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[Sgt Stryker]

Emoking wrote...

Icinix wrote...

However - is that the official stance on why we need Origin - its DRM capabilities?

The official reason will be a mixture of things.

EA want a Steam competitor.

EA want to keep all the cash from selling DLC themselves.

EA want to control distribution and information a little more.

EA want a DRM system that they don't have to pay an external party for (whether it be SecuRom or Steam or whoever).

You nailed it right on the head with your second point.

Fun fact about Steam and EA's DLC: The Steam holiday sale price for Dragon Age: Origins Ultimate Edition was $15. That includes Origins, the Awakening expansion, and all of the DLC. However, if you were to buy just the DLC from the BioWare store, you would end up spending well over $40 worth of BioWare Points. EA's reasons for not supporting Steam are quite obvious, I would think.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:49 .

[dheer]

Gee thanks.

I guess we know where to go for a hassle free ME3 experience.

Modifié par dheer, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:57 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Emoking wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Icinix wrote...

However - is that the official stance on why we need Origin - its DRM capabilities?

The official reason will be a mixture of things.

EA want a Steam competitor.

EA want to keep all the cash from selling DLC themselves.

EA want to control distribution and information a little more.

EA want a DRM system that they don't have to pay an external party for (whether it be SecuRom or Steam or whoever).

Which is a perfectly logical marketing decision for EA to require Origin.

Yup. But, as I've said before, it contradicts the PR speak of

"We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible
experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are
happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our
ability to connect directly with our consumers."

To me, Steam would be the best experience for Mass Effect 3. To others, neither Steam nor Origin is a "best experience". Thus, their marketing speak grates on my nerves.

They should just do what they did with ME1 and ME2, regardless this game is likely my last Bioware/EA game.

[ArkkAngel007]

Emoking wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Icinix wrote...

However - is that the official stance on why we need Origin - its DRM capabilities?

The official reason will be a mixture of things.

EA want a Steam competitor.

EA want to keep all the cash from selling DLC themselves.

EA want to control distribution and information a little more.

EA want a DRM system that they don't have to pay an external party for (whether it be SecuRom or Steam or whoever).

Which is a perfectly logical marketing decision for EA to require Origin.

Yup. But, as I've said before, it contradicts the PR speak of

"We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible
experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are
happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our
ability to connect directly with our consumers."

To me, Steam would be the best experience for Mass Effect 3. To others, neither Steam nor Origin is a "best experience". Thus, their marketing speak grates on my nerves.

I just keep the facts I know and observe in mind, while ignoring marketing and fan propaganda.  

[goofyomnivore]

Would they rather have a couple thousand people playing their game because of the DRM crap, or have millions buying their game regardless of the piracy count

I find it more likely that there are more pirates than protesters.

[Ryzaki]

strive wrote...

Would they rather have a couple thousand people playing their game because of the DRM crap, or have millions buying their game regardless of the piracy count

I find it more likely that there are more pirates than protesters.

..and origin isn't gonna stop those pirates anymore than a "Stop!" sign will stop a thief.

[shepskisaac]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

They should just do what they did with ME1 and ME2, regardless this game is likely my last Bioware/EA game.

Pretty much. I hate this generation of PC gaming so much. After the rise of internet, no one and nothing is more responsible for decline of PC sales than publishers themselves.

[Pixieking]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

To me, Steam would be the best experience for Mass Effect 3. To others, neither Steam nor Origin is a "best experience". Thus, their marketing speak grates on my nerves.

I just keep the facts I know and observe in mind, while ignoring marketing and fan propaganda.  

Aye. It's just their PR gets swallowed so easily, by people who really don't see why they should doubt it. And then you get people saying "Steam's at fault", whilch whilst kind of true, ignores EA's part in this.

[Incognito JC]

strive wrote...

Would they rather have a couple thousand people playing their game because of the DRM crap, or have millions buying their game regardless of the piracy count

I find it more likely that there are more pirates than protesters.

And that cannot be anymore true after this Origin business came to light.

[shepskisaac]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

You nailed it right on the head with your second point.

Fun fact about Steam and EA's DLC: The Steam holiday sale price for Dragon Age: Origins Ultimate Edition was $15. That includes Origins, the Awakening expansion, and all of the DLC. However, if you were to buy just the DLC from the BioWare store, you would end up spending well over $40 worth of BioWare Points. EA's reasons for not supporting Steam are quite obvious, I would think.

Along with the reasons why there's never any sale on DLC for PC, or BioWare Points exclusive one-time sale exlcusive to US (which probably was an error anyway seeing how it only applied to 800-points pack)

[G0ldmember]

And for the record, I've never seen IsaacShep get mad. The **** must've really hit the fan...

[goofyomnivore]

..and origin isn't gonna stop those pirates anymore than a "Stop!" sign will stop a thief.

They must think it is going to increase profit. Businesses as large as EA usually don't make uninformed business choices. Because they're greedy sob's that are invading our privacy rights, right?

It is either stop pirates or hoard DLC money. I think it is the DLC with the offset chance of stopping a small % of the pirates.

Modifié par strive, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:55 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Icinix wrote...

However - is that the official stance on why we need Origin - its DRM capabilities?

The official reason will be a mixture of things.

EA want a Steam competitor.

EA want to keep all the cash from selling DLC themselves.

EA want to control distribution and information a little more.

EA want a DRM system that they don't have to pay an external party for (whether it be SecuRom or Steam or whoever).

Which is a perfectly logical marketing decision for EA to require Origin.

Yup. But, as I've said before, it contradicts the PR speak of

"We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible
experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are
happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our
ability to connect directly with our consumers."

To me, Steam would be the best experience for Mass Effect 3. To others, neither Steam nor Origin is a "best experience". Thus, their marketing speak grates on my nerves.

I just keep the facts I know and observe in mind, while ignoring marketing and fan propaganda.  

Although it is an arguably logical business model (fyi Battlefield 3 would have sold much better if released on Steam/retail Origin free), Steam's logic is equally as sound, they want a cut of the DRM, and since it is a large market, its only logical for them to act as they did. Reality is though, when it comes to digital distribution, Steam has the ability to bully its publishers/developers and even consumers (although they don't do much of the latter), EA is in no position to do either.

[ScorpSt]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

They should just do what they did with ME1 and ME2, regardless this game is likely my last Bioware/EA game.

ME1 used SecuROM. How is that better than Origin?

[Ryzaki]

strive wrote...

..and origin isn't gonna stop those pirates anymore than a "Stop!" sign will stop a thief.

They must think it is going to increase profit. Businesses as large as EA usually don't make uninformed business choices.

It is either stop pirates or horde DLC money. I think it is the DLC with the offset chance of stopping a small % of the pirates.

Frankly I'm sure it's about the DLC.

FYI: I  really don't give that much of a damn about the piracy concerns because that can be easily taken care of. What irks me is the need to install a client for a game I bought in a damn box.

It sets a stupid precedent. How long will it take for other companies to start doing this dumb **** and then I have to have 10+ different clients installed just to play different games? **** that noise.

I tolerated it with Steam because it was one time. But now? Hell no.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:59 .

[Pixieking]

ScorpSt wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

They should just do what they did with ME1 and ME2, regardless this game is likely my last Bioware/EA game.

ME1 used SecuROM. How is that better than Origin?

One-time activation. No digital distribution software needed. Nothing running in the background.

[Wardka]

strive wrote...

..and origin isn't gonna stop those pirates anymore than a "Stop!" sign will stop a thief.

They must think it is going to increase profit. Businesses as large as EA usually don't make uninformed business choices.

It is either stop pirates or horde DLC money. I think it is the DLC with the offset chance of stopping a small % of the pirates.

Oh, it's definitely the DLC. Aggressive DLC marketing has been EA's business plan for the past few years, it's no secret. And of course they don't want to give Valve a slice of the pie if they can avoid it, so they're pushing Origin with their high profile games. It's not a business practice I am particularily comfortable with.

Oh well, I'm going to bed. I wonder if this thread will be open tomorrow when I wake up.

[sackyhack]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

sackyhack wrote...

I have Arkham City and Alice Madness Returns through Origin. Origin was needed to install them, but after that I just run them through the shortcuts and haven't booted up Origin since. Just thought I'd mention this for the people asking about Origin and singleplayer. If it's anything like those games, you need it once to install then don't need it anymore. Ofcourse that one time is all it needs to send notice of your pirated tentacle pr0n collection to the FBI, but it's likely you won't always need it on for SP.

Were you able to play with the client uninstalled (Origin).

Just writing back to confirm.  Both games work fine with Origin uninstalled.  I bought both through the EA store, so these are digital copies, not retail.  This isn't a guarantee for how ME3 will behave in Origin, so take it as you will.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Emoking wrote...

ScorpSt wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

They should just do what they did with ME1 and ME2, regardless this game is likely my last Bioware/EA game.

ME1 used SecuROM. How is that better than Origin?

One-time activation. No digital distribution software needed. Nothing running in the background.

+1

[Incognito JC]

Emoking wrote...

ScorpSt wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

They should just do what they did with ME1 and ME2, regardless this game is likely my last Bioware/EA game.

ME1 used SecuROM. How is that better than Origin?

One-time activation. No digital distribution software needed. Nothing running in the background.

3 time limited install. A pain in the bum to reinstall the DLC. The install count refund doesn't work sometimes. It's just as bad if not worse.

[Pixieking]

Wardka wrote...

strive wrote...

..and origin isn't gonna stop those pirates anymore than a "Stop!" sign will stop a thief.

They must think it is going to increase profit. Businesses as large as EA usually don't make uninformed business choices.

It is either stop pirates or horde DLC money. I think it is the DLC with the offset chance of stopping a small % of the pirates.

Oh, it's definitely the DLC. Aggressive DLC marketing has been EA's business plan for the past few years, it's no secret. And of course they don't want to give Valve a slice of the pie if they can avoid it, so they're pushing Origin with their high profile games. It's not a business practice I am particularily comfortable with.

Oh well, I'm going to bed. I wonder if this thread will be open tomorrow when I wake up.

Bed sounds like a plan.

And I'm wondering the same thing about this thread.

Good night good ME fans. <3

[ArkkAngel007]

Emoking wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

To me, Steam would be the best experience for Mass Effect 3. To others, neither Steam nor Origin is a "best experience". Thus, their marketing speak grates on my nerves.

I just keep the facts I know and observe in mind, while ignoring marketing and fan propaganda.  

Aye. It's just their PR gets swallowed so easily, by people who really don't see why they should doubt it. And then you get people saying "Steam's at fault", whilch whilst kind of true, ignores EA's part in this.

And vice versa.  As well as when someone offers "evidence" of something they don't understand, or a developer makes some statement, everyone jumps on it and holds it up on one pedestal or the other.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

sackyhack wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

sackyhack wrote...

I have Arkham City and Alice Madness Returns through Origin. Origin was needed to install them, but after that I just run them through the shortcuts and haven't booted up Origin since. Just thought I'd mention this for the people asking about Origin and singleplayer. If it's anything like those games, you need it once to install then don't need it anymore. Ofcourse that one time is all it needs to send notice of your pirated tentacle pr0n collection to the FBI, but it's likely you won't always need it on for SP.

Were you able to play with the client uninstalled (Origin).

Just writing back to confirm.  Both games work fine with Origin uninstalled.  I bought both through the EA store, so these are digital copies, not retail.  This isn't a guarantee for how ME3 will behave in Origin, so take it as you will.

Good news in part, although I don't think those games are EA controlled directly, do you have a copy of BF3 which you could test SP? And thx for the testing.

[shepskisaac]

G0ldmember wrote...

And for the record, I've never seen IsaacShep get mad. The **** must've really hit the fan...

Yep. I've been calm and chilled through multiplayer announcement, femshep hair drama and countless other BSN meltdowns. This is however what really pisses me off. I'm sick of DRM, activations, separate clients, going through hoops and lops to get games running, then having to worry whether the company will get hacked along with my info, then having to memorize all the steps how to get everything running in all the different games from all the different publishers with all the different DRM/authorization/online menthods, passes tied to these games and everything else. Seriously, PC gaming in this generation is often more of a frustrating experience than any ENTERTAINMENT as it was suppoused to be.

[ScorpSt]

Emoking wrote...

ScorpSt wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

They should just do what they did with ME1 and ME2, regardless this game is likely my last Bioware/EA game.

ME1 used SecuROM. How is that better than Origin?

One-time activation. No digital distribution software needed. Nothing running in the background.

Let's not forget that you were limited to 3 installs and if you tried to remove SecuROM from your computer you couldn't play the game anymore. Also, Origin doesn't need to run in the background if you're playing a single player game.