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[Dovahzaan]

Please don't talk about piracy. I don't want this thread to be locked.

[Candidate 88766]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

Rajat Taneja wrote...

bioware is just a company that is a part of ea and makes enough money already and they take the side of ea on this one. If they should take our side here, the side that gives them all the money. Sorry for bioware, but sadly they are stuck in the middle of all this.

Ah, the justification that is always used without fail.

Its such a poor justification. Saying that you can take something from someone because they have more money than you is just idiotic. By that logic any homeless person is well within their rights to take anything from you - by comparison to the homeless person, you 'already make enough money'.

[Rajat Taneja]

putting up trade barriers and creating a monopoly is a crime. If I could pay for the game in the way I always do, then I would.....if i could, but I cant! It will force me to do something I dont want.
Via the not so legal way I dont get this forceing stuff.

[Robhuzz]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

ChookAttack wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

This has probably been answered already but reading 126 pages of replies - mostly hate I recon - I'll just ask: Since Priestly said it's required for installing and validating ME3, does that mean you can install and validate ME3 then remove Origin from your system and be done with that mess?

Origin must remain installed on your computer as stated in the Origin application EULA.

C. License Validation. The Application and an internet connection are
required to validate the license for certain products distributed by EA.
You acknowledge and agree that the Application can automatically
validate license rights for some or all EA products without separate
notice to you. This means that in order to use the Application and certain
EA products, you must leave the Application installed on your computer.
You acknowledge and agree that the Application may use information
regarding your computer, hardware, media, software and your use of the
Application to validate your license rights and to update the Application.

Bah, there goes the one redeeming function Origin seemed to have. Thanks for answering anyway. I was a fool to think there was a legal way to avoid getting screwed by big corporations, apart from just not buying ME3 (which is no option for me - I must have it!)

Just buy it and put up with Origin. Its no more intrusive than Steam, as has been proven in this thread, and you get to play ME3 without any problems.

I do not just want to put up with this as it'll send a message to EA that it's apparently okay to treat your customers like this. And it's not about intrusion since all my sensitive data is safely locked away on a seperate storage device. I just don't want to support companies like these but I also don't want to miss out on ME3. *Sigh* 

For the record: My CE Pre order still stands. I'm not resorting to piracy for this since it'll only send the wrong message that sofware like Origin is necessary.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 15 janvier 2012 - 01:17 .

[Candidate 88766]

Rajat Taneja wrote...

putting up trade barriers and creating a monopoly is a crime. If I could pay for the game in the way I always do, then I would.....if i could, but I cant! It will force me to do something I dont want.
Via the not so legal way I dont get this forceing stuff.

EA doesn't have a monopoly of the gaming industry. 

And you're not being forced to do anything. You don't have to own ME3.

What is so bad about Origin or EA that you are being 'forced' not to buy it?

[Rajat Taneja]

no, a homeless person has all the choises he or she has. The way ea is acting currently I got one option and one option only!! That not allowed in a normal economy.

[Rajat Taneja]

But this is their goal dude. Currently they own lots of publisher already and they will not stop with these joint-ventures. Their not a monopoly, yet! Give it some time. And with simple sheeps like most here, their plan will succeed! I plan not to cooperate.

[Candidate 88766]

Robhuzz wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

ChookAttack wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

This has probably been answered already but reading 126 pages of replies - mostly hate I recon - I'll just ask: Since Priestly said it's required for installing and validating ME3, does that mean you can install and validate ME3 then remove Origin from your system and be done with that mess?

Origin must remain installed on your computer as stated in the Origin application EULA.

C. License Validation. The Application and an internet connection are
required to validate the license for certain products distributed by EA.
You acknowledge and agree that the Application can automatically
validate license rights for some or all EA products without separate
notice to you. This means that in order to use the Application and certain
EA products, you must leave the Application installed on your computer.
You acknowledge and agree that the Application may use information
regarding your computer, hardware, media, software and your use of the
Application to validate your license rights and to update the Application.

Bah, there goes the one redeeming function Origin seemed to have. Thanks for answering anyway. I was a fool to think there was a legal way to avoid getting screwed by big corporations, apart from just not buying ME3 (which is no option for me - I must have it!)

Just buy it and put up with Origin. Its no more intrusive than Steam, as has been proven in this thread, and you get to play ME3 without any problems.

I do not just want to put up with this as it'll send a message to EA that it's apparently okay to treat your customers like this. And it's not about intrusion since all my sensitive data is safely locked away on a seperate storage device. I just don't want to support companies like these but I also don't want to miss out on ME3. *Sigh* 

Millions bought BF3 and put up with Origin.

You're one purchase, or lack thereof, is unfortunately meaningless. If that is your only reason then you may as well just ME3. Don't look at it as supporting EA. Support Bioware for making the game in the first place.

[Fredvdp]

Rajat Taneja wrote...

To the idiots who thought this was a good idea (probably some rich dicks over at ea corp)
If you're going to treat us like pirates, we're going to pirate your game.
Sincerely,
The POEPLE who buy your games!

Ah, that flawless Orsino logic. "You call us blood mages! Waaaah! Since thta's what you expect, I'll turn into a giant walking corpse pile! That will show them!"

[Docjam]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Wardka wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

All I can say to those punished by Origin and resorting to other means of obtaining the game is please don't screw BioWare for EA's mistakes: buy a console version at full price so BioWare can get their money and so EA will get the clear as day message that Origin will NOT be tolerated and then play the game as you will but do NOT leave BioWare without their well earned money for making this amazing game.

I really hope that against the odds BioWare finds a way to free themselves from EA's clutches much like Bungie escaped Microsot's grip.....granted that Bungie was never a great studio as all they produced were petty shooters barely worth mentioning but still....

The only message that'll send to EA is that consoles are a stronger market than the PC. Better to not buy the game at all.

Yup. If you do buy a console copy, buy second-hand. Granted BioWare won't get anything for it, but neither will EA, and it won't appear on the sales-charts.

That is something you cannot prevent....consoles ARE a stronger market. Why do you think that EA is not taking their games off the 360 and PS3 in order to have full benefit of not sharing DLC profits as they are doing with Steam? That battle is long gone and lost, nothing you or anyone can do about it. But leaving BioWare unpaid for their titanic efforts to bring us these games is just as wrong as EA trying to force spyware on their fans but two wrongs don't make a right. So yes I fully stand my ground: if you'll play ME3 you should buy a copy not requiring Origin(360 or PS3) at full price.

If you played Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 on PC, that would just be stupid to get a console version of the game where you cannot import your save file to. 

If I could get mass effect 3 on 360 and import my PC save file from mass effect 2 onto it, that would be different, however that is not an option.

I'll say it again, Origin = Lost Sales

Get it through your thick skulls EA.

Origin is a DEAL BREAKER.

There is no way, you can convince me to trust EA with that level of privacy invasion.

I don't care if the possibility of them selling my information to other companies is small, the fact that the EULA gives them legal permission to is too much.

[Candidate 88766]

Rajat Taneja wrote...

But this is their goal dude. Currently they own lots of publisher already and they will not stop with these joint-ventures. Their not a monopoly, yet! Give it some time. And with simple sheeps like most here, their plan will succeed! I plan not to cooperate.

So the reason that you don't want to support the people who poured years of their lives into making this game is because their publisher might one day be richer than it is?

Thats the worst justification I've ever heard.

You're just after free stuff. 

[casadechrisso]

I want this piracy talk to stop to, but regarding crimes of EA - surely they are protected by laws, but moral crimes would be....

- using my data without asking, sniffing around and forcing me to / tricking me into accepting dubious contracts with passages that violate consumer rights and laws

- Stealing my games by denying me access to the product I bought and own if I don't play along their rules in places that have nothing to do with the product itself.

[Candidate 88766]

Rajat Taneja wrote...

no, a homeless person has all the choises he or she has. The way ea is acting currently I got one option and one option only!! That not allowed in a normal economy.

Of course its allowed in a normal economy. Steam has been doing it for years.

[King Minos]

What is this SOPA act? I heard it's name floating around the UK among friends but that is about it. And what's with Origin going throug personal data? Don't they trust their customers?

[Darth_Trethon]

@Docjam PC saves of ME2 CAN be converted into 360 saves and moved to a 360 in a matter of minutes....and you can mod said saves just as much as PC saves. So your story continues on the 360 as if nothing had changed. Granted you cannot do this with the PS3 but still the option for the 360 is very much there.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 15 janvier 2012 - 01:22 .

[Rajat Taneja]

And i want origin NOT to be mandatory!

No i am not after free stuff. Al the games IP i got are paid for. But not any more when it comes to these ea games.

[Zannana]

Wardka wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Wardka wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

All I can say to those punished by Origin and resorting to other means of obtaining the game is please don't screw BioWare for EA's mistakes: buy a console version at full price so BioWare can get their money and so EA will get the clear as day message that Origin will NOT be tolerated and then play the game as you will but do NOT leave BioWare without their well earned money for making this amazing game.

I really hope that against the odds BioWare finds a way to free themselves from EA's clutches much like Bungie escaped Microsot's grip.....granted that Bungie was never a great studio as all they produced were petty shooters barely worth mentioning but still....

The only message that'll send to EA is that consoles are a stronger market than the PC. Better to not buy the game at all.

Yup. If you do buy a console copy, buy second-hand. Granted BioWare won't get anything for it, but neither will EA, and it won't appear on the sales-charts.

That is something you cannot prevent....consoles ARE a stronger market. Why do you think that EA is not taking their games off the 360 and PS3 in order to have full benefit of not sharing DLC profits as they are doing with Steam? That battle is long gone and lost, nothing you or anyone can do about it. But leaving BioWare unpaid for their titanic efforts to bring us these games is just as wrong as EA trying to force spyware on their fans but two wrongs don't make a right. So yes I fully stand my ground: if you'll play ME3 you should buy a copy not requiring Origin(360 or PS3) at full price.

The importance of not giving EA any money outweighs the importance of supporting BioWare for me, at least. So I won't be buying or playing Mass Effect 3 in any shape or form. Were I to do so, it'd be second-hand through Gamestop because I'd rather they get my money than EA. But yeah, I won't.

I agree! Because if Bioware does not want to be loosing customers then they should advocate for themselves against EA policy and promote our and their interests. Or they will not be getting our money, no matter how much we love them and their games.

[Esperanza del toro]

Pre-order cancelled.

Sorry Bioware origin no way

[Docjam]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Millions bought BF3 and put up with Origin.

You're one purchase, or lack thereof, is unfortunately meaningless. If that is your only reason then you may as well just ME3. Don't look at it as supporting EA. Support Bioware for making the game in the first place.

PC Sales of BF3 are much lower than 360 or PS3, and PC was intended to be the lead platform.  That speaks volumes.

I flat out refused to buy BF3 because of origin requirement and I don't like playing shooters on consoles.

[Zannana]

casadechrisso wrote...

Anubra wrote...

why debating something you cant change? ea wont change its mind, steam want to do it how they want, ea want to do it how they wont. and ea / bw dont care if people wont buy it cause of origin, well maybe BW but they can't change it cause EA owns them. and i cant wait to see all the pirates here getting sued or so and cry about it. cause it will be the fault of EA too!

In Germany it worked, so don't assume it's not possible to change them. If german players hadn't spoken out on forums and blogs, we'd still have the very same EULA as you guys.

Not only spoken but returned their copies, gave horrible reviews in amazon ect I liked how massively they reacted!

[abaris]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

So the reason that you don't want to support the people who poured years of their lives into making this game is because their publisher might one day be richer than it is?

Oh please. Don't play the romanticism card. It's ridiculous. They did a job, they were paid for doing that job.

Treating them as if their only goal was to create god's gift to humanity is as off the board as insulting them.

[Candidate 88766]

ChookAttack wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Millions bought BF3 and put up with Origin.

You're one purchase, or lack thereof, is unfortunately meaningless. If that is your only reason then you may as well just ME3. Don't look at it as supporting EA. Support Bioware for making the game in the first place.

That 'millions' that bought BF3 was made up of individuals.  It is only because of thinking such as yours that these measures succeed.  It takes 'millions' of individuals to say enough is enough, and each individual that does so is valuable.

But you won't get millions of people to boycott Origin. There are just too many people clamouring to get their hands on the next 'realistic' military shooter. If your only reason on mssing out on ME3 is to make a point to EA, then I personally don't think its worth it. It may well be a defeatist attitude, but you will never get millions of people to boycott these massive AAA games.

Besides, we have more important things to worry about like SOPA or PIPA.

[Terminatort800]

If this is true then BioWare just killed PC version of ME3. Very sad end of this game.

Modifié par Terminatort800, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:01 .

[GirlPower23]

Docjam wrote...

PC Sales of BF3 are much lower than 360 or PS3, and PC was intended to be the lead platform.  That speaks volumes.

I flat out refused to buy BF3 because of origin requirement and I don't like playing shooters on consoles.

Actually PC Sales for BF3 were about tied with PS3. It was only the Xbox360 that took the lead. BF3 also shifted it's "PC Focus" About midway through development to "Console" Focus. Please get your facts straight before posting. Another thing that hurt BF3's sales is that it wasn't on Steam. You just don't ignore the largest distributor in the world for Digital Sales on the PC.

Modifié par GirlPower23, 15 janvier 2012 - 01:31 .