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There is no evidence?Ponendus wrote...
Not if it isn't true that you are giving up your privacy or that they are collecting data. There is no evidence it is happening. It is also not rude if they do do these things and they informed you about it beforehand. I see nothing rude here so far.
Modifié par Lumikki, 15 janvier 2012 - 09:46 .
LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
Didn't one of the developer's just go out and tell people if you haven't played it pirate it.
Ponendus wrote...
Chris Readman wrote...
There is also the fact that the Origin registration for the single player campaign is an unecessary step.
Yes but from a companies perspective, what is the alternative? No DRM doesn't work as proven by The Witcher 2, it inflates piracy. So it's no win situation for the company. Until someone comes up with a better idea, I am not going to object to that as there simply isn't an alternative.
Ponendus wrote...
Actually it has been announced by CDProjektRED that The Witcher 2 piracy was absolutely through the roof. I believe they even stated that the No-DRM significantly hurt their sales. They are quesitoning whether they would ever do such a thing again because of this. I like to think people wouldn't pirate if given freedom but sadly it did happen and it was apparently quite damaging. They have even stated that if it continues it would possibly mean not enough money for more projects. Very sad.
Zannana wrote...
LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
Didn't one of the developer's just go out and tell people if you haven't played it pirate it.
The developer of Minecraft.
Yep, I belive so.pudding27 wrote...
Quick question if someone knows. Can you still pick up your old save file from the previous games youve played via steam?
pudding27 wrote...
Quick question if someone knows. Can you still pick up your old save file from the previous games youve played via steam?
Modifié par Adugan, 15 janvier 2012 - 09:51 .
Zannana wrote...
Can you provide a link please? Because I had read an interview of one of the company's representatives and he said nothing of the sort.Ponendus wrote...
Zannana wrote...
Not sure if that is true. Especially since the game with the most restrictive DRM was the most pirated.It is an action/reaction kinda thing. Pirates want to show that they can do it. Witcher 2 did good in terms of sales, yes it was pirated but I do not think that it was as pirated as it would have been if it had a restrictive DRM. I want to belive that people appreciated the decision of the company and bought the game.
Chris Readman wrote...
There is also the fact that the Origin registration for the single player campaign is an unecessary step.
Yes but from a companies perspective, what is the alternative? No DRM doesn't work as proven by The Witcher 2, it inflates piracy. So it's no win situation for the company. Until someone comes up with a better idea, I am not going to object to that as there simply isn't an alternative.
Actually it has been announced by CDProjektRED that The Witcher 2 piracy was absolutely through the roof. I believe they even stated that the No-DRM significantly hurt their sales. They are quesitoning whether they would ever do such a thing again because of this. I like to think people wouldn't pirate if given freedom but sadly it did happen and it was apparently quite damaging. They have even stated that if it continues it would possibly mean not enough money for more projects. Very sad.
Ponendus wrote...
Actually it has been announced by CDProjektRED that The Witcher 2 piracy was absolutely through the roof. I believe they even stated that the No-DRM significantly hurt their sales. They are quesitoning whether they would ever do such a thing again because of this. I like to think people wouldn't pirate if given freedom but sadly it did happen and it was apparently quite damaging. They have even stated that if it continues it would possibly mean not enough money for more projects. Very sad.
Though we are staunch opponents of DRM because we don’t believe it has
any effect on reducing piracy, we still do not condone copying games
illegally.
Lumikki wrote...
There is no evidence?Ponendus wrote...
Not if it isn't true that you are giving up your privacy or that they are collecting data. There is no evidence it is happening. It is also not rude if they do do these things and they informed you about it beforehand. I see nothing rude here so far.
Origin client EULA is the evidence, company it self is saying that they collect data. Remember ME3 and Origin client has they own EULA.
Mister Mida wrote...
Ponendus wrote...
Actually it has been announced by CDProjektRED that The Witcher 2 piracy was absolutely through the roof. I believe they even stated that the No-DRM significantly hurt their sales. They are quesitoning whether they would ever do such a thing again because of this. I like to think people wouldn't pirate if given freedom but sadly it did happen and it was apparently quite damaging. They have even stated that if it continues it would possibly mean not enough money for more projects. Very sad.
Not from what I've read.Though we are staunch opponents of DRM because we don’t believe it has
any effect on reducing piracy, we still do not condone copying games
illegally.
Because if I don't accept the indrusion to my computer privacy (data collection). There is no possibility say NO to it, without ALSO lose ability play the game you have buyed. The ability play game and give up your privacy is connected to one EULA question.Ponendus wrote...
Lumikki wrote...
There is no evidence?Ponendus wrote...
Not if it isn't true that you are giving up your privacy or that they are collecting data. There is no evidence it is happening. It is also not rude if they do do these things and they informed you about it beforehand. I see nothing rude here so far.
Origin client EULA is the evidence, company it self is saying that they collect data. Remember ME3 and Origin client has they own EULA.
If it is in the EULA, how is it rude? They are informing you? That means the choice is yours.
Modifié par Lumikki, 15 janvier 2012 - 09:59 .
casadechrisso wrote...
Ponendus wrote...
Actually it has been announced by CDProjektRED that The Witcher 2 piracy was absolutely through the roof. I believe they even stated that the No-DRM significantly hurt their sales. They are quesitoning whether they would ever do such a thing again because of this. I like to think people wouldn't pirate if given freedom but sadly it did happen and it was apparently quite damaging. They have even stated that if it continues it would possibly mean not enough money for more projects. Very sad.
Actually, if you read the statement the CDPR dev made, his maths are very simple. Of course it's a shame that The Witcher 2 got pirated, but face it, there will always be pirates, and I think not all of them are lost customers, but many of them just collect, they wouldn't buy the game if it wasn't available as a torrent and just get a copy of another game.
2nd, and here my little critic of the maths, he just assumes that the amount of copies pirated during the first week they monitored would never change. Here I doubt his maths and dare to share my theory that piracy numbers pretty much follow the same rules as sales in shops: The big mass is downloaded right after release, then the curve starts falling and people quickly look at the next game. I do not believe his numbers are correct, not at all. I'd assume the illegal copies went down quickly after week 2.
pudding27 wrote...
Quick question if someone knows. Can you still pick up your old save file from the previous games youve played via steam?
Modifié par didymos1120, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:02 .
Lumikki wrote...
Because if I don't accept the indrusion to my computer privacy (data collection). There is no possibility say NO to it, without ALSO lose ability play the game you have buyed. The ability play game and give up your privacy is connected to one EULA question.Ponendus wrote...
Lumikki wrote...
There is no evidence?Ponendus wrote...
Not if it isn't true that you are giving up your privacy or that they are collecting data. There is no evidence it is happening. It is also not rude if they do do these things and they informed you about it beforehand. I see nothing rude here so far.
Origin client EULA is the evidence, company it self is saying that they collect data. Remember ME3 and Origin client has they own EULA.
If it is in the EULA, how is it rude? They are informing you? That means the choice is yours.
Only way to play game is give up you privacy.
Ponendus wrote...
Lumikki wrote...
Because if I don't accept the indrusion to my computer privacy (data collection). There is no possibility say NO to it, without ALSO lose ability play the game you have buyed. The ability play game and give up your privacy is connected to one EULA question.Ponendus wrote...
Lumikki wrote...
There is no evidence?Ponendus wrote...
Not if it isn't true that you are giving up your privacy or that they are collecting data. There is no evidence it is happening. It is also not rude if they do do these things and they informed you about it beforehand. I see nothing rude here so far.
Origin client EULA is the evidence, company it self is saying that they collect data. Remember ME3 and Origin client has they own EULA.
If it is in the EULA, how is it rude? They are informing you? That means the choice is yours.
Only way to play game is give up you privacy.
They require this information for statistical purposes to better tailor their product to you.
Adugan wrote...
Yes, that being selling it to ad companies to generate more revenue from each consumer.
I ques this explains why EA doesn't understand, why they have bad reputation. Some people just don't understand when they do something rude (wrong way). Some could call it collision of USA and European culture. In EU we ask permissions before we go inside of someones privacy. Like when entering someones home we ask "can I come in", or wait for invitation. We just don't walk in others owned private property like we own the place.Ponendus wrote...
Yes, hence the choice. You can either play the game and accept the terms of the EULA or not. I still don't think it's rude though. They require this information for statistical purposes to better tailor their product to you. I want them to have this information. You evidently don't. That's fine, but I don't understand why it is so important, what is so private that you don't want them to know? Perhaps there isn't anything and it is a matter of principle for you, that's fine but I don't understand it.
Modifié par Lumikki, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:08 .
casadechrisso wrote...
... and many more have said that it's not like Steam and gave enough examples for that, like the difference in data collection. I'm tired of repeating it. But since Steam is mentioned so often, one major factor might be that many players actually use Steam not because they're forced to, but because they like it, for a good reason. Just like Apple's iTunes it's a huge monopoly that some people certainly just hate for that one reason, but many people use it because it just works and gives them what they want without a big hassle. But do those people really want their music library split into 3 or 4 different iTunes clones that all want to run at the same time? I bet not. And even big bad Apple at least made iTunes a quality product that people accepted as the better alternative, had Microsoft or one of the music company ever made a superior product they would've succeeded with it. Instead, many online music retailers tried to force their iTunes clone on customers with brute force, and most of them have died out fast in result.
In contrary to Steam or iTunes, I haven't heard anyone who just wants to use Origin because they like Origin. Some people might not care, some people accept it as a necessary evil, but I see nobody demanding it because it's so cool. Origin is simply forced on a customer base who have no interest in it because it actually gives them nothing and adds nothing to their gaming experience - instead it's another bloatware that wants to start with your Windows, collects your data, fills your memory, annoys with adds and popups and all that. Hell, they don't even offer reasonable prices in their store - last time I had a look they still wanted 59,99 for Dragon Age 2 which every other store at that time was throwing out for under 20 because nobody wanted to buy it.
There's nothing, absolutely nothing in Origin most of us want, but a lot of stuff many of us don't want and some people are apparently willing to accept because they don't care.
One advantage I used the EA downloader for in the past was getting around the broken DVD drive of my laptop, but that's really nothing earthshaking these days anymore and could be provided by any service.
Last but not least, customer relations. Steam might be such a big capitalist as all of them, but they at least know how to talk to their customers and make them feel appreciated, plus they actually attract people with good deals instead of brute force, so many people sign up freely. It's a big thing to earn the trust of a large customer base, and while Valve apparently earned the trust of a large crowd, EA only makes it worse from day to day.
Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:08 .
Ponendus wrote...
Adugan wrote...
Yes, that being selling it to ad companies to generate more revenue from each consumer.
I believe they have confirmed that they never do that, it is collected for internal use only according to all the evidence.
Ponendus wrote...
They require this information for statistical purposes to better tailor their product to you.
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