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[Ryzaki]

Incognito JC wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

can't

copy and paste please....I'm not sure why bb code is not working for me

God, people, that is a simple cut and paste to fix the link.

Edit: Damn it Ryzaki, stop ninja-ing me

I went to sleep at page 110, now it's only 30+? This really has slowed down.

Also, for those people that says Origin doesn't scan anything outside of their folder now, don't you get the fact that they did so before? They breached the trust of the consumers, it's not so easy to redeem that. They also have the right to change the EULA as they see fit, no guarantee they won't revert back to what they did before, once this crapstorm is over.

I can't help if I'm the ninja master.

[Mister Mida]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

abaris wrote...

Mhh, all other concerns aside - so you willingly bloat your computer with all kinds of processes?

If you're a PC user, you should know how to write a Powershell of batch file that will shutdown the services you're afraid of and kill the processes you don't like.  It's pretty easy.    Don't ever forget why we get PCs...  We have a thousand times more control over them than consoles.

And that's why publishers want control over it by using crap like Steam and Origin.

[Zannana]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"Old version" behavior, combined with the EULA, makes this whole thing about the "new version" being "better behaved" meaningless.

A guy stabs someone in street, years later after being locked away when comes out; for rest of his life he never stabs anyone again. The point > Just because the old version wasn't perfect and did something doesn't mean new versions will. Thats where your lack of trust comes in and element of possible paranoia "once bitten, twice shy". But thats your personal issue on whether you trust them or not. However it does not make it factual that will do again.

And yet that has not been the only missteps of EA with the Origin application. Ex: wrongfully baning people from the forums and thus prohibiting them from playing the games they have bought.

[ArkkAngel007]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"Old version" behavior, combined with the EULA, makes this whole thing about the "new version" being "better behaved" meaningless.

A guy stabs someone in street, years later after being locked away when comes out; for rest of his life he never stabs anyone again. Just because the old version wasn't perfect and did something doesn't mean new versions will. Thats where your lack of trust comes in and element of possible paranoia "once bitten, twice shy". But thats your personal issue on whether you trust them or not however it does not make it factual that will do again.

It's not about proving they will, it's about the fact that they tried to once, and they could again. 

I'm not letting that guy stand behind me holding a knife no matter how much he claims to have "made a mistake".

EA was not trying to purposefully steal any information.  People took a general statement about how information could be given to third parties for marketing purposes and the broad scanning of Origin and concluded that it was stealing and storing personal information, which was completely outlandsih.  EA does have to follow laws, whether they have an EULA or not.  

The only mistake EA made, in this case, was not compiling a sound EULA from the beginning.  They put themselves in this mess (after all, why let a mistake happen in a industry as voracious as this one?) with that and the bugs in Origin, which made the general animosity towards Origin in comparison to Steam much worse.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Midz wrote...

Modern games cost a lot to develop, and as such are risky investments .

That EA wishes to push force Orogins should then not be suprise but i see no evil empire ...just sound business.
Digital download is becoming increasingly important it is common sense that EA wishes to enter that market .
Given that costs are high is it sensible to allow 20 / 30 per cent to go to Steam ?

Steam bears no development risks but you believe it is right that it should reap the profits of sucess ?

Steam is simply abusing its near monopoly position to accrue income .

Maybe EA are bad in the way they approach the problem and certainly in the way they explain .

It has become fashionable to critizise Ea wether they are right or wrong.The blind mindless support of Steam despite there clear unwillingness to compromise only demand acceptence of their diktat is simply mob fashion.

But EA are far from wrong in this scenario .

Offering the option of DD software for those who want it?  Good for EA and good for those who want it. 

But frcing me to install DD software that I'll never use to buy anything, as a condition of ever buying another product of any kind from them?  Pathetic. 

[crimzontearz]

Incognito JC wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
can't

copy and paste please....I'm not sure why bb code is not working for me

God, people, that is a simple cut and paste to fix the link.
Edit: Damn it Ryzaki, stop ninja-ing me
I went to sleep at page 110, now it's only 30+? This really has slowed down.
Also, for those people that says Origin doesn't scan anything outside of their folder now, don't you get the fact that they did so before? They breached the trust of the consumers, it's not so easy to redeem that. They also have the right to change the EULA as they see fit, no guarantee they won't revert back to what they did before, once this crapstorm is over.

Thank you Ryzaki

JC, it is not that simple on tablets......

[Killjoy Cutter]

Mister Mida wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

abaris wrote...

Mhh, all other concerns aside - so you willingly bloat your computer with all kinds of processes?

If you're a PC user, you should know how to write a Powershell of batch file that will shutdown the services you're afraid of and kill the processes you don't like.  It's pretty easy.    Don't ever forget why we get PCs...  We have a thousand times more control over them than consoles.

And that's why publishers want control over it by using crap like Steam and Origin.

Exactly.  That is a large part of this.

[Incognito JC]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

A guy stabs someone in street, years later after being locked away when comes out; for rest of his life he never stabs anyone again. The point > Just because the old version wasn't perfect and did something doesn't mean new versions will. Thats where your lack of trust comes in and element of possible paranoia "once bitten, twice shy". But thats your personal issue on whether you trust them or not. However it does not make it factual that will do again.

Hello again, I really do not want to argue with you, again, but your logic is flawed. There is such a term called repeat offenders. With your logic, you should be all fine and dandy with a child molestor living next door as a neighbour to your daughter.

[Docjam]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"Old version" behavior, combined with the EULA, makes this whole thing about the "new version" being "better behaved" meaningless.

A guy stabs someone in street, years later after being locked away when comes out; for rest of his life he never stabs anyone again. The point > Just because the old version wasn't perfect and did something doesn't mean new versions will. Thats where your lack of trust comes in and element of possible paranoia "once bitten, twice shy". But thats your personal issue on whether you trust them or not. However it does not make it factual that will do again.

Wow, that is a naieve outlook.

If someone stabs someone in the street and serves time, they still have a record, if some other violent crime happens in the area, they're one of the first suspects even if they're innocent.  Trust was broken, the man is a known convict, reformed or no, they suspect him of being the culprit until they find a better suspect or exhonerate the guy with evidence proving he didn't do it.

Better still is sex offenders example.  They are permanently registered, and when they move into a neighborhood, all the neighbors are made aware of his/her crimes, they can be looked up on family watchdog etc.  NOBODY trusts that person around their kids, or even grown women won't walk around at night alone when they know someone on that list lives nearby.  People sell their houses and MOVE because of those people, even if they truly are reformed, trust was at some point in time, breached, and that damage can never be undone.

EA is telling me that if I want to move into this new house, I have to live next door to a registered sex offender named Origin, they promise he hasn't done anything wrong recently, but have to admit, at one time he did get busted for being a peeping Tom.

No, I'm not going to move into that house.

[Ahglock]

Killjoy
Cutter wrote...

Dragoonlordz
wrote...

Killjoy
Cutter wrote...

"Old
version" behavior, combined with the EULA, makes this whole
thing about the "new version" being "better behaved"
meaningless. 

A
guy stabs someone in street, years later after being locked away when
comes out; for rest of his life he never stabs anyone again. Just
because the old version wasn't perfect and did something doesn't mean
new versions will. Thats where your lack of trust comes in and
element of possible paranoia "once bitten, twice shy". But
thats your personal issue on whether you trust them or not however it
does not make it factual that will do again.

It's
not about proving they will, it's about the fact that they tried to
once, and they could again.  

I'm
not letting that guy stand behind me holding a knife no matter how
much he claims to have "made a mistake". 

And
besides it isn't like this is the first act of bad behavior from EA
they sort of have made of a habit of being jerks.  It is more
akin to if a recidivist knifer gets out of jail and now you are
supposed ot trust them with a butcher knife when apparently you fit
their profiles of people he likes to knife.  

[Killjoy Cutter]

ChookAttack wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"Old version" behavior, combined with the EULA, makes this whole thing about the "new version" being "better behaved" meaningless.

A guy stabs someone in street, years later after being locked away when comes out; for rest of his life he never stabs anyone again. The point > Just because the old version wasn't perfect and did something doesn't mean new versions will. Thats where your lack of trust comes in and element of possible paranoia "once bitten, twice shy". But thats your personal issue on whether you trust them or not. However it does not make it factual that will do again.

I'll give the guy another chance, unless he's carrying a sign that says he reserves the right to stab someone again.

Speaking of changing the EULA and Origin at their whim...

[anzolino]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Origin uses 95k memory while running > Steam uses 50k memory while running
Origin uses 0% CPU while running > Steam uses 9% whle running.

The biggest hit to system resources is CPU, memory comes second to that.

What do you mean: the biggest hit? If your system is running out of memory it will be swapped to HDD and then it's going really slow. CPU doesn't matter because the CPU is almost
overpowered, but not the RAM.

But it's interesting: I had a look at the network traffic. The connection to EA Seattle was on the 9988 port. This is a virtual port that doesn't need any HDD accesses, it was especially designed for no file system communication of applications. The data will be send right through the RAM.
This would explain the amount of used memory?

[Nemotenetur]

Incognito JC wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

can't

copy and paste please....I'm not sure why bb code is not working for me

God, people, that is a simple cut and paste to fix the link.

Edit: Damn it Ryzaki, stop ninja-ing me

I went to sleep at page 110, now it's only 30+? This really has slowed down.

Also, for those people that says Origin doesn't scan anything outside of their folder now, don't you get the fact that they did so before? They breached the trust of the consumers, it's not so easy to redeem that. They also have the right to change the EULA as they see fit, no guarantee they won't revert back to what they did before, once this crapstorm is over.

To add to that, the EULA still allows the scanning (unless I'm misinformed, in which case, apologies). The only thing which was changed is that they can no longer sell the information to third parties. The mere fact such a provision even existed taints their intent of only collecting data to improve their service for the customers.

[ArkkAngel007]

Zannana wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"Old version" behavior, combined with the EULA, makes this whole thing about the "new version" being "better behaved" meaningless.

A guy stabs someone in street, years later after being locked away when comes out; for rest of his life he never stabs anyone again. The point > Just because the old version wasn't perfect and did something doesn't mean new versions will. Thats where your lack of trust comes in and element of possible paranoia "once bitten, twice shy". But thats your personal issue on whether you trust them or not. However it does not make it factual that will do again.

And yet that has not been the only missteps of EA with the Origin application. Ex: wrongfully baning people from the forums and thus prohibiting them from playing the games they have bought.

That Origin ban is a bug, and the bans were corrected (to my knowledge) when it was just a simple manner of foul language use (depending on the context).  There are some who were rightfully banned on the forums though and try to get attention.  

I actually want to see if that will still happen or not.  Anyone care to be a sacrificial lamb? Anyone? No? Me neither.  Hence why I stay away from EA forum central.

[abaris]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

EA was not trying to purposefully steal any information.  People took a general statement about how information could be given to third parties for marketing purposes and the broad scanning of Origin and concluded that it was stealing and storing personal information, which was completely outlandsih.  EA does have to follow laws, whether they have an EULA or not.  

When you consent to data collection and distribution to third parties you are fair game. That is a business policy covered by law. It's not about stealing data, since you already have agreed to provide it. It's about the dubious nature of the strings attached. You have to agree to data collection in order to use a product you just bought.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Moondoggie wrote...

photographerleia wrote...

I still take issue with Secu-ROM and have not bought games becasue of it as well.  Again, the reason that hasn't been brough up is b/c Secu-ROM is not the issue here.  Origin is.

You are missing my point. People raged about that and then still bought Mass Effect. They'll still buy Mass Effect 3 and since we are all going to buy the game anyway would you rather have Origin or another DRM? Their will always be something there and something like SecuROM has been a far bigger pain in the backside than Origin or Steam platforms will ever be.

Or would you take SecuROM over Origin?

What's this "we" you're talking about?  Speak for yourself. 

Some of us will actually follow through on this.  EA will lose sales. 

[Zannana]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Zannana wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"Old version" behavior, combined with the EULA, makes this whole thing about the "new version" being "better behaved" meaningless.

A guy stabs someone in street, years later after being locked away when comes out; for rest of his life he never stabs anyone again. The point > Just because the old version wasn't perfect and did something doesn't mean new versions will. Thats where your lack of trust comes in and element of possible paranoia "once bitten, twice shy". But thats your personal issue on whether you trust them or not. However it does not make it factual that will do again.

And yet that has not been the only missteps of EA with the Origin application. Ex: wrongfully baning people from the forums and thus prohibiting them from playing the games they have bought.

That Origin ban is a bug, and the bans were corrected (to my knowledge) when it was just a simple manner of foul language use (depending on the context).  There are some who were rightfully banned on the forums though and try to get attention.  

I actually want to see if that will still happen or not.  Anyone care to be a sacrificial lamb? Anyone? No? Me neither.  Hence why I stay away from EA forum central.

This happened in december again, dont know if it has been resolved but the worst was that people wrongfully banned tried to get in contact with customer support and didnt manage to have their issues resolved for quite a long time.

[Incognito JC]

Zannana wrote...

This happened in december again, dont know if it has been resolved but the worst was that people wrongfully banned tried to get in contact with customer support and didnt manage to have their issues resolved for quite a long time.

With that, I think most people in their right minds would not set foot on EA forums. I sure hope this forum isn't considered one.

[Pkxm]

For me, Steam uses 0 cpu, 15,984K mem. Origin uses 0 cpu, 58,036K mem. Both idle 

Modifié par Jsxdf, 15 janvier 2012 - 04:24 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Nemotenetur wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

can't

copy and paste please....I'm not sure why bb code is not working for me

God, people, that is a simple cut and paste to fix the link.

Edit: Damn it Ryzaki, stop ninja-ing me

I went to sleep at page 110, now it's only 30+? This really has slowed down.

Also, for those people that says Origin doesn't scan anything outside of their folder now, don't you get the fact that they did so before? They breached the trust of the consumers, it's not so easy to redeem that. They also have the right to change the EULA as they see fit, no guarantee they won't revert back to what they did before, once this crapstorm is over.

To add to that, the EULA still allows the scanning (unless I'm misinformed, in which case, apologies). The only thing which was changed is that they can no longer sell the information to third parties. The mere fact such a provision even existed taints their intent of only collecting data to improve their service for the customers.

Origin scans to detect any 'hits'.  Sorry if my jargon is different then some people, but in other words, it only looks for specific information and connections.

There is nothing wrong with scanning, and Origin needs to know your computer that it is installed on to run properly.  If EA were to change that scanning into doing so in other files (which it doesn't seem to do unless certain hardware/software is introduced) and actually sending that information to EA, then that would be a different story.

[ArkkAngel007]

Incognito JC wrote...

Zannana wrote...

This happened in december again, dont know if it has been resolved but the worst was that people wrongfully banned tried to get in contact with customer support and didnt manage to have their issues resolved for quite a long time.

With that, I think most people in their right minds would not set foot on EA forums. I sure hope this forum isn't considered one.

As far as I know it isn't, even though I haven't received an answer from anyone on the matter.  But since this is more tied to BioWare than EA (even if the account information is the same), I would hazard a guess at no.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Pemalite wrote...

Actually, Valve being a private company means that they don't have to answer to shareholders, so Profits is not the number 1 priority.
EA on the other hand does, so they will squeeze every cent they can, because the shareholders hold all the power and all they care about is profits.

That's true.

I have Mass Effect 1 and 2 and Dragon Age 1 and 2 on Steam, if they don't offer it on steam so I can have everything in one convenient place where I only have to remember 1 username and password... Then I simply ain't interested.
I skipped Battlefield 3 and Crysis 2 and now Mass Effect 3 because they aren't on Steam. That's about $300 they miss out on. (I live in Australia where games average around $100 on release.)

Now that's understandable.  Gah, it just kills me how folks outside the US get such a raw deal when it comes to games. :/

Not only that, But I don't wan't a dozen game managers installed on my PC, for instance when I bought GTA IV, I bought it on Steam, which required Games for Windows Live! To be installed then Rockstar Pass to be installed before I could even contemplate about playing it, that and I have to remember my username, password and email address for them all.
This crap needs to stop, it's doing nothing except annoying me the consumer , Funnily enough, Pirates don't have to deal with this.

Seriously.  I have steam and GoG.  And that's enough for me.  

I don't trust Origin or EA, EA closed/changed so many fantastic game studios it's not funny over the years, that and the forum bans transferring to Origin so you can't play the games you purchased.

Yeah, that bothered me quite a bit.

EA in my eyes aren't the nicest of companies to be tied into, give me the option EA to play your games on Steam and you can keep getting my money, till then. No red cent is coming from me, ever, there is a reason why EA and Origin are the some of the most hated in the minds of PC gamers.

Agreed.  No steam, no sale.  You haters out there can say what you please.  At the end of the day, it's just a game.  If we end up losing our experience because we don't want to be treated like entranced magpies with wallets, so be it.  The one who ends up losing is you, EA.

[Jack Pistols]

if you dont have origin you cant play me3?????????(pc) i am in shock, dont have credit card cant buy origin ergo I will never buy me3, My trust in bioware broke