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[Incognito JC]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Origin scans to detect any 'hits'.  Sorry if my jargon is different then some people, but in other words, it only looks for specific information and connections.

There is nothing wrong with scanning, and Origin needs to know your computer that it is installed on to run properly.  If EA were to change that scanning into doing so in other files (which it doesn't seem to do unless certain hardware/software is introduced) and actually sending that information to EA, then that would be a different story.

Someone mentioned quite a number of pages back, that Origin scans and changes the properties of other files. Anything on that? To be fair, I use "scan" because I'm not sure enough if it does anything else. I think there might be some screenshots on the 2nd page or so on this thread.

[Trekfanboy]

1) Yes, Origin is required for all PC editions of Mass Effect 3, physical or digital.

Yes, I cancelled my PC pre-order and will be sticking to the Xbox 360 version.

3) Origin is required for the PC versions of Mass Effect 3, both physical and digital.

I guess BioWare and EA want FEWER PC gamers to buy their games.

4) During
initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number
of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time.

Again,
I guess BioWare and EA want FEWER PC gamers to buy their games. I'm not a Steam fanboy, but most of my digital purchases are in my Steam library and most of the gamers I know use Steam more than any other digital download service, so not working out your differences with Steam only results in fewer copies of your game being sold.

5) Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

Of course it's an opt-out ... and EA probably made it next to impossible to find so that most people hand over their data.

6) Origin
is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on user’s
machines.

I guess you define spyware differently than I do. If a peice of software monitors my activity and reports that data to another party then I call that spyware.

The only thing this thread accomplished was to convince many people who NEVER would have pirated Mass Effect 3 that they are better off pirating a hacked version of the game that strips out Origin.

Bravo, BioWare and EA.

[Pkxm]

Jack Pistols wrote...

if you dont have origin you cant play me3?????????(pc) i am in shock, dont have credit card cant buy origin ergo I will never buy me3, My trust in bioware broke

You don't have to pay for Origin.

At least not yet...

Modifié par Jsxdf, 15 janvier 2012 - 04:32 .

[Pupuppu]

anzolino wrote...

So far I didn't found the changes for the German EULA in the English version. That's make me sad, because all non-German users will be still traped.

How do they determine under which jurisdiction a user falls?

Modifié par Pupuppu, 15 janvier 2012 - 04:32 .

[Dragoonlordz]

ChookAttack wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"Old version" behavior, combined with the EULA, makes this whole thing about the "new version" being "better behaved" meaningless.

A guy stabs someone in street, years later after being locked away when comes out; for rest of his life he never stabs anyone again. The point > Just because the old version wasn't perfect and did something doesn't mean new versions will. Thats where your lack of trust comes in and element of possible paranoia "once bitten, twice shy". But thats your personal issue on whether you trust them or not. However it does not make it factual that will do again.

I'll give the guy another chance, unless he's carrying a sign that says he reserves the right to stab someone again.

For a large group of people on here trust is already gone. So it makes no difference whether they have to install Origin or even if got their way and did not. It won't make them trust EA more, just like in relationships where someone has cheated on their spouse. They can make ammends over time and they can say won't ever cheat then "bam!" one day out blue they done it again without reason or they may never do it again.

In this situation we have people who say their trust is gone but wish to remain in the relationship because they gain something from it (Biowares games) provided nothing happens again when the reality is it may or may not. As long as you spend all your time on "if" something wil happen again your relationship is doomed from the offset. If you have issues so bad that you will never trust EA then you really should just leave now. Because your lack of trust will never go away. If you want 100% guarantee that they will never do anything again to trouble you then your essentially out of luck. No 100% guarantees, but unless you willing to let go of that bitterness and mistrust your just going to spend rest of your life paranoid that something might happen again.

[Jonathan Shepard]

crimzontearz wrote...

 penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/piracy








once again with feeling, repetita juvant

I love that someone else thought of posting this, but honestly? They don't bring up Origin and what it does. Yes, the DRM sucks. But it's not the anti-piracy measures that bother a lot of people. It's the spyware. When a game- an entertainment medium you paid for- violates your right to privacy, what then? 

No company should have that right. I've personally made the decision to allow EA one chance with Origin. I agree to the current terms of service and will purchase ME3. But when those terms change? They will no longer be the agreement I accepted. EA cannot legally take away my right to privacy or to use a product I paid for. A contract that I technically may not know before purchase canNOT be forced on the consumer. Especially if it tries to strip them of the right to a class-action law suit.

Right now, Origin is not spyware. But because of some iffy clauses in the EULA, it can become such. And I will never agree to that. EA deserves a chance at the digital download market. They do not deserve to breach my rights. And as long as they do not do so, I will use Origin and ME3. If such things change, I will make sure every news site knows about it and cease using ME3 on PC.

[Dragoonlordz]

Trekfanboy wrote...

1) Yes, Origin is required for all PC editions of Mass Effect 3, physical or digital.

Yes, I cancelled my PC pre-order and will be sticking to the Xbox 360 version.

3) Origin is required for the PC versions of Mass Effect 3, both physical and digital.

I guess BioWare and EA want FEWER PC gamers to buy their games.

4) During
initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number
of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time.

Again,
I guess BioWare and EA want FEWER PC gamers to buy their games. I'm not a Steam fanboy, but most of my digital purchases are in my Steam library and most of the gamers I know use Steam more than any other digital download service, so not working out your differences with Steam only results in fewer copies of your game being sold.

5) Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

Of course it's an opt-out ... and EA probably made it next to impossible to find so that most people hand over their data.

6) Origin
is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on user’s
machines.

I guess you define spyware differently than I do. If a peice of software monitors my activity and reports that data to another party then I call that spyware.

The only thing this thread accomplished was to convince many people who NEVER would have pirated Mass Effect 3 that they are better off pirating a hacked version of the game that strips out Origin.

Bravo, BioWare and EA.

What happened to no.2? You went from 1 to 3.

[Incognito JC]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

What happened to no.2? You went from 1 to 3.

Probably just means he has no problem with number 2, no constant net connection.

[Dragoonlordz]

Incognito JC wrote...

Zannana wrote...

This happened in december again, dont know if it has been resolved but the worst was that people wrongfully banned tried to get in contact with customer support and didnt manage to have their issues resolved for quite a long time.

With that, I think most people in their right minds would not set foot on EA forums. I sure hope this forum isn't considered one.

It is. See the report button top of post it goes directly to EA and bypasses Bioware.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 04:40 .

[Ryzaki]

The PLC wrote...

This is one craaaazy thread.

This is BSN. What did you expect? 

[Incognito JC]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is. See the report button top of post it goes directly to EA and bypasses Bioware.

..Well, crap.

[tj987654321]

Jsxdf wrote...

Jack Pistols wrote...

if you dont have origin you cant play me3?????????(pc) i am in shock, dont have credit card cant buy origin ergo I will never buy me3, My trust in bioware broke

You don't have to pay for Origin.

At least not yet...

You can still buy ME 3 in retail stores, you wil just have to install Origin.

For those that do not understand, Origin IS your
EA account! Just by using these forums, you basically already have an
Origin account. Your login information remains exactly the same. It is
just like Xbox Live and Hotmail.

Also, Origin does not require payment information UNLESS you purchase a game through their service instead of in-store.

I hope this was sort of helpful!

[Deadstoned]

Pre-order cancelled for 3 people I know. Our entire Mass Effect collections are all on Steam, we don't want them split up. I hope that in a year's time or so the Complete Edition comes on Steam or as the GOTY edition (I waited for the Ultimate Edition of Dragon Age Origins to do this). Because now this makes Crysis 2, Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 I haven't purchased due to them not being available on my preferred platform. Origin isn't as polished and not used to its full potential either when Mass Effect 2 DLC remains only available through the Bioware store with a ridiculous Bioware Points system. I haven't bought the ME2 DLC and I wont buy any of the other mentioned EA games until they're available back on Steam.

I've bought Battlefield 3 from Origin (from India), but I'm not impressed with the layout of the store, the service or the infrequent updates. Steam is my preferred digital Library, EA please serve all of your customers and put the games back on Steam. If its at a premium to make up for the fact your losing money to Valve, that's fine, just give me the choice of where I buy my stuff and when Origin is better and cheaper I'll re-consider using it. The exclusives tactics is just going to lead to alternate routes of people acquiring your products. I wont but you know others will.

[Ahglock]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

For a large group of people on here trust is already gone. So it makes no difference whether they have to install Origin or even if got their way and did not. It won't make them trust EA more, just like in relationships where someone has cheated on their spouse. They can make ammends over time and they can say won't ever cheat then "bam!" one day out blue they done it again without reason or they may never do it again.

In this situation we have people who say their trust is gone but wish to remain in the relationship because they gain something from it (Biowares games) provided nothing happens again when the reality is it may or may not. As long as you spend all your time on "if" something wil happen again your relationship is doomed from the offset. If you have issues so bad that you will never trust EA then you really should just leave now. Because your lack of trust will never go away. If you want 100% guarantee that they will never do anything again to trouble you then your essentially out of luck. No 100% guarantees, but unless you willing to let go of that bitterness and mistrust your just going to spend rest of your life paranoid that something might happen again.

What?  My trust is gone, but if they didn't force origin on me I woudln't have to trust them.  Because no matter what crap they pulled once I owned the game, I would own the game and there would be nothing they could do to me.  The only reason trust matters is because they a forcing a continuing relationship on you one where they have all the control.  If they gave the user all the control you could distrust them, but not care because they couldn't hurt you.  

[mustafarslan]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Below are answers to the most commonly asked questions about Origin and Mass Effect 3. Thank you for your patience as we have worked to answer them.

1) Will Origin be a requirement to play all versions of Mass Effect 3? (Digital and/or from a retail brick and mortar store)
Yes, Origin is required for all PC editions of Mass Effect 3, physical or digital.

2) Is constant Origin connection required or is it a single one off authentication when the game is first installed. Is there also a limit to the number of installations available?
Mass Effect 3 will require a one time, single authorization for the single player game. There is no limit to the number of installs. Playing Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer will require a constant connection.

3) Is Origin required for the retail versions of the game?
Origin is required for the PC versions of Mass Effect 3, both physical and digital.

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection? 
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

6) I’ve seen reports that Origin is spyware.  Is this true?
Origin is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on user’s machines.  In order to allow Origin to install games and their patches for everyone to use, Origin implements a permission change that results in Windows, not Origin, reviewing the filenames in the ProgramData/Origin folder.   This is an ordinary Windows function, not an information-gathering process. 

7) Has the Origin EULA been updated following recent questions in Germany?
The German Origin EULA has been updated.  For more information, please review the Origin EULA here: http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas.

8) Is there a double-opt in for Mass Effect 3 marketing emails for German residents?
Yes, we always adhere to the German requirement of a double opt-in standard for marketing emails.  Mass Effect 3 users must opt-in twice to receive these emails.


I appreciate everyone's patience on this topic. Please continue to ask questions about Mass Effect 3 and Origin and I will continue to try to get the answers for you.

No steam = No original EA game (thanks god we still have TORRENTS ! )
I didnt play BF3 and NFS The Run and wont play any of EA game until they release their games on steam. 
EA is dead for me when they released Origin . 

[Parahexavoctal]

I guess this means I won't be buying ME3 then. Not being on Steam is not a big deal. Being on Origin is not a big deal. But being an Origin exclusive, requiring Origin even for physically purchased copies? That's just awful.

[anzolino]

Does anyone know if this is solved: Logged in to another user, pretty unsecure...?

Pupuppu wrote...

anzolino wrote...

So far I didn't found the changes for the German EULA in the English version. That's make me sad, because all non-German users will be still traped.

How do they determine under which jurisdiction a user falls?

This is a good question I wonder too. I don't know,

[tj987654321]

Incognito JC wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

What happened to no.2? You went from 1 to 3.

Probably just means he has no problem with number 2, no constant net connection.

Actually, ME 3 nor Origin requires a constant internet connection. You
just have to sign into your Origin account once while online. Then you
can switch to offline mode whenever you want. Obviously, you cannot play
online while in offline mode, but you can still play single player.

[Dragoonlordz]

Deadstoned wrote...

If its at a premium to make up for the fact your losing money to Valve, that's fine, just give me the choice of where I buy my stuff and when Origin is better and cheaper I'll re-consider using it. The exclusives tactics is just going to lead to alternate routes of people acquiring your products. I wont but you know others will.

I don't think they can, I think thats part of the problem where I think I read terms of selling on Steam is that Steam dictates no game sold on their goes higher than what they decide. On top of that I believe they demand that Origin cannot sell for cheaper, this (imho) is the equivilant of sticking two fingers up to EA (not saying they don't deserve it from time to time) but with their pushing forward with trying to compete I don't think they will agree to those two terms.

[GamerFreak 259]

tj987654321 wrote...

Jsxdf wrote...

Jack Pistols wrote...

if you dont have origin you cant play me3?????????(pc) i am in shock, dont have credit card cant buy origin ergo I will never buy me3, My trust in bioware broke

You don't have to pay for Origin.

At least not yet...

You can still buy ME 3 in retail stores, you wil just have to install Origin.

For those that do not understand, Origin IS your
EA account! Just by using these forums, you basically already have an
Origin account. Your login information remains exactly the same. It is
just like Xbox Live and Hotmail.

Also, Origin does not require payment information UNLESS you purchase a game through their service instead of in-store.

I hope this was sort of helpful!

finally someone gets it

[Jack Pistols]

Sorry i really lost here, wtf is origin? cease to complicate my life please

[Nemotenetur]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Origin scans to detect any 'hits'.  Sorry if my jargon is different then some people, but in other words, it only looks for specific information and connections.

There is nothing wrong with scanning, and Origin needs to know your computer that it is installed on to run properly.  If EA were to change that scanning into doing so in other files (which it doesn't seem to do unless certain hardware/software is introduced) and actually sending that information to EA, then that would be a different story.

Thank you for the explanation But as Incognito says, there have been other reports earlier in the threat. I'm not saying you're not correct, I'm just saying there is no decisive proof one way or the other. Considering the circumstances, I'm just staying cautious.

[nici2412]

So no PC version for me. Maybe the ps3 version, but all my saves(6) are on my pc, so it depends if i can motivate myself to another ME run.

[Wardka]

anzolino wrote...

Does anyone know if this is solved: Logged in to another user, pretty unsecure...?

Whoa, I hadn't even heard of that. That's absurd.