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[Pupuppu]

Incognito JC wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yep. Steam is exactly the same. So is almost any EULA anywhere.

Steam asks for data mining permission. Origin does not. Like I said, it's a trust thing.

The last time Steam asked for Data, it actually let me review the Data it had collected, before asking to send it.

[Ahglock]

Dragoonlordz wrote...


"
because they a forcing " There is no gun to your head. Nothing if forcing you to stay in a relationship where you are unhappy with the terms. It is semi-right that they have control for the most part in they are the ones who spent the millions in making that product you are interested in.

While customers should get to voice their concerns they do not have control (just opinion and suggestions) and they did not spend the millions (even if you add all the customers who are against this together I think would be between 100 and couple thousend tops lets say) out of the millions who bought and continue to buy as will happen with ME3, you do not without their consent get to decide what they make or how they make it because that money you spend in the past was for products you already recieved AND for the most part enjoyed; not what they made next. The freedom to buy or not buy something is the important one, you have that and you can use that.

I think it was fairly clear what was meant by forcing in that context so trying to twist it in that nature kind of falls flat.  

And if it isn't obvious yes they have the right to make the game however they want as long as they are not violating any laws etc.  And I don't think anyone claims that they don't have the right to do, so and I don't think anyone is claiming anything of the like you are talking about.  So exactly what is your point?

 We all know we have the right to purchase or not, we are talking about how we think it is a bad and abusive action to their customers to force a client on them with the purchase.  So that if you want to actually use and enjoy your lawfully purchased product you have a forced continuing relationship with them through the spyware client they package with the game.  Can I choose to avoid all of this by not buying it, sure that does not make the situation one where EA is a good actor.  There are a lot of things in this world that are both legal to do and still really crapy things to do to some one at the same time.  

[realguile]

Parahexavoctal wrote...

I guess this means I won't be buying ME3 then. Not being on Steam is not a big deal. Being on Origin is not a big deal. But being an Origin exclusive, requiring Origin even for physically purchased copies? That's just awful.

Get it on xbox and get tekken X streetfighter as well.

[izmirtheastarach]

Incognito JC wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

And as I said yesterday, I'm still not sure what information EA can steal from me that I have not already given them. Name, address, credit card info, etc. They already have all that, and nothing bad has come from it. So what am I supposed to be worried about?

Not everyone gave them their credit card info. So you have nothing to worry about, doesn't mean it's the same for others.

So...at multibillion dollar company is going to steal your credit card infor and what...buy gas and sneakers with it? Somehow I don't think that's ever really happened.

[Incognito JC]

Pupuppu wrote...

The last time Steam asked for Data, it actually let me review the Data it had collected, before asking to send it.

You would think the people behind Origin would learn a thing or two from Steam. If this was a competition, Steam is already winning.

Modifié par Incognito JC, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:15 .

[anzolino]

izmirtheastarach wrote...
And as I said yesterday, I'm still not sure what information EA can steal from me that I have not already given them. Name, address, credit card info, etc. They already have all that, and nothing bad has come from it. So what am I supposed to be worried about?

Maybe they have that from you, but not from all users.
Anyway they have no right to steal in the same way we don't have the right to pirate. Both of us won't be pirated.

[Arty The Poopie]

Chris Priestly wrote...


4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
No because EA is a terrible publisher.

Fixed that for you.

[Ahglock]

izmirtheastarach wrote...


And as I said yesterday, I'm still not sure what information EA can steal from me that I have not already given them. Name, address, credit card info, etc. They already have all that, and nothing bad has come from it. So what am I supposed to be worried about?

Privacy is rarely about what damge they can do to you.  I am not worried about what they will mine, but I do value my privacy.  

[izmirtheastarach]

anzolino wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
And as I said yesterday, I'm still not sure what information EA can steal from me that I have not already given them. Name, address, credit card info, etc. They already have all that, and nothing bad has come from it. So what am I supposed to be worried about?

Maybe they have that from you, but not from all users.
Anyway they have no right to steal in the same way we don't have the right to pirate. Both of us won't be pirated.

I've yet to see one single example of this ever actually happening. Until I do, this is nothing but hysteria over some boilerplate. Just because you think the EULA allows something scary doesn't mean it's actually happening.

[izmirtheastarach]

Ahglock wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...


And as I said yesterday, I'm still not sure what information EA can steal from me that I have not already given them. Name, address, credit card info, etc. They already have all that, and nothing bad has come from it. So what am I supposed to be worried about?

Privacy is rarely about what damge they can do to you.  I am not worried about what they will mine, but I do value my privacy.  

I value my privacy too. That's not really the point. EA has no info from me that dozens of other companies have. There is no real way around that if you want to participate in online commerace.

[ArkkAngel007]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yep. Steam is exactly the same. So is almost any EULA anywhere.

Steam asks for data mining permission. Origin does not. Like I said, it's a trust thing.

And as I said yesterday, I'm still not sure what information EA can steal from me that I have not already given them. Name, address, credit card info, etc. They already have all that, and nothing bad has come from it. So what am I supposed to be worried about?

Not to mention none of those things are what get looked at.  Your operating system, hardware, internet address, and related software are all that will be looked into.  Some of those even Steam will regardless whether or not you agree because it is important for the system to operate (aka operating system and address).  Everyone who says that Origin is spyware still and believes their personal information on their machine is being handed over is ignorant.  I realize many will take offense to it, but just jumping on the bandwagon without objectively analyzing the situation is a form of ignorance.  

And like it has been said above, if you have an EA/BioWare/Origin account, they already have basic information that you have given them, and that is all they need on a personal level.

[Arty The Poopie]

izmirtheastarach wrote...
Just because you think the EULA allows something scary doesn't mean it's actually happening.

Then why the hell did they put it in the EULA?

[Incognito JC]

izmirtheastarach wrote...


So...at multibillion dollar company is going to steal your credit card infor and what...buy gas and sneakers with it? Somehow I don't think that's ever really happened.

Are you really that oblivious to the mass hacking on many major corporations since the past year?

[Dragoonlordz]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yep. Steam is exactly the same. So is almost any EULA anywhere.

Steam asks for data mining permission. Origin does not. Like I said, it's a trust thing.

And as I said yesterday, I'm still not sure what information EA can steal from me that I have not already given them. Name, address, credit card info, etc. They already have all that, and nothing bad has come from it. So what am I supposed to be worried about?

For you and me, nothing we both have bought products from EA and/or Bioware they already have names/address and card detail for example. If have no problem Origin scanning registry and computer specifications plus game directory based on current application does and if are not paranoid or revovle around issue or trust that in any (EULA including Steam which all state including retail copies from games that do not require clients which all have same part saying they can change their EULA at anytime) then again you have no problems. If you do not mind using a client to play a game, if have no problem with any of those three things then you have nothing to worry about at all.

[izmirtheastarach]

Arty The Poopie wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
Just because you think the EULA allows something scary doesn't mean it's actually happening.

Then why the hell did they put it in the EULA?

Do you understand the concept of boilerplate? EULA's, like any contract, are often put together through almost a copy and paste process. All they are really doing is trying to cover themselves legally. Sometimes the provisions are enforceable, sometimes they aren't. But again, show me one example of EA literally doing something with Origin that I should be worried about. A real, verifiable example.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:16 .

[abaris]

izmirtheastarach wrote...


And as I said yesterday, I'm still not sure what information EA can steal from me that I have not already given them. Name, address, credit card info, etc. They already have all that, and nothing bad has come from it. So what am I supposed to be worried about?

They can figure you out. Habits, tastes, interests, the lot.

A lot of companies are trying to pull that marketing trick. They're always looking for ways to adress their core audience. If you're comfortable with that, you probably won't have a problem. I'm not, since I'm not interested in getting offers they think might interest me.

[the almighty moo]

You'd think the sheer ammount of hatred towards origin would make EA get rid of it. But I think the only way to make them would be a mass boycott.

I'm kinda glad I own an xbox, judging by the comments people come up with about it.

[izmirtheastarach]

Incognito JC wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...


So...at multibillion dollar company is going to steal your credit card infor and what...buy gas and sneakers with it? Somehow I don't think that's ever really happened.

Are you really that oblivious to the mass hacking on many major corporations since the past year?

That has nothing whatsover to do with this issue. That is an issue of the companies own internal security. Yes, I would absolutely never give sony my credit card info, because it seems like their servers would almost completely unsecured. 

[Dragoonlordz]

ChookAttack wrote...

Secondly, as long as every EULA I have read reserves the right for the licensor to alter the agreement unilaterally at any time, nothing they write or change is any more binding than a letter to Santa Claus

Look at and read any EULA even on any retail games including ones that do not use clients, the same clause exists for all.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:18 .

[Alex Arterius]

Never has this been more appropriate.

I'm out.

[izmirtheastarach]

abaris wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...


And as I said yesterday, I'm still not sure what information EA can steal from me that I have not already given them. Name, address, credit card info, etc. They already have all that, and nothing bad has come from it. So what am I supposed to be worried about?

They can figure you out. Habits, tastes, interests, the lot.

A lot of companies are trying to pull that marketing trick. They're always looking for ways to adress their core audience. If you're comfortable with that, you probably won't have a problem. I'm not, since I'm not interested in getting offers they think might interest me.

As I said yesterday, the only real way to avoid this is to cancel your broadband account. Because the number one company who is doing what you describe is your ISP.

[Incognito JC]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

That has nothing whatsover to do with this issue. That is an issue of the companies own internal security. Yes, I would absolutely never give sony my credit card info, because it seems like their servers would almost completely unsecured. 

That has EVERYTHING to do with this. Sony is not the only one who got hacked. Look up on hacker news. What makes you think EA is so secure? You wrote their firewall?