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[Hashishim]

Honestly people are nuts! You guys complain about origin, but doesnt MS Windows also collect info and send it out? your firewalls to, your AVG. I got origin i had EA Download Manager and I got steam, they all good for me, I got nothing on my machine to hide. :/

[Relief]

casadechrisso wrote...

Relief wrote...

And the case about spyware, it was only in Germany. There were no mentions of spyware in other countries. There was nothing suspicious about it.

Oh cool, so we got the EA Origin: Kraut edition here? I feel so speshul! 

And to repeat this for the bazillionth time, the huge scandal over here was the EULA. That Origin is really spyware was never proven 100%, and in it's current state it's probably not. The EULA grants EA the right to change that anytime though, tomorrow's update could upload your whole pr0n collection to their servers if they decided it was a cool feature for them.

There was no mention or media coverage in other countries because of people apparently not caring enough. I'm pretty sure the EULA violates laws at least in all EU countries if it violates German laws in almost every line, we're not that different to our neighbors. Just needs someone to do something about it instead of sitting it out and not caring. 

It did get a lot of coverage, but people checked it and saw there was no such thing as spyware. 

We can talk all day about what EA COULD DO, but they are not doing anything. Until the day they do, we can judge them. Before that its all empty talk and useless raging. 

Germany might be in the EU, but Germany has its own rules and its own special games because of their moronic rules. So it doesnt surprise me if what happened in Germany was only a special case. And i wouldnt be surprised if the whole spyware stuff has been blowed up by the Media.

[Lumikki]

Hashishim wrote...

Honestly people are nuts! You guys complain about origin, but doesnt MS Windows also collect info and send it out? your firewalls to, your AVG. I got origin i had EA Download Manager and I got steam, they all good for me, I got nothing on my machine to hide. :/

Nope, you can block all internet traffic or not even have internet connection and MS Windows works just fine.

Some people just doesn't get this situation, because it's not issue for them. But the issue is that they are preventing people who has issues with situation have acceptable solution. Also only requirement for that soluttion is just be polite and ask permission.

I have never met this much resistance the idea that someone should ask permission when entering other private property. Like what's so bad about it that it can't be done?

Modifié par Lumikki, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:30 .

[Zannana]

strive wrote...

I feel like these questions should be bumped. I haven't seen them asked in quite a few pages. Hope you guys can get an answer on these questions;

IsaacShep wrote...

To Chris Priestly:

1) If we do not intend to use multiplayer, can we uninstall Origin after completing one time single authorization for the single player game?

2) Also, will I have to install Origin EVERY TIME I install Mass Effect 3, or after one time single authorization I will no longer have to install Origin ever again?

[xaliqen]

Relief wrote...
If you dont want to buy it, dont do it. But i hope you dont come up with the excuse to pirate it

It's much easier for me to come up with an excuse to just buy and play other games that don't require me to give up my privacy and security.

As much as I enjoy the Mass Effect series, it will be extremely easy for me to never play it again if playing it means giving money to a company that doesn't respect me.

[Pixieking]

Adugan wrote...

They will probably lock it at 200-300 pages though, maybe make a locked sticky thread about it.

Mmm... I just don't want them to lock it, and then not sticky it. And I don't think anyone noticed that it had been Stickied then un-Stickied, so I was drawing people's attention to it.

Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:27 .

[Relief]

Emoking wrote...

Relief wrote...

My bad if you feel insulted. 

If you dont want to buy it, dont do it. But i hope you dont come up with the excuse to pirate it

Oh, no... I'm going to buy it when it eventually comes to Steam (which it will do... As I said about 60 pages back, Fable: the Lost Chapers is on Steam, so I can see ME3 being released there eventually too). I'm not going to pirate it.

Dont get your hopes up. EA doesnt publish her games anymore on Steam. BF3 is still Origin only despite rumors of a Steam version.

I have Origin on my pc and i dont see all the fuzz. I will be playing my game and enjoying it. I see no reason to rage and boycot just because it has Origin.

Modifié par Relief, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:30 .

[Yuoaman]

Relief wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Relief wrote...

People should get a life. Go rant about other more important stuff.

Origin works quite good with BF3. It had its problems, but its working fine now and it gets lots of updates. And the case about spyware, it was only in Germany. There were no mentions of spyware in other countries. There was nothing suspicious about it. Go read this stuff and get informed well.

http://www.cinemable...e-PC-36690.html 

And if you think pirating the game is justified because of this you are just looking for an excuse and you were gonna pirate anyway. If you really dont want Origin, dont buy the game and go play something else. Most people are gonna enjoy the game and you can just go cry in a corner about how bad Origin is while most people dont give a ****. This nerds need to get a life, its pathetic. Especially the ones who mention Notch's statement. Those are the most pathetic people.

Btw, the pc version doesnt get buyed a lot so it wont affect EA if you think not buying it will help change their mind.

Check out Steam's, and other digital distributors, before saying that PC games aren't buyed (sic) a lot.

Like i said, only NERDS will keep on raging. Other people DONT CARE. And i never said pc games dont sell, i said ME3 PC doesnt sell that much. Learn to read and stop raging for no ****ing reason.

Excuse me? I was just pointing out that PC games are selling very well lately, and the Mass Effect series is no exception. I don't think my post had any 'raging' in it, unless you count where I poked fun at you using 'buyed' instead of 'bought'.

[Aargh12]

Ponendus wrote...

Perhaps. Where I come from, the purchase is a contract of sale. It means that they give me something and I give them something in return (usually money!). The 'permission' you seek is the EULA itself. It is literally saying that it is a condition of sale that you cannot play the game unless you agree to these terms. That is asking persmission. By purchasing, you accept.

The problem is, EULA is known AFTER you purchase the game. You don't know anything about it before that. This is not a contract of sale. This is contract of using the damn software. And that's a huge difference.

Also - sb mentioned antivirus software. Can't you notice the little difference between them and Origin. Because I can.

Modifié par Aargh12, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:31 .

[Ponendus]

Relief wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

Relief wrote...

And the case about spyware, it was only in Germany. There were no mentions of spyware in other countries. There was nothing suspicious about it.

Oh cool, so we got the EA Origin: Kraut edition here? I feel so speshul! 

And to repeat this for the bazillionth time, the huge scandal over here was the EULA. That Origin is really spyware was never proven 100%, and in it's current state it's probably not. The EULA grants EA the right to change that anytime though, tomorrow's update could upload your whole pr0n collection to their servers if they decided it was a cool feature for them.

There was no mention or media coverage in other countries because of people apparently not caring enough. I'm pretty sure the EULA violates laws at least in all EU countries if it violates German laws in almost every line, we're not that different to our neighbors. Just needs someone to do something about it instead of sitting it out and not caring. 

It did get a lot of coverage, but people checked it and saw there was no such thing as spyware. 

We can talk all day about what EA COULD DO, but they are not doing anything. Until the day they do, we can judge them. Before that its all empty talk and useless raging. 

Germany might be in the EU, but Germany has its own rules and its own special games because of their moronic rules. So it doesnt surprise me if what happened in Germany was only a special case. And i wouldnt be surprised if the whole spyware stuff has been blowed up by the Media.

I have to say I agree with this. Debating and basing a decision on what a company might do is very confusing for me to understand. Couldn't Microsoft Word start updating your *cough* collection next week also? They corrected the mistake, if someone doesn't want to give them a second chance then that's ok, but they won't be able to play the game. Strange decision to me, but such is life.

[Adugan]

Emoking wrote...

Adugan wrote...

They will probably lock it at 200-300 pages though, maybe make a locked sticky thread about it.

Mmm... I just don't want them to lock it, and then not sticky it. And I don't think anyone noticed that it had been Stickied then un-Stickied, so I was drawing people's attention to it.

Yeah, Chris doesnt want it stickied because it isnt "news-worthy sticky material" or whatever he said. IMO it should be stickied, this is the most important BSN news since the beta leak.

[Zannana]

Relief wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

Relief wrote...

And the case about spyware, it was only in Germany. There were no mentions of spyware in other countries. There was nothing suspicious about it.

Oh cool, so we got the EA Origin: Kraut edition here? I feel so speshul! 

And to repeat this for the bazillionth time, the huge scandal over here was the EULA. That Origin is really spyware was never proven 100%, and in it's current state it's probably not. The EULA grants EA the right to change that anytime though, tomorrow's update could upload your whole pr0n collection to their servers if they decided it was a cool feature for them.

There was no mention or media coverage in other countries because of people apparently not caring enough. I'm pretty sure the EULA violates laws at least in all EU countries if it violates German laws in almost every line, we're not that different to our neighbors. Just needs someone to do something about it instead of sitting it out and not caring. 

It did get a lot of coverage, but people checked it and saw there was no such thing as spyware. 

We can talk all day about what EA COULD DO, but they are not doing anything. Until the day they do, we can judge them. Before that its all empty talk and useless raging. 

Germany might be in the EU, but Germany has its own rules and its own special games because of their moronic rules. So it doesnt surprise me if what happened in Germany was only a special case. And i wouldnt be surprised if the whole spyware stuff has been blowed up by the Media.

I do not think you should get to criticise a mass protest against something they felt was invading their privacy. It is rude. I think they did well and I know that Origin has not been an issue in my country only because few people are aware of the issues.

[Ponendus]

Aargh12 wrote...

Ponendus wrote...

Perhaps. Where I come from, the purchase is a contract of sale. It means that they give me something and I give them something in return (usually money!). The 'permission' you seek is the EULA itself. It is literally saying that it is a condition of sale that you cannot play the game unless you agree to these terms. That is asking persmission. By purchasing, you accept.

The problem is, EULA is known AFTER you purchase the game. You don't know anything about it before that. This is not a contract of sale. This is contract of using the damn software. And that's a huge difference.

I always believe EULA's were available before purchase? Is there a case of this not happening? EA has this page for example, which has ME3 on it: http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas

[GirlPower23]

Relief wrote...


Dont get your hopes up. EA doesnt publish her games anymore on Steam. BF3 is still a Origin exclusive. 

Umm Yes they do. Alice: Madness Returns was published on Steam and so was Gatling Gears. Good chance Kingdoms of Amalur will be coming to Steam as well since the developers are pushing hard for it to be released everywhere. Only games that have a heavy usage of DLC only avaliable on EA's websites will not be published on Steam.

Modifié par GirlPower23, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:31 .

[casadechrisso]

Relief wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

Relief wrote...

And the case about spyware, it was only in Germany. There were no mentions of spyware in other countries. There was nothing suspicious about it.

Oh cool, so we got the EA Origin: Kraut edition here? I feel so speshul! 

And to repeat this for the bazillionth time, the huge scandal over here was the EULA. That Origin is really spyware was never proven 100%, and in it's current state it's probably not. The EULA grants EA the right to change that anytime though, tomorrow's update could upload your whole pr0n collection to their servers if they decided it was a cool feature for them.

There was no mention or media coverage in other countries because of people apparently not caring enough. I'm pretty sure the EULA violates laws at least in all EU countries if it violates German laws in almost every line, we're not that different to our neighbors. Just needs someone to do something about it instead of sitting it out and not caring. 

It did get a lot of coverage, but people checked it and saw there was no such thing as spyware. 

We can talk all day about what EA COULD DO, but they are not doing anything. Until the day they do, we can judge them. Before that its all empty talk and useless raging. 

Germany might be in the EU, but Germany has its own rules and its own special games because of their moronic rules. So it doesnt surprise me if what happened in Germany was only a special case. And i wouldnt be surprised if the whole spyware stuff has been blowed up by the Media.

I repeat, the EULA was the issue, not the client. Whatever that has to do with our "moronic rules" I don't know, but customer protection laws vary not that much in the EU. You get special games too in the US btw, afaik the Witcher had no nipples because of those moronic rules! 

[Pixieking]

Relief wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Relief wrote...

My bad if you feel insulted. 

If you dont want to buy it, dont do it. But i hope you dont come up with the excuse to pirate it

Oh, no... I'm going to buy it when it eventually comes to Steam (which it will do... As I said about 60 pages back, Fable: the Lost Chapers is on Steam, so I can see ME3 being released there eventually too). I'm not going to pirate it.

Dont get your hopes up. EA doesnt publish her games anymore on Steam. BF3 is still a Origin exclusive. 

Yup. But

1) Some games are still being published there (Alice Madness Returns was released on there after Crysis 2 was removed).

2) I can wait a long time. They will be released on there eventually. After all, when all the major sales have been and gone from people who are really desperate for it, it makes good business sense to release it on Steam to hoover-up all the random sales from there.

[Pixieking]

GirlPower23 wrote...

Relief wrote...


Dont get your hopes up. EA doesnt publish her games anymore on Steam. BF3 is still a Origin exclusive. 

Umm Yes they do. Alice: Madness Returns was published on Steam and so was Gatling Gears. Good chance Kingdoms of Amalur will be coming to Steam as well since the developers are pushing hard for it to be released everywhere. Only games that have a heavy usage of DLC only avaliable on EA's websites will not be published on Steam.

Kingdoms of Amalur is as-good-as-confirmed for Steam, btw. It's been spotted in the Steam Registry Database.

[Zannana]

casadechrisso wrote...

Relief wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

Relief wrote...

And the case about spyware, it was only in Germany. There were no mentions of spyware in other countries. There was nothing suspicious about it.

Oh cool, so we got the EA Origin: Kraut edition here? I feel so speshul! 

And to repeat this for the bazillionth time, the huge scandal over here was the EULA. That Origin is really spyware was never proven 100%, and in it's current state it's probably not. The EULA grants EA the right to change that anytime though, tomorrow's update could upload your whole pr0n collection to their servers if they decided it was a cool feature for them.

There was no mention or media coverage in other countries because of people apparently not caring enough. I'm pretty sure the EULA violates laws at least in all EU countries if it violates German laws in almost every line, we're not that different to our neighbors. Just needs someone to do something about it instead of sitting it out and not caring. 

It did get a lot of coverage, but people checked it and saw there was no such thing as spyware. 

We can talk all day about what EA COULD DO, but they are not doing anything. Until the day they do, we can judge them. Before that its all empty talk and useless raging. 

Germany might be in the EU, but Germany has its own rules and its own special games because of their moronic rules. So it doesnt surprise me if what happened in Germany was only a special case. And i wouldnt be surprised if the whole spyware stuff has been blowed up by the Media.

I repeat, the EULA was the issue, not the client. Whatever that has to do with our "moronic rules" I don't know, but customer protection laws vary not that much in the EU. You get special games too in the US btw, afaik the Witcher had no nipples because of those moronic rules! 

EULA was the issue because it is the important part, the part that legilises what Origin does and doesnt do and the particular EULA clashed with laws of the country so it had to be modified.

[Relief]

Zannana wrote...

Relief wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

Relief wrote...

And the case about spyware, it was only in Germany. There were no mentions of spyware in other countries. There was nothing suspicious about it.

Oh cool, so we got the EA Origin: Kraut edition here? I feel so speshul! 

And to repeat this for the bazillionth time, the huge scandal over here was the EULA. That Origin is really spyware was never proven 100%, and in it's current state it's probably not. The EULA grants EA the right to change that anytime though, tomorrow's update could upload your whole pr0n collection to their servers if they decided it was a cool feature for them.

There was no mention or media coverage in other countries because of people apparently not caring enough. I'm pretty sure the EULA violates laws at least in all EU countries if it violates German laws in almost every line, we're not that different to our neighbors. Just needs someone to do something about it instead of sitting it out and not caring. 

It did get a lot of coverage, but people checked it and saw there was no such thing as spyware. 

We can talk all day about what EA COULD DO, but they are not doing anything. Until the day they do, we can judge them. Before that its all empty talk and useless raging. 

Germany might be in the EU, but Germany has its own rules and its own special games because of their moronic rules. So it doesnt surprise me if what happened in Germany was only a special case. And i wouldnt be surprised if the whole spyware stuff has been blowed up by the Media.

I do not think you should get to criticise a mass protest against something they felt was invading their privacy. It is rude. I think they did well and I know that Origin has not been an issue in my country only because few people are aware of the issues.

People are allowed to protest, but i have no right to be against them. LOL

Humans are like sheeps. Once one person says something they all just follow that person wherever he goes. Nobody knows if all that protesting is based on a true observation. 

[Lumikki]

Ponendus wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

The problem is, EULA is known AFTER you purchase the game. You don't know anything about it before that. This is not a contract of sale. This is contract of using the damn software. And that's a huge difference.

I always believe EULA's were available before purchase? Is there a case of this not happening? EA has this page for example, which has ME3 on it: http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas

While it's true that EULA can't be know allways before buying product, what is small issue. But at least when you buy game you are getting game. Example you are shoping in local Market and buy game as hard copy, you can't know the EULA before you open the packet and you can't open it before buying. (Depense country laws)

How ever, that's not really the issue. Issue is that when you buy GAME, what should be GAME you get also bounle product, what is something else. How ever, that other boundle product can be unacceptable for person who buyed the GAME. But the product GAME doesn't work without the boundle product. Also there is no way to get the GAME without the boundle product.

Modifié par Lumikki, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:37 .

[abaris]

Hashishim wrote...

Honestly people are nuts! You guys complain about origin, but doesnt MS Windows also collect info and send it out? your firewalls to, your AVG. I got origin i had EA Download Manager and I got steam, they all good for me, I got nothing on my machine to hide. :/

Yes, the ever repeating argument.

So, if you got nothing to hide, you invite company officials to your home to look at your living conditions, so that they can get a clearer picture of what they might sell you next?

Also, you can disable the windows phone home behaviour without suffering any repercussions.

[Zannana]

Lumikki wrote...

Ponendus wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

The problem is, EULA is known AFTER you purchase the game. You don't know anything about it before that. This is not a contract of sale. This is contract of using the damn software. And that's a huge difference.

I always believe EULA's were available before purchase? Is there a case of this not happening? EA has this page for example, which has ME3 on it: http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas

While it's true that EULA can't be know allways before buying product, what is small issue. But at least when you buy game you are getting game. Example you are shoping in local Market and buy game as hard copy, you can't know the EULA before you open the packet and you can't open it before buying. (Depense country laws)

How ever, that's not really the issue. Issue is that when you buy GAME, what should be GAME you get also bounle product, what is something else. How ever, that other boundle product can be unacceptable for person who buyed the GAME. But the product GAME doesn't work without the boundle product. Also there is no way to get the GAME without the boundle product.

The issue is that once you open it, if you do not agree with EULA and dont want the game, you cant really go back to the store and get a refund. At least not where I am from.

[Relief]

Emoking wrote...

Relief wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Relief wrote...

My bad if you feel insulted. 

If you dont want to buy it, dont do it. But i hope you dont come up with the excuse to pirate it

Oh, no... I'm going to buy it when it eventually comes to Steam (which it will do... As I said about 60 pages back, Fable: the Lost Chapers is on Steam, so I can see ME3 being released there eventually too). I'm not going to pirate it.

Dont get your hopes up. EA doesnt publish her games anymore on Steam. BF3 is still a Origin exclusive. 

Yup. But

1) Some games are still being published there (Alice Madness Returns was released on there after Crysis 2 was removed).

2) I can wait a long time. They will be released on there eventually. After all, when all the major sales have been and gone from people who are really desperate for it, it makes good business sense to release it on Steam to hoover-up all the random sales from there.

Ah my bad. I should have researched a bit more

Lets be honest, EA wants to promote her system. Steam could indeed give you more sales, but a lot of people dont use Steam. The PC market isnt that huge. Consoles will still be the place where the big money is. 

And they know that people will buy ME3 no matter what, because otherwise you would just have played 2/3 of a trilogy. Thats why they can make this move.

[Ponendus]

Lumikki wrote...

Ponendus wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

The problem is, EULA is known AFTER you purchase the game. You don't know anything about it before that. This is not a contract of sale. This is contract of using the damn software. And that's a huge difference.

I always believe EULA's were available before purchase? Is there a case of this not happening? EA has this page for example, which has ME3 on it: http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas

While it's true that EULA can't be know allways before buying product, what is small issue. But at least when you buy game you are getting game. Example you are shoping in local Market and buy game as hard copy, you can't know the EULA before you open the packet and you can't open it before buying.

How ever, that's not really the issue. Issue is that when you buy GAME, what should be GAME you get also bounle product, what is something else. How ever, that other boundle product can be unacceptable for person who buyed the GAME.

I don't know that you can hold a company responsible for people's compulsive buying behaviour. Again, if it is made available beforehand and you choose not to read it, it is nobody elses fault but yours in my opinion.

I still don't know what your objection to this bonus product is though? I asked why you find the private data they are collecting for statistical purposes to be so objectionable, if you genuinely think it is then that's fine. However, it is purely a matter of opinion and I think it's unfortunate you won't get to play a game for such a small issue (in my opinion).

[Relief]

abaris wrote...

Hashishim wrote...

Honestly people are nuts! You guys complain about origin, but doesnt MS Windows also collect info and send it out? your firewalls to, your AVG. I got origin i had EA Download Manager and I got steam, they all good for me, I got nothing on my machine to hide. :/

Yes, the ever repeating argument.

So, if you got nothing to hide, you invite company officials to your home to look at your living conditions, so that they can get a clearer picture of what they might sell you next?

Also, you can disable the windows phone home behaviour without suffering any repercussions.

The point is that people are raging without a clue. While they are raging about Origin, they are still using Google's services and products.

Modifié par Relief, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:40 .