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[Nemotenetur]

Jack Pistols wrote...

Sorry i really lost here, wtf is origin? cease to complicate my life please

It is EA's online download service and online storefront, similar to Steam. You do not need to pay for it, it is free to download (and I suspect it'll be on ME3's disc)

[Jack Pistols]

sorry must have read before writing, looks like a troll really sorry

[goofyomnivore]

But as Incognito says, there have been other reports earlier in the threat. I'm not saying you're not correct, I'm just saying there is no decisive proof one way or the other. Considering the circumstances, I'm just staying cautious.

That is the older version of Origin. I personally let the current version run for about 4-5 hours and it didn't once look outside its own root folder.

Now people are upset about their trust being violated and them sneaking the old Origin back in.

[Ahglock]

tj987654321 wrote...

Actually, ME 3 nor Origin requires a constant internet connection. You
just have to sign into your Origin account once while online. Then you
can switch to offline mode whenever you want. Obviously, you cannot play
online while in offline mode, but you can still play single player.

Personally that is one of the things that I don't care about.  While I think DRM is pointless on some level so is locking your doors at night but we all do it.  A quick log in check is a fairly unobtrusive DRM. Bing forced to get another client, one that is vastly inferior to the competition sucks, the data collection without a true opt out sucks massively, the past "mistakes" suck etc.  

[Pkxm]

Jack Pistols wrote...

Sorry i really lost here, wtf is origin? cease to complicate my life please

http://www.origin.com/about 

Origin brings an entire universe of gaming into a single, convenient application. Downloads are streamlined for quick and easy installation, and you can securely purchase and play your favorite games any time and any place you want. You can even chat with your friends right from the Origin application while you play. New features recently added to Origin include live streaming demos, free-to-play games, and a beta cloud storage feature. This feature allows you to save your progress online, then pick up where you left off from any Origin-enabled PC. For gamers on the go, Origin services are also available on your mobile device!Origin is now expanding to offer top PC game titles from some of the world’s best video game publishers, giving you even more access to the latest and greatest in gaming content.


It is mostly EA games on there, and ME3 will require it no matter where you purchase it. The controversy over it is privacy and fair use related 

Modifié par Jsxdf, 15 janvier 2012 - 04:53 .

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

tj987654321 wrote...

Jsxdf wrote...

Jack Pistols wrote...

if you dont have origin you cant play me3?????????(pc) i am in shock, dont have credit card cant buy origin ergo I will never buy me3, My trust in bioware broke

You don't have to pay for Origin.

At least not yet...

You can still buy ME 3 in retail stores, you wil just have to install Origin.

For those that do not understand, Origin IS your
EA account! Just by using these forums, you basically already have an
Origin account. Your login information remains exactly the same. It is
just like Xbox Live and Hotmail.

Also, Origin does not require payment information UNLESS you purchase a game through their service instead of in-store.

I hope this was sort of helpful!

In fact the information regarding Origin isn't quite right. There's the Origin account, which was simply rebranded a while ago AND there is the Origin CLIENT, which many of us talk about. Especially with the EULA that could be changed anytime, which makes it a no-go for many. So 'no', there is no real equivalent to the _Origin client_ by EA on the consoles.

In simple terms:    Origin != Origin client software

[Cziter]

I'm not so stupid to install EA spyware called Origin. Funny that piracy is now the safest sollution to play games on pc. **** u EA, suck my dick, but not my wallet.

[anzolino]

Jack,
you have an Origin account on the website. A simple online account. There you're right logged in, because it's your BSN account too. The Origin account.
And then there is the software Origin. The online distribution platform. There you can buy games etc. The Origin client belongs to that.

If you want to play you need both: you have to
- login into your online account Origin and
- to use the distribution client software Origin.

[Mothhive]

No Steam = No Sale

Requiring Origin = No idea WTF Bioware is thinking

[Dragoonlordz]

Ahglock wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

For a large group of people on here trust is already gone. So it makes no difference whether they have to install Origin or even if got their way and did not. It won't make them trust EA more, just like in relationships where someone has cheated on their spouse. They can make ammends over time and they can say won't ever cheat then "bam!" one day out blue they done it again without reason or they may never do it again.

In this situation we have people who say their trust is gone but wish to remain in the relationship because they gain something from it (Biowares games) provided nothing happens again when the reality is it may or may not. As long as you spend all your time on "if" something wil happen again your relationship is doomed from the offset. If you have issues so bad that you will never trust EA then you really should just leave now. Because your lack of trust will never go away. If you want 100% guarantee that they will never do anything again to trouble you then your essentially out of luck. No 100% guarantees, but unless you willing to let go of that bitterness and mistrust your just going to spend rest of your life paranoid that something might happen again.

What?  My trust is gone, but if they didn't force origin on me I woudln't have to trust them.  Because no matter what crap they pulled once I owned the game, I would own the game and there would be nothing they could do to me.  The only reason trust matters is because they a forcing a continuing relationship on you one where they have all the control.  If they gave the user all the control you could distrust them, but not care because they couldn't hurt you.  

"because they a forcing" There is no gun to your head. Nothing if forcing you to stay in a relationship where you are unhappy with the terms. It is semi-right that they have control for the most part in they are the ones who spent the millions in making that product you are interested in.

While customers should get to voice their concerns they do not have control (just opinion and suggestions) and they did not spend the millions (even if you add all the customers who are against this together I think would be between 100 and couple thousend tops lets say) out of the millions who bought and continue to buy as will happen with ME3, you do not without their consent get to decide what they make or how they make it because that money you spend in the past was for products you already recieved AND for the most part enjoyed; not what they made next. The freedom to buy or not buy something is the important one, you have that and you can use that.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 04:59 .

[Ahglock]

strive wrote...

But as Incognito says, there have been other reports earlier in the threat. I'm not saying you're not correct, I'm just saying there is no decisive proof one way or the other. Considering the circumstances, I'm just staying cautious.

That is the older version of Origin. I personally let the current version run for about 4-5 hours and it didn't once look outside its own root folder.

Now people are upset about their trust being violated and them sneaking the old Origin back in.

But they can change the current version at any time with the EULA without having to warn you.  How many does a company have to act poorly before you stop trusitng them.(rhetorical question)

[Incognito JC]

tj987654321 wrote...

Actually, ME 3 nor Origin requires a constant internet connection. You
just have to sign into your Origin account once while online. Then you
can switch to offline mode whenever you want. Obviously, you cannot play
online while in offline mode, but you can still play single player.

What? That's exactly what I said.

Wardka wrote...

anzolino wrote...

Does anyone know if this is solved: Logged in to another user, pretty unsecure...?

Whoa, I hadn't even heard of that. That's absurd.

This is a serious issue, no follow ups on this?

Modifié par Incognito JC, 15 janvier 2012 - 04:59 .

[Sundance31us]

strive wrote...

The EULA makes it clear that EA can change Origin's behavior at any time, with no notice.

Elaborate? I didn't see anything in the EULA that indicated that. I could of overlooked it though. The closest I got was the auto-update bit, but still you accept the new eula/terms everytime it auto updates manually. It doesn't 'sneak' by you.

The clause refered to is common in contracts, in fact I have yet to see a contract that does not include one.

ELECTRONIC ARTS SOFTWARE END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR ORIGIN™ APPLICATION AND RELATED SERVICES (FORMERLY CALLED “THE EA DOWNLOAD MANAGER”)
http://eacom.s3.amaz...gin_9.16.11.pdf

G. Changes to Agreement. Notwithstanding any provision in this Agreement to the contrary, we agree that if EA makes any future change to this arbitration provision (other than a change to the Notice of Dispute address), you may reject any such change by sending us written notice within thirty (30) days of the change to the Notice of Dispute address provided above. By rejecting any future change, you are agreeing that you will arbitrate any dispute between us in accordance with the language of this provision.
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Edit: Recopied Steam Subscriber Agreement paragraph. Added lines.

Modifié par Sundance31us, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:03 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Yep. Steam is exactly the same. So is almost any EULA anywhere.

[Dariustwinblade]

Why do I fear Bioware may endup like WestWood and the C&C franchise.

[anzolino]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
because they a forcing " There is no gun to your head. Nothing if forcing you to stay in a relationship where you are unhappy with the terms. It is semi-right that they have control for the most part in they are the ones who spent the millions in making that product you are interested in.

Of course they are forcing: Give us your data or you cannot play. That is forcing. It wouldn't be if they say: Here is the opt-in/out, please give us your data while you're playing.

BTW: You can't blame the consumer if they are spend millions in developement! The usually consumer like me is willing to spend his money for the game. If they would doing things right, they would have no problems to get their millions back.

[izmirtheastarach]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Why do I fear Bioware may endup like WestWood and the C&C franchise.

Because you're crazy? You have to fail a few times before your studio gets shuttered. So far that hasn't happened for Bioware.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:03 .

[Incognito JC]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yep. Steam is exactly the same. So is almost any EULA anywhere.

Steam asks for data mining permission. Origin does not. Like I said, it's a trust thing.

[Dariustwinblade]

Why do I fear Bioware may endup like WestWood and the C&C franchise.

[Gunderic]

Mothhive wrote...

No Steam = No Sale

Requiring Origin = No idea WTF Bioware is thinking

steam or GTFO Bioware. :happy:

[izmirtheastarach]

Incognito JC wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yep. Steam is exactly the same. So is almost any EULA anywhere.

Steam asks for data mining permission. Origin does not. Like I said, it's a trust thing.

And as I said yesterday, I'm still not sure what information EA can steal from me that I have not already given them. Name, address, credit card info, etc. They already have all that, and nothing bad has come from it. So what am I supposed to be worried about?

[Dariustwinblade]

@izmirtheastarach

It all starts somewhere. Pretty soon you will have a Dragon Age: Twilight or Mass Effect: Twilight Reapers.

And then BW going down.

[Pupuppu]

Sundance31us wrote...

The clause refered to is common in contracts, in fact I have yet to see a contract that does not include one.

You see the difference that Steam actually informs the user of changes whereas EA will do so only under special circumstances. How often has EA changed their Privacy policy in the 180 days? 4 times? 6 times? When did Steam had their last change? 2 years, 3 years ago?

[Incognito JC]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

And as I said yesterday, I'm still not sure what information EA can steal from me that I have not already given them. Name, address, credit card info, etc. They already have all that, and nothing bad has come from it. So what am I supposed to be worried about?

Not everyone gave them their credit card info. So you have nothing to worry about, doesn't mean it's the same for others.

[Dragoonlordz]

anzolino wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
because they a forcing " There is no gun to your head. Nothing if forcing you to stay in a relationship where you are unhappy with the terms. It is semi-right that they have control for the most part in they are the ones who spent the millions in making that product you are interested in.

Of course they are forcing: Give us your data or you cannot play. That is forcing. It wouldn't be if they say: Here is the opt-in/out, please give us your data while you're playing.

BTW: You can't blame the consumer if they are spend millions in developement! The usually consumer like me is willing to spend his money for the game. If they would doing things right, they would have no problems to get their millions back.

They are still not forcing you. It is a case of "This is the product we will be supplying which includes x, y and z". 

There is no opt in or opt out just like when you buy Skyrim it comes with Steam and Steam must be installed even if play offline mode. Bethesda/Steam gave you no choice there just like EA/Bioware do not here  (that is the product they are selling). You have free will and choice to buy or not.