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[Cziter]

Origin is gathering so called "data an statistics" to improve so called "customer service" its more offensive than steam. Same sh... like spyware.

[Sundance31us]

Incognito JC wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
Yep. Steam is exactly the same. So is almost any EULA anywhere.

Steam asks for data mining permission. Origin does not. Like I said, it's a trust thing.

Actually Origin does ask; the EULA is a contract between you and EA/Origin listing the nature of the business relationship you enter into by accepting the contract. If you do not wish to share information, do not accept the contract.

[OperativeX]

WOW... this thread was up to like 60 pages when i looked at it yesterday. Now its 140. That's a lot of pissed off customers Bioware. You and EA are really gonna regret making ME3 Origin-mandatory

[Nauks]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

They are still not forcing you. It is a case of "This is the product we will be supplying which includes x, y and z". 

There is no opt in or opt out just like when you buy Skyrim it comes with Steam and Steam must be installed even if play offline mode. Bethesda/Steam gave you no choice there just like EA/Bioware do not here  (that is the product they are selling). You have free will and choice to buy or not.

Being loud and annoying ≠ being correct.

[Dovahzaan]

Chris Priestly wrote...
5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection?  
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game. 

Is this really necessary? And can you please sticky this thread again. It's a much more important information than pre order bonuses.

Chris Priestly wrote...
Please continue to ask questions about Mass Effect 3 and Origin and I will continue to try to get the answers for you.

Modifié par Dovahzaan, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:21 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Incognito JC wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

That has nothing whatsover to do with this issue. That is an issue of the companies own internal security. Yes, I would absolutely never give sony my credit card info, because it seems like their servers would almost completely unsecured. 

That has EVERYTHING to do with this. Sony is not the only one who got hacked. Look up on hacker news. What makes you think EA is so secure? You wrote their firewall?

So are we supposed to be terrified of every company everywhere? Am I not allowed to give my infor to anyone? This is why I have said repeatedly, give me one example of EA messing up. Sony did. That's a very clear example that I agree with one hundred percent. But you can't just apply that the every company in the world, or I'd have to go back to shopping for everything at brick and mortar stores.

[Incognito JC]

izmirtheastarach:

anzolino wrote...

Does anyone know if this is solved: Logged in to another user, pretty unsecure...?

So secure now, is it?

[casadechrisso]

Steam was hacked recently too. The Rift servers got hacked. More examples? The Bioboards got hacked.

Modifié par casadechrisso, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:22 .

[spyderroque]

PDesign wrote...

Saberdark wrote...

@PDesign
That's not proof. Just because they have the right to do something doesn't mean they actually do it.

So Origin checks other files outside the Origin folder afterall! Seems I need to cancel my pre-order:(. I don't want origin to crawl through my files belonging to my tax return as it did in your case.

@Chris: Is this proof enough?

[Ahglock]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...


And as I said yesterday, I'm still not sure what information EA can steal from me that I have not already given them. Name, address, credit card info, etc. They already have all that, and nothing bad has come from it. So what am I supposed to be worried about?

Privacy is rarely about what damge they can do to you.  I am not worried about what they will mine, but I do value my privacy.  

I value my privacy too. That's not really the point. EA has no info from me that dozens of other companies have. There is no real way around that if you want to participate in online commerace.

And if EA had not consistently shown itself to be a bad actor I might go along with it, or if they had a full opt out policy. But that isn't the way it is, they have consistently been bad actors from how they treat employees, to customers, to business practices, and the opt out is just ME3 specific.  So the boilerplate EULA is something I pay attention to, because they are the types to try and abuse it.  

[Wardka]

Alex Arterius wrote...



Never has this been more appropriate.

I'm out.

*salute*

This is also pretty appropriate:

[izmirtheastarach]

Incognito JC wrote...

izmirtheastarach:

anzolino wrote...

Does anyone know if this is solved: Logged in to another user, pretty unsecure...?

So secure now, is it?

Annonymous morons on an internet forum. Great real-world example you have there. Totally verifiable. 

[Incognito JC]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Annonymous morons on an internet forum. Great real-world example you have there. Totally verifiable. 

Made my point. Not my fault you are in denial.

[izmirtheastarach]

Ahglock wrote...

And if EA had not consistently shown itself to be a bad actor I might go along with it, or if they had a full opt out policy. But that isn't the way it is, they have consistently been bad actors from how they treat employees, to customers, to business practices, and the opt out is just ME3 specific.  So the boilerplate EULA is something I pay attention to, because they are the types to try and abuse it.  

I guess I'm just dumb for wanting to wait until someone provides me with evidence that they actually are abusing it in a meaningful way. 

[casadechrisso]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Annonymous morons on an internet forum. Great real-world example you have there. Totally verifiable. 

*points up at examples*

[ArkkAngel007]

Arty The Poopie wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
Just because you think the EULA allows something scary doesn't mean it's actually happening.

Then why the hell did they put it in the EULA?

Because it was a mistake.

It is no longer there and was a grave error of wording on their part.  My belief is that they didn't consult their legal team fully in the forming of the original EULA due to Origin being an incomplete product. 

You must also realize many companies put things in EULAs to cover themselves in case of certain situations.  So if Origin released information on the number of people playing/purchasing ME3 and DLC or the hours they have been playing, they want to be covered in giving that information out to a third party (BioWare is a third party in relationship in Origin).  That was what that section of the EULA meant at the time.

Again, many seem to assume to the severest degree in each direction without looking at the other side or even between the two.  Maybe my experience in law (have had to change career paths several times) gives me insight to what is between the lines despite several years between then and now, but I would think that folks who try to be as knowledgable as possible on something they are installing and/or investing in would actually look beyond assumptions and he said/she saids.

Origin has problems.  And yes, Steam did too and again, yes, Origin should have been programmed to avoid that situation.  But it's not anywhere to the degree of devilry many would like to bang on about.  In any case, DRMs have little use in this day and age.  If DRMs actually worked, we wouldn't have to deal with SOPA and similar laws now being pushed through Congress.

[izmirtheastarach]

Incognito JC wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Annonymous morons on an internet forum. Great real-world example you have there. Totally verifiable. 

Made my point. Not my fault you are in denial.

Your point being that people like you are willing to jump on any bandwagon at all because of a random annonymous post by another person like you? Good point.

Some of us require actually evidence before we get hysterical.

[Killjoy Cutter]

DiegoRaphael wrote...

I dont know if it has been asked...

Dragon Age 2 needed to be online all the time, or the DLCs would not validate and so the game could end up corrupt.

The ME3 DLCs will work the same way? Or is just like the instalation, one time validation and is good to go? I ask this because for some games (and ME is one of them), i like to connect my pc on TV, and doing so, I lose internet connection...

I only had to let DA2 connect to validate the DLC, and blocked it using my firewall the rest of the time. 

There's also an "EA Core Server Process" I never allow to access the internet.

[Alex Arterius]

Wardka wrote...

Alex Arterius wrote...



Never has this been more appropriate.

I'm out.

*salute*

This is also pretty appropriate:

Ha! Well I loled ;D

[Dragoonlordz]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

abaris wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...


And as I said yesterday, I'm still not sure what information EA can steal from me that I have not already given them. Name, address, credit card info, etc. They already have all that, and nothing bad has come from it. So what am I supposed to be worried about?

They can figure you out. Habits, tastes, interests, the lot.

A lot of companies are trying to pull that marketing trick. They're always looking for ways to adress their core audience. If you're comfortable with that, you probably won't have a problem. I'm not, since I'm not interested in getting offers they think might interest me.

As I said yesterday, the only real way to avoid this is to cancel your broadband account. Because the number one company who is doing what you describe is your ISP.

Just like Chrome browser which does it far more than anything else I have ever seen in that regard. The same principle applies, use or do not use.

ME3 product is "ME3 + Origin for the PC", that is the product they are selling, there is no if or buts about it really, just like Chrome use or dont' use in this case buy or don't buy. Your life won't end if do not buy and they won't go bankrupt either. Be honest to yourself and you realise EA will not stop trying to push their own client and in battle of wills between some customers (few hundred or few thousand at most compared with millions who will still buy), EA will not ditch there client. I think people actually know this to be the case but they wish to vent. They might be fine about changing a few words in a EULA but they will never ditch their Origin client as I think everyone knows this.

[Lumikki]

Sundance31us wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
Yep. Steam is exactly the same. So is almost any EULA anywhere.

Steam asks for data mining permission. Origin does not. Like I said, it's a trust thing.

Actually Origin does ask; the EULA is a contract between you and EA/Origin listing the nature of the business relationship you enter into by accepting the contract. If you do not wish to share information, do not accept the contract.

Yes, Origin ask, but if You say NO. You can't play the game. Steam also ask, if you say NO, you can still play the game.

You see any difference here?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Sundance31us wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
Yep. Steam is exactly the same. So is almost any EULA anywhere.

Steam asks for data mining permission. Origin does not. Like I said, it's a trust thing.

Actually Origin does ask; the EULA is a contract between you and EA/Origin listing the nature of the business relationship you enter into by accepting the contract. If you do not wish to share information, do not accept the contract.

And that's why I'm not buying ME3 or any other game that requires Origin.

Never mind that forcing the customer to make that choice is highly onerous, especially on the third installment of a story and character based trilogy.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:28 .

[Incognito JC]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Your point being that people like you are willing to jump on any bandwagon at all because of a random annonymous post by another person like you? Good point.

Some of us require actually evidence before we get hysterical.

If you bothered reading that link, many others reported the same issue. Again, not my fault you are selective on evidence because of your denial.

[izmirtheastarach]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Because it was a mistake.

It is no longer there and was a grave error of wording on their part.  My belief is that they didn't consult their legal team fully in the forming of the original EULA due to Origin being an incomplete product. 

You must also realize many companies put things in EULAs to cover themselves in case of certain situations.  So if Origin released information on the number of people playing/purchasing ME3 and DLC or the hours they have been playing, they want to be covered in giving that information out to a third party (BioWare is a third party in relationship in Origin).  That was what that section of the EULA meant at the time.

Again, many seem to assume to the severest degree in each direction without looking at the other side or even between the two.  Maybe my experience in law (have had to change career paths several times) gives me insight to what is between the lines despite several years between then and now, but I would think that folks who try to be as knowledgable as possible on something they are installing and/or investing in would actually look beyond assumptions and he said/she saids.

Origin has problems.  And yes, Steam did too and again, yes, Origin should have been programmed to avoid that situation.  But it's not anywhere to the degree of devilry many would like to bang on about.  In any case, DRMs have little use in this day and age.  If DRMs actually worked, we wouldn't have to deal with SOPA and similar laws now being pushed through Congress.

Agree with this 100%. Great post. Well thought out.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:32 .

[Ryzaki]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...


And as I said yesterday, I'm still not sure what information EA can steal from me that I have not already given them. Name, address, credit card info, etc. They already have all that, and nothing bad has come from it. So what am I supposed to be worried about?

Privacy is rarely about what damge they can do to you.  I am not worried about what they will mine, but I do value my privacy.  

I value my privacy too. That's not really the point. EA has no info from me that dozens of other companies have. There is no real way around that if you want to participate in online commerace.

Which some people don't participate in.

I buy all my crap from the brick and mortar stores for a reason.

And when I do buy online (which is once in a damn blue moon) I use prepaid gift cards that are a zero loss if stolen .

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:31 .