a business and therefore have no real responsiblity to their customer base, case in point: Left 4 Dead 2, however, they are in a position where they can earn more goodwill from the consumer base with constant sales and promotions, in addition to Steam's conveinience.  So, Valve knows how to treat their customers better, even though they, and we, know we're buying tons of games at uber cheap prices.

Actually, Valve being a private company means that they don't have to answer to shareholders, so Profits is not the number 1 priority.
EA on the other hand does, so they will squeeze every cent they can, because the shareholders hold all the power and all they care about is profits.

I have Mass Effect 1 and 2 and Dragon Age 1 and 2 on Steam, if they don't offer it on steam so I can have everything in one convenient place where I only have to remember 1 username and password... Then I simply ain't interested.
I skipped Battlefield 3 and Crysis 2 and now Mass Effect 3 because they aren't on Steam. That's about $300 they miss out on. (I live in Australia where games average around $100 on release.)

Not only that, But I don't wan't a dozen game managers installed on my PC, for instance when I bought GTA IV, I bought it on Steam, which required Games for Windows Live! To be installed then Rockstar Pass to be installed before I could even contemplate about playing it, that and I have to remember my username, password and email address for them all.
This crap needs to stop, it's doing nothing except annoying me the consumer , Funnily enough, Pirates don't have to deal with this.

I don't trust Origin or EA, EA closed/changed so many fantastic game studios it's not funny over the years, that and the forum bans transferring to Origin so you can't play the games you purchased.

EA in my eyes aren't the nicest of companies to be tied into, give me the option EA to play your games on Steam and you can keep getting my money, till then. No red cent is coming from me, ever, there is a reason why EA and Origin are the some of the most hated in the minds of PC gamers.

[Mupp98]

Well damn gonna hafta wait a long time (untill u can run me3 without origin) untill i can play the game then. Shame really  

[Ponendus]

Chris Readman wrote...

I do not see why EA cannot just suck it up and agree to the terms, especially considering the fact that they are not forced to sell their DLC exclusively on Steam, they are still allowed to have their own DLC system. From my point of view, it looks like EA is the one being restrictive and not allowing customers to have the ability to choose where they want to get their DLC.

Isn't there a profit issue though? I mean, if a DLC costs say $5 to purchase, how much of that goes to Valve if you buy through Steam? If you buy directly from EA don't they get the whole amount? If we are talking about $5 here, they probably would want to get as much of that as possible. Just a thought, I tend to be a bit sceptical of Valve with this, I mean for all we know their 'fee' that they take out may be $3, if that is the case don't you think that's a little unfair?

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

 

Ponendus wrote...

I think in this day and age it is almost impossible to stay completely private. I always ask myself what would the company use my private data for even if they did collect it? What possible use would EA, a video game company, have for knowing what programs I have installed (if it even does that and I'm not sure it does) or what my hardware/software I use. If anything they would use it to better target their product to me, which is a good thing in my opinion.

If they have assurances that they won't pass the data on and I honestly can't see why they would use it, then I really don't know why I would spend any time worrying about something like that.

I'm pro privacy , it's why I don't get on facebook , but I mean it's one thing to scan a file and  not upload because it's private information (which is useless).Another thing if it scanned the file , uploaded the file to EA and now they your private information like bank account's ,pictures , video's , private secret stuff and private etc.

Ponendus wrote...

Chris Readman wrote...

I do not see why EA cannot just suck it up and agree to the terms, especially considering the fact that they are not forced to sell their DLC exclusively on Steam, they are still allowed to have their own DLC system. From my point of view, it looks like EA is the one being restrictive and not allowing customers to have the ability to choose where they want to get their DLC.

Isn't there a profit issue though? I mean, if a DLC costs say $5 to purchase, how much of that goes to Valve if you buy through Steam? If you buy directly from EA don't they get the whole amount? If we are talking about $5 here, they probably would want to get as much of that as possible. Just a thought, I tend to be a bit sceptical of Valve with this, I mean for all we know their 'fee' that they take out may be $3, if that is the case don't you think that's a little unfair?

I think this is the biggest reason why ME3 is not on steam.Small fries probaly gave EA a good deal as far the digital distribution , Valve put their footdown and said NO!.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:31 .

[Ponendus]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I'm pro privacy , it's why I don't get on facebook , but I mean it's one thing to scan a file and  not upload because it's private information (which is useless).Another thing if it scanned the file , uploaded the file to EA and now they your private information like bank account's ,pictures , video's , private secret stuff and private etc.

Yes I agree with that, but I don't think there has been any evidence at all that that has happened. So far it is just evidence of a scan, and there is doubt that Origin is even responsible for it. I am just not one to jump on the whole 'i'm cancelling my preorder' bandwagon until there is a bit more proof than 100-page-thread-internet-hysteria.

[Adugan]

Ponendus wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I'm pro privacy , it's why I don't get on facebook , but I mean it's one thing to scan a file and  not upload because it's private information (which is useless).Another thing if it scanned the file , uploaded the file to EA and now they your private information like bank account's ,pictures , video's , private secret stuff and private etc.

Yes I agree with that, but I don't think there has been any evidence at all that that has happened. So far it is just evidence of a scan, and there is doubt that Origin is even responsible for it. I am just not one to jump on the whole 'i'm cancelling my preorder' bandwagon until there is a bit more proof than 100-page-thread-internet-hysteria.

Actually it is up to EA to disprove it. It IS their product that is getting hit, isnt it? 

[dcal31]

Follow up on something I posted about 40 pages back. After doing a little research, I realized something. The same company (EA) who is now assuring us the Origin is convient, will (infered) prevent piracy and is not spyware is the very same one that not so long ago assured us that SecuROM was convenient, prevented piracy, and was in no way spyware. How did that turn out? Short version: multiple (sucessful) lawsuits, the most pirated game in history (Spore), and an annoying DRM system that to this day continues to cause grief to paying customers.

Oh, and let's not forget that this was happening at the same time the Department of Homeland Security was issuing statements about the dangers of Sony's BMG software. What is BMG? It was made by the same company and was essently SecuROM for CDs. Oh, and the dangers? It was almost single-handedly responable opening the door for root-kits and creating a new system by which to compromise your computer. You know, like viruses, but nastier and harder to get rid of. Disclaimer: It was never proved that SecuROM installed rootkits, just references in the files that it was planned before the BMG incident and that all the supporting code was still there if they decied they wanted to later.

So, whenever a company that whole-heartedly supported this type of software, decides to give us the latest and greatest in DRM, we naturely have no reason at all to question their judgements. Right? It's not like they have a questionable past history on the subject or anything.

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I'm pro privacy , it's why I don't get on facebook , but I mean it's one thing to scan a file and  not upload because it's private information (which is useless).Another thing if it scanned the file , uploaded the file to EA and now they your private information like bank account's ,pictures , video's , private secret stuff and private etc.

Yes I agree with that, but I don't think there has been any evidence at all that that has happened. So far it is just evidence of a scan, and there is doubt that Origin is even responsible for it. I am just not one to jump on the whole 'i'm cancelling my preorder' bandwagon until there is a bit more proof than 100-page-thread-internet-hysteria.

Actually it is up to EA to disprove it. It IS their product that is getting hit, isnt it? 

It is , that video didn't prove one thing about it uploading data to EA.If someone has more clearer proof let's see it and present this to the proper people.