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[anzolino]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
They are still not forcing you. It is a case of "This is the product we will be supplying which includes x, y and z".

There is no opt in or opt out just like when you buy Skyrim it comes with Steam and Steam must be installed even if play offline mode. Bethesda/Steam gave you no choice there just like EA/Bioware do not here (that is the product they are selling). You have free will and choice to buy or not.

I don't bought Skyrim because of Steam. I'm not willing to use this crap.
I'm willing to buy a DVD, install the game and play the game. Nothing more. There is no need for the data EA/Steam wants. There is no need for a connection to them either.
So they force me to be online and they force me to give them my data. Otherwise I cannot play.
The argument "don't buy the game" is lame as "I have nothing to hide". This is not the point.
They offer a game that I want to play. But now it's not enough to give then my money. Why not? Why I have to use additonal software? Why I have to be online? Why I have to give them my data? I have to use this if I want to play. I don't want to use it because it isn't necessary.
I have free will to choose whether I want to give them my data or not. This won't offered to me and this is what I call forcing.

[Dragoonlordz]

spyderroque wrote...

PDesign wrote...

Saberdark wrote...

@PDesign
That's not proof. Just because they have the right to do something doesn't mean they actually do it.

 -snip-

So Origin checks other files outside the Origin folder afterall! Seems I need to cancel my pre-order:(. I don't want origin to crawl through my files belonging to my tax return as it did in your case.

@Chris: Is this proof enough?

Nope not really, from what peope who have tested it recently say it does not do that anymore. Proof would be that it still does it which relying on an old client screenshot that is months old will not. They will not ditch Origin as a goal but they may adapt it over time just like Steam did, it has already been adapted in that it according to those who have recently tested it does not do what it is you showed.

[Ahglock]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

And if EA had not consistently shown itself to be a bad actor I might go along with it, or if they had a full opt out policy. But that isn't the way it is, they have consistently been bad actors from how they treat employees, to customers, to business practices, and the opt out is just ME3 specific.  So the boilerplate EULA is something I pay attention to, because they are the types to try and abuse it.  

I guess I'm just dumb for wanting to wait until someone provides me with evidence that they actually are abusing it in a meaningful way. 

It, would be hard to prove since It pretty much just started.  But I do judge a company by their past actions.  And by the way if I somehow implied it I did not intend to come across in a way that I thought you were dumb for your beleifs.  We all have different thresholds of trust I am not claiming mine is right, just right for me.  

[izmirtheastarach]

Incognito JC wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Your point being that people like you are willing to jump on any bandwagon at all because of a random annonymous post by another person like you? Good point.

Some of us require actually evidence before we get hysterical.

If you bothered reading that link, many others reported the same issue. Again, not my fault you are selective on evidence because of your denial.

Come on..really? You are just being childish now. Surely you can see the difference between a forum thread full of annonymous users and the Sony story that I used as the counterpoint. A story that was practically front-page news and that Sony finally had to admit to publically. I find it hard to believe that you can't see the difference.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:30 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Then why the hell did they put it in the EULA?

Because it was a mistake.

Sad laugh at anyone who actually believes that.

[ArkkAngel007]

spyderroque wrote...

PDesign wrote...

Saberdark wrote...

@PDesign
That's not proof. Just because they have the right to do something doesn't mean they actually do it.

So Origin checks other files outside the Origin folder afterall! Seems I need to cancel my pre-order:(. I don't want origin to crawl through my files belonging to my tax return as it did in your case.

@Chris: Is this proof enough?

Um, buddy, this is old.  I really wish people would stop putting up outdated information and present it as current.  That is why you need to maybe read on a bit further.   Origin, after tests done by myself and others the past evening, no longer seems to venture out to scan elsewhere unless cetain hardware/software is introduced, but any alterations don't seem to have an effect.

Sorry if this was confusing.  Hold on to the preorder for now and keep your eye out.  If anything major happens, then feel free to let that preorder go.

[izmirtheastarach]

Ahglock wrote...

It, would be hard to prove since It pretty much just started.  But I do judge a company by their past actions.  And by the way if I somehow implied it I did not intend to come across in a way that I thought you were dumb for your beleifs.  We all have different thresholds of trust I am not claiming mine is right, just right for me.  

A polite difference of opinion. Very good sir.

[Arty The Poopie]

Kind of a shame that I won't be playing ME3 now, especially considering I've been playing Bioware games since Kotor. I guess that's what a horrid publisher does to you. To echo a previous poster, "I'm out".

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

spyderroque wrote...
So Origin checks other files outside the Origin folder afterall! Seems I need to cancel my pre-order:(. I don't want origin to crawl through my files belonging to my tax return as it did in your case.

@Chris: Is this proof enough?

Nope not really, from what peope who have tested it recently say it does not do that anymore.

So what? 

It can, it has, they wanted it to, and they'll revert as soon as they think no one is looking.

[Dragoonlordz]

anzolino wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
They are still not forcing you. It is a case of "This is the product we will be supplying which includes x, y and z".

There is no opt in or opt out just like when you buy Skyrim it comes with Steam and Steam must be installed even if play offline mode. Bethesda/Steam gave you no choice there just like EA/Bioware do not here (that is the product they are selling). You have free will and choice to buy or not.

I don't bought Skyrim because of Steam. I'm not willing to use this crap.
I'm willing to buy a DVD, install the game and play the game. Nothing more. There is no need for the data EA/Steam wants. There is no need for a connection to them either.
So they force me to be online and they force me to give them my data. Otherwise I cannot play.
The argument "don't buy the game" is lame as "I have nothing to hide". This is not the point.
They offer a game that I want to play. But now it's not enough to give then my money. Why not? Why I have to use additonal software? Why I have to be online? Why I have to give them my data? I have to use this if I want to play. I don't want to use it because it isn't necessary.
I have free will to choose whether I want to give them my data or not. This won't offered to me and this is what I call forcing.

And I may have a Ferrari for sale that costs £200,000. You may like Ferrari's and would love to buy one however you may not want to pay that much or say you don't like the colour but thats the only colour it comes in doesnt mean I am forcing you to do anything. It is the same principle your using here. You want something they have to do what you want, no they don't ME3 on PC includes Origin that is the product just like my car would cost you £200k or only comes in red. If you do not like the colour or do not wish to pay that much you have the freedom to buy a different car, someone else will buy mine in your place the way it is advertised. Just like millions of people will buy in your place ME3 as advertised.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:37 .

[Incognito JC]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Come on..really? You are just being childish now. Surely you can see the difference between a forum thread full of annonymous users and the Sony story that I used as the counterpoint. A story that was practically front-page news and that Sony finally had to admit to publically. I find it hard to believe that you can't see the difference.

You lost all credibility when you denied whatever evidence that isn't a convenience to you. Major hacking all over and those posts on EA's forums are just what I can grab in s short amount of time. Stop denying. If you think you are safe, good for you. I just prefer not to cry over spilt milk.

[izmirtheastarach]

Ryzaki wrote...

Which some people don't participate in.

I buy all my crap from the brick and mortar stores for a reason.

And when I do buy online (which is once in a damn blue moon) I use prepaid gift cards that are a zero loss if stolen .

That sounds horrible. Do you live in a country where credit card purchases are not insured in some way? 

[anzolino]

izmirtheastarach wrote...
Annonymous morons on an internet forum. Great real-world example you have there. Totally verifiable.

You missed the DICE Global Battlefield Community Manager. I don't think he's a moron.

[Killjoy Cutter]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Um, buddy, this is old.  I really wish people would stop putting up outdated information and present it as current.  That is why you need to maybe read on a bit further.   Origin, after tests done by myself and others the past evening, no longer seems to venture out to scan elsewhere unless cetain hardware/software is introduced, but any alterations don't seem to have an effect.

Sorry if this was confusing.  Hold on to the preorder for now and keep your eye out.  If anything major happens, then feel free to let that preorder go.

So what if it doesn't scan outside a few folders right now? 

It can, it has, EA wanted it to, and they'll revert it to doing so again in the future as soon as they think no one is listening. 


CANCEL your pre-order, and don't buy until the Origin requirement is removed. 

STOP listening to people who think that a game is more important than privacy, security, and principle. 

[ArkkAngel007]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Then why the hell did they put it in the EULA?

Because it was a mistake.

Sad laugh at anyone who actually believes that.

Wow, way to take one line without reading any further just to make your point.

Go back and read.  There is a reason it was taken out and replaced.  If you can't believe that then I think you have no business agreeing to any form of legal documentation until you learn more about why companies have to put those in there.

I'm not defending EA, nor the program in question.  But I do want people to do more than just repeat what they hear and refuse to look any further into the issue.

[izmirtheastarach]

Incognito JC wrote...


You lost all credibility when you denied whatever evidence that isn't a convenience to you. Major hacking all over and those posts on EA's forums are just what I can grab in s short amount of time. Stop denying. If you think you are safe, good for you. I just prefer not to cry over spilt milk.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. I think you lost all credibility when you failed to produce a single piece of real evidence. But whatever. Since we are, as I pointed out, totally anonnymous users here, none of us really have any credibility.

Back to the topic at hand.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Ryzaki wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

And as I said yesterday, I'm still not sure what information EA can steal from me that I have not already given them. Name, address, credit card info, etc. They already have all that, and nothing bad has come from it. So what am I supposed to be worried about?

Privacy is rarely about what damge they can do to you.  I am not worried about what they will mine, but I do value my privacy.  

I value my privacy too. That's not really the point. EA has no info from me that dozens of other companies have. There is no real way around that if you want to participate in online commerace.

Which some people don't participate in.

I buy all my crap from the brick and mortar stores for a reason.

And when I do buy online (which is once in a damn blue moon) I use prepaid gift cards that are a zero loss if stolen .

Depends on the online commerce as well. 

Most online retailers don't demand full access to your computer's hard drive as a condition of using the products you order.

[Incognito JC]

anzolino wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
Annonymous morons on an internet forum. Great real-world example you have there. Totally verifiable.

You missed the DICE Global Battlefield Community Manager. I don't think he's a moron.

Don't bother. He's in denial. If anything do happen, it's his loss.

[Ryzaki]

izmirtheastarach wrote...
That sounds horrible. Do you live in a country where credit card purchases are not insured in some way? 

Nope I just don't want to jump through the damn hoops (my mom [grandmother technically but I call her mom. Whatever] had her number stolen and she ended up having to pay them about 5 grand). No thanks. Just easier to buy a cheap gift card for the exact price of the item I want, buy said item and then not give a damn if someone gets the number because there's nothing on the card to steal.

Plus I live like 5 minutes away from the mall so going to brick and mortar isn't even an issue and is vastly preferable because I can get the item faster and in guaranteed decent condition. (or if it doesn't work I only have to turn right back around and bring it back and not have to deal with S&H headaches).

So yes EA forcing a DD client on me (yet ANOTHER one) is goddamned annoying because I don't buy online if I can help it.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:38 .

[Pixieking]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

All companies should face strong competition for my money. That is the only thing that will keep them honest.

I totally agree.

Can you tell me where else I can buy Mass Effect/Dragon Age DLC, other than the BioWare Store?

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Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:37 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Incognito JC wrote...

anzolino wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
Annonymous morons on an internet forum. Great real-world example you have there. Totally verifiable.

You missed the DICE Global Battlefield Community Manager. I don't think he's a moron.

Don't bother. He's in denial. If anything do happen, it's his loss.

You're hilariously arrogant. Because I have a different opinion than you, I must be in denial. What a wonderful worldview. Good luck with that.

[Incognito JC]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. I think you lost all credibility when you failed to produce a single piece of real evidence.

Alright, please produce evidence that EA is safe then. Hackers will never and cannot hack into EA. Do this your way. Convince me.

Modifié par Incognito JC, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:39 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Then why the hell did they put it in the EULA?

Because it was a mistake.

Sad laugh at anyone who actually believes that.

Wow, way to take one line without reading any further just to make your point.

Go back and read.  There is a reason it was taken out and replaced.  If you can't believe that then I think you have no business agreeing to any form of legal documentation until you learn more about why companies have to put those in there.

I'm not defending EA, nor the program in question.  But I do want people to do more than just repeat what they hear and refuse to look any further into the issue.

It was not a mistake.  They did not put that clause in the EULA in error, and they did not set up Origin to pry into the bowels of customers' computers in error.  The old EULA and the documented behavior of Origin and its installer make it clear that it was intentional and deliberate. 

[Lyogron]

No purchase.

[abaris]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

As I said yesterday, the only real way to avoid this is to cancel your broadband account. Because the number one company who is doing what you describe is your ISP.

Different countries, different laws. Mine's not allowed to by national and EU law.

Facebook, google (the so called premium versions anyway), yahoo and many others make a living of doing it.