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Zannana wrote...
The issue is that once you open it, if you do not agree with EULA and dont want the game, you cant really go back to the store and get a refund. At least not where I am from.
Ponendus wrote...
Zannana wrote...
The issue is that once you open it, if you do not agree with EULA and dont want the game, you cant really go back to the store and get a refund. At least not where I am from.
I agree that is an issue in those instances where the EULA is not available beforehand (I haven't encountered that before, I have always had access to an EULA beforehand), but I do not agree it is an issue when the EULA is available. Isn't it on the box anyway?
Modifié par Adugan, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:43 .
No we aren't. I don't use Google or Facebook or Twitter or let softwares access to internet when it's not needed.Relief wrote...
The point is that people are raging without a clue. While they are raging about Origin, they are still using Google's services and products.
Modifié par Lumikki, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:46 .
Relief wrote...
casadechrisso wrote...
Relief wrote...
And the case about spyware, it was only in Germany. There were no mentions of spyware in other countries. There was nothing suspicious about it.
Oh cool, so we got the EA Origin: Kraut edition here? I feel so speshul!
And to repeat this for the bazillionth time, the huge scandal over here was the EULA. That Origin is really spyware was never proven 100%, and in it's current state it's probably not. The EULA grants EA the right to change that anytime though, tomorrow's update could upload your whole pr0n collection to their servers if they decided it was a cool feature for them.
There was no mention or media coverage in other countries because of people apparently not caring enough. I'm pretty sure the EULA violates laws at least in all EU countries if it violates German laws in almost every line, we're not that different to our neighbors. Just needs someone to do something about it instead of sitting it out and not caring.
It did get a lot of coverage, but people checked it and saw there was no such thing as spyware.
We can talk all day about what EA COULD DO, but they are not doing anything. Until the day they do, we can judge them. Before that its all empty talk and useless raging.
Germany might be in the EU, but Germany has its own rules and its own special games because of their moronic rules. So it doesnt surprise me if what happened in Germany was only a special case. And i wouldnt be surprised if the whole spyware stuff has been blowed up by the Media.
casadechrisso wrote...
Relief wrote...
casadechrisso wrote...
Relief wrote...
And the case about spyware, it was only in Germany. There were no mentions of spyware in other countries. There was nothing suspicious about it.
Oh cool, so we got the EA Origin: Kraut edition here? I feel so speshul!
And to repeat this for the bazillionth time, the huge scandal over here was the EULA. That Origin is really spyware was never proven 100%, and in it's current state it's probably not. The EULA grants EA the right to change that anytime though, tomorrow's update could upload your whole pr0n collection to their servers if they decided it was a cool feature for them.
There was no mention or media coverage in other countries because of people apparently not caring enough. I'm pretty sure the EULA violates laws at least in all EU countries if it violates German laws in almost every line, we're not that different to our neighbors. Just needs someone to do something about it instead of sitting it out and not caring.
It did get a lot of coverage, but people checked it and saw there was no such thing as spyware.
We can talk all day about what EA COULD DO, but they are not doing anything. Until the day they do, we can judge them. Before that its all empty talk and useless raging.
Germany might be in the EU, but Germany has its own rules and its own special games because of their moronic rules. So it doesnt surprise me if what happened in Germany was only a special case. And i wouldnt be surprised if the whole spyware stuff has been blowed up by the Media.
I repeat, the EULA was the issue, not the client. Whatever that has to do with our "moronic rules" I don't know, but customer protection laws vary not that much in the EU. You get special games too in the US btw, afaik the Witcher had no nipples because of those moronic rules!
Well thats a real issue and not this Origin raging.
Aargh12 wrote...
The problem is, EULA is known AFTER you purchase the game. You don't know anything about it before that. This is not a contract of sale. This is contract of using the damn software. And that's a huge difference.
The EULA is a few pages long so the most essential parts are in the box :S Only the requirements are written on the box.Adugan wrote...
Ponendus wrote...
Zannana wrote...
The issue is that once you open it, if you do not agree with EULA and dont want the game, you cant really go back to the store and get a refund. At least not where I am from.
I agree that is an issue in those instances where the EULA is not available beforehand (I haven't encountered that before, I have always had access to an EULA beforehand), but I do not agree it is an issue when the EULA is available. Isn't it on the box anyway?
Isnt the EULA like 80 pages or something? They would need a leatherbound book outside the CD case to fully explain it.
Edit: Congrats Ponendus on the 3000th post!
Modifié par Zannana, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:45 .
Lumikki wrote...
No we aren't. I don't use Google or Facebook or Twitter or let softwares access to internet when it's not needed.Relief wrote...
The point is that people are raging without a clue. While they are raging about Origin, they are still using Google's services and products.
When you people get this. WE AREN'T YOU. Not everyone behaves same ways with they computers.
Just because you are fine with Origin client situation, doens't mean EVERYONE else should also be fine.
Adugan wrote...
Ponendus wrote...
Zannana wrote...
The issue is that once you open it, if you do not agree with EULA and dont want the game, you cant really go back to the store and get a refund. At least not where I am from.
I agree that is an issue in those instances where the EULA is not available beforehand (I haven't encountered that before, I have always had access to an EULA beforehand), but I do not agree it is an issue when the EULA is available. Isn't it on the box anyway?
Isnt the EULA like 80 pages or something? They would need a leatherbound book outside the CD case to fully explain it.
Modifié par Ponendus, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:47 .
We is people who has issues with Origin client.Relief wrote...
Who is WE? For who do you speak? Do you see the irony?
Modifié par Lumikki, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:48 .
Lumikki wrote...
We is people who has issues with Origin client.Relief wrote...
Who is WE? For who do you speak? Do you see the irony?
Modifié par Relief, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:49 .
Yes but you should be aware of it and the issues about it to go look for it before you buy a game. So to a consumer who is not informed the EULA may be a nasty surprise.Ponendus wrote...
Adugan wrote...
Ponendus wrote...
Zannana wrote...
The issue is that once you open it, if you do not agree with EULA and dont want the game, you cant really go back to the store and get a refund. At least not where I am from.
I agree that is an issue in those instances where the EULA is not available beforehand (I haven't encountered that before, I have always had access to an EULA beforehand), but I do not agree it is an issue when the EULA is available. Isn't it on the box anyway?
Isnt the EULA like 80 pages or something? They would need a leatherbound book outside the CD case to fully explain it.
Haha. Yes my apologies. I actually meant the 'online disclosure statement' or whatever it is called, which is about a paragraph long and contains the main details about what you will 'need' in order to play the game. That is on all game boxes I have in my collection. The EULA is quite long but is available prior to release (to my knoweldge) on the company website. Here is EA's, it also includes the online disclosure for ME3 if anyone is interested. That is the bit you definitely have given to you in some form before purchase (either here, on steam, on the box, Origin, wherever): http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas
didymos1120 wrote...
Aargh12 wrote...
The problem is, EULA is known AFTER you purchase the game. You don't know anything about it before that. This is not a contract of sale. This is contract of using the damn software. And that's a huge difference.
Well, it is available on the EA website, but there should be some in-store way for people look this stuff up.
Relief wrote...
Ah my bad. I should have researched a bit more
Lets be honest, EA wants to promote her system. Steam could indeed give you more sales, but a lot of people dont use Steam. The PC market isnt that huge. Consoles will still be the place where the big money is.
And they know that people will buy ME3 no matter what, because otherwise you would just have played 2/3 of a trilogy. Thats why they can make this move.
Nope, that sentence has "I", not we. Because I can't talk behave everyone.Relief wrote...
And "you" all dont use Google, Facebook, etc? Hmmm interesting!
So when will you rage against your governement for storing everything you do on the internet for 18 months?
Modifié par Lumikki, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:51 .
, with this ill put and end with €A that started with BF3, i wont buy any new €A game or with its logo on it.... ill still be around for some time then continue to other forums or games, cya´round guys
Lumikki wrote...
Nope, that sentence has "I", not we. Because I can't talk behave everyone.Relief wrote...
And "you" all dont use Google, Facebook, etc? Hmmm interesting!
So when will you rage against your governement for storing everything you do on the internet for 18 months?
I allready have, I have prevented they sharing and storing some information about me.
When You get it, I'm not like you. I care my security and privacy A LOT.
Emoking wrote...
Relief wrote...
Ah my bad. I should have researched a bit more
Lets be honest, EA wants to promote her system. Steam could indeed give you more sales, but a lot of people dont use Steam. The PC market isnt that huge. Consoles will still be the place where the big money is.
And they know that people will buy ME3 no matter what, because otherwise you would just have played 2/3 of a trilogy. Thats why they can make this move.
No probs... To be honest, the people who don't use Steam are the type of people who won't want to use Origin; people who don't see why they should install something just to play a game.
I agree though that it's a good business move; you do trap people into either leaving the story unfinished or using ORigin. Just a lot of people seem to be choosing to leave the story unfinished.
Also. Steam? Totally where it's at. 40 million user accounts, 5 million concurrent users. Consoles have more, but the PC market isn't something to discount.
Anubra wrote...
omfg, people really that stupid, origin DID scan the whole programs folder - IN THE PAST, it was a dev/windows problem, cause ea told win to search for ea games on it, they changed it to search only in the games loc that is noted in the registry of the games, and people now really still think, ea scans other bull****, god damn, idiots will stay idiots 4ever...
but, i guess 50% of the people complaining here about privacy and origin/ea have an android, but dont care that the phones sends the UUID + geo loc all the time to google..(facepalm)
Anubra wrote...
omfg, people really that stupid, origin DID scan the whole programs folder - IN THE PAST, it was a dev/windows problem, cause ea told win to search for ea games on it, they changed it to search only in the games loc that is noted in the registry of the games, and people now really still think, ea scans other bull****, god damn, idiots will stay idiots 4ever...
but, i guess 50% of the people complaining here about privacy and origin/ea have an android, but dont care that the phones sends the UUID + geo loc all the time to google..(facepalm)
Relief wrote...
A lot of people in THIS TOPIC choose to leave it unfinished. 99% of other people really dont care.
Relief wrote...
And it all depends on games. So games are more played on the pc, because they have a history of being played on pc. ME was never such a game.
Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:55 .
Lumikki wrote...
Nope, that sentence has "I", not we. Because I can't talk behave everyone.Relief wrote...
And "you" all dont use Google, Facebook, etc? Hmmm interesting!
So when will you rage against your governement for storing everything you do on the internet for 18 months?
I allready have, I have prevented they sharing and storing some information about me.
When You get it, I'm not like you. I care my security and privacy A LOT.
Have fun interneting.
Anubra wrote...
omfg, people really that stupid, origin DID scan the whole programs folder - IN THE PAST, it was a dev/windows problem, cause ea told win to search for ea games on it, they changed it to search only in the games loc that is noted in the registry of the games, and people now really still think, ea scans other bull****, god damn, idiots will stay idiots 4ever...
but, i guess 50% of the people complaining here about privacy and origin/ea have an android, but dont care that the phones sends the UUID + geo loc all the time to google..(facepalm)
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