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[Incognito JC]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

You're hilariously arrogant. Because I have a different opinion than you, I must be in denial. What a wonderful worldview. Good luck with that.

Yeah, way to get back at me just to ignore his post out of convenience.

[izmirtheastarach]

Ryzaki wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
That sounds horrible. Do you live in a country where credit card purchases are not insured in some way? 

Nope I just don't want to jump through the damn hoops (my mom [grandmother technically but I call her mom. Whatever] had her number stolen and she ended up having to pay them about 5 grand). No thanks. Just easier to buy a cheap gift card for the exact price of the item I want, buy said item and then not give a damn if someone gets the number because there's nothing on the card to steal.

Plus I live like 5 minutes away from the mall so going to brick and mortar isn't even an issue and is vastly preferable because I can get the item faster and in guaranteed decent condition. (or if it doesn't work I only have to turn right back around and bring it back and not have to deal with S&H headaches).

If that happened then you must live in a country like that. My wife has had her card stolen twice. Both times by a retail outlet, in fact. Neither time have we ever had to pay a cent. Good legislation is good.

[Pixieking]

casadechrisso wrote...

Steam was hacked recently too. The Rift servers got hacked. More examples? The Bioboards got hacked.

*cough* Steam forums got hacked. The forums are entirely separate from the actual client.

[Sundance31us]

EULAs and Other Disclosures http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas

This is the one listed under "Mass Effect 2 - Package"

ELECTRONIC ARTS SOFTWARE END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT MASS EFFECT 2

3. Consent to Use of Data.

When you play this game offline, EA and its affiliates may collect and store non-personally identifiable data including your Internet Protocol Address as well as game play and software usage statistics. If and when you access online features and/or services, this data may be transmitted to EA. EA may use this information to improve our products and services and may share anonymous aggregate data with third parties.

To facilitate Technical Protection Measures, the provision of software updates, any dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online play, you agree that EA and its affiliates may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including an Internet Protocol Address and hardware identification), operating system and application software and peripheral hardware. EA and its affiliates may also share anonymous aggregate data with our third party service providers.

Other types of data collected as well as how data is collected, used, stored and transmitted is set forth in EA’s Privacy Policy located at http://privacy.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with the terms of EA’s Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control.

ELECTRONIC ARTS SOFTWARE END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR ORIGIN™ APPLICATION AND RELATED SERVICES (FORMERLY CALLED “THE EA DOWNLOAD MANAGER”)

2.  Consent to Collection and Use of Data.  

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly.  Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights.

In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects non-personally identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as communicating with you.  The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.  As noted above, this information is gathered periodically for purposes such as improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs, and otherwise enhancing your user experience.

This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA’s Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com.  To the extent that anything in this section conflicts or is inconsistent with the terms of EA’s Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control.

In the very least those of us with game icons below our avatar have accepted the upper EULA part quoted above when we first downloaded and used our game(s); that EULA clearly states, "If and when you access online features and/or services, this data may be transmitted to EA."

We're already sharing the data with EA; even if you buy the game via Steam you are still subject to the same "Consent to Use of Data" clause.

Edit: Fixed quote box.

Modifié par Sundance31us, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:40 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Incognito JC wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

You're hilariously arrogant. Because I have a different opinion than you, I must be in denial. What a wonderful worldview. Good luck with that.

Yeah, way to get back at me just to ignore his post out of convenience.

Did I need to respond to him pointing back at the exact same thread? 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Emoking wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

Steam was hacked recently too. The Rift servers got hacked. More examples? The Bioboards got hacked.

*cough* Steam forums got hacked. The forums are entirely separate from the actual client.

Are you certain it's the same with Origin?

[Incognito JC]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Did I need to respond to him pointing back at the exact same thread? 

You mentioned everyone on that thread is a moron. There is a staff member in that thread acknowledging it to be a real issue. Way to not be in denial

Again, read my other post, produce evidence, convince me otherwise. If not, what you said applies all the same to you.

[anzolino]

@ Dragoonlordz
LOL, you know there are grey Ferrari's because the customer want's it in this colour?
You don't get it, do you? It's against the law in my country to force me to a non voluntary choice regarding personally data. Why do you think our data protectors were contacted EA?
A car colour has nothing to do with it. But I have a better car than Ferrari in the right colour. Thanks for asking. Ahh, and I could decide what colour and what interior it's should be. All my decisions. Bad example.

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

[....]

Just like Chrome browser which does it far more than anything else I have ever seen in that regard. The same principle applies, use or do not use.

ME3 product is "ME3 + Origin for the PC", that is the product they are selling, there is no if or buts about it really, just like Chrome use or dont' use in this case buy or don't buy. Your life won't end if do not buy and they won't go bankrupt either. Be honest to yourself and you realise EA will not stop trying to push their own client and in battle of wills between some customers (few hundred or few thousand at most compared with millions who will still buy), EA will not ditch there client. I think people actually know this to be the case but they wish to vent. They might be fine about changing a few words in a EULA but they will never ditch their Origin client as I think everyone knows this.

Great thing there's ChromIUM, right?! Now where's ME3 light without Origin?

It's funny, the more posts I read on here, the more threads I had looks at, it appears to me that certain usernames show up again and again speaking in defense of Origin.
Well, do they really WANT to get Origin and all the candy that apparently to them comes with it, would they regard it as a loss if there was no Origin any more or do these recurring users (usernames) have different motifs? <_<

[ArkkAngel007]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Um, buddy, this is old.  I really wish people would stop putting up outdated information and present it as current.  That is why you need to maybe read on a bit further.   Origin, after tests done by myself and others the past evening, no longer seems to venture out to scan elsewhere unless cetain hardware/software is introduced, but any alterations don't seem to have an effect.

Sorry if this was confusing.  Hold on to the preorder for now and keep your eye out.  If anything major happens, then feel free to let that preorder go.

So what if it doesn't scan outside a few folders right now? 

It can, it has, EA wanted it to, and they'll revert it to doing so again in the future as soon as they think no one is listening. 


CANCEL your pre-order, and don't buy until the Origin requirement is removed. 

STOP listening to people who think that a game is more important than privacy, security, and principle. 

If that's what you believe, go ahead, but don't tell people to ignore anything other than a very narrow view. 

And that had nothing to do with the game except giving him/her the advice to hold off until there is an issue.  Your privacy is not being violated anymore than what it is with any anti-virus program,  probably even less so.  Your security would be no more violated than having Steam.  And by what principle?  There are bugs.  There are issues.  But that comes with programming and until things like this are set out in the wild, it's difficult to ascertain all the issues that will be presented.

EA won't "revert" to it again.  It would harm their business and violate their EULA, whether it is this one or a future one, it doesn't matter.  Changing it to directly violate the past one, as long as you don't agree to the new changed version (if they were to) would allow them to be pursued by legal action.  They know they are the underdog in this competition right now and that anyone would love an excuse to bring it down.

[OMEGAlomaniac]

No purchase from me. Mass Effect 1 will remain one of my favourite games of all time, but if I can not play the third game without a DRM like Origin, I will NOT be playing it at all.

[izmirtheastarach]

Incognito JC wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Did I need to respond to him pointing back at the exact same thread? 

You mentioned everyone on that thread is a moron. There is a staff member in that thread acknowledging it to be a real issue. Way to not be in denial

Again, read my other post, produce evidence, convince me otherwise. If not, what you said applies all the same to you.

It certainly does. Except in real, publicized cases like the Sony. Hack. Anyways, you and I are getting nowhere. I acknowledge your right to have your own opinion. Can we stop now?

[Eowaril]

tbh I just want to know if i can import my me2 saves from my steam copy to me3 if its on origin instead of steam. I'm assuming it won't be a problem, but I also worry that either valve/ea might decide to make it difficult for us.

[Incognito JC]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

You are a very rational person, I respect you for that. However, what we're trying to do here is at least get our concerns across and have them make Origin optional, not remove it entirely.

[izmirtheastarach]

Incognito JC wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

You are a very rational person, I respect you for that. However, what we're trying to do here is at least get our concerns across and have them make Origin optional, not remove it entirely.

That is where we are all back on track together. If there was an option, I certainly would prefer a situation where, when I run my game, my game runs. No other software needed. Somehow that worked for 20 years, don't see why it still can't.

[Incognito JC]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

It certainly does. Except in real, publicized cases like the Sony. Hack. Anyways, you and I are getting nowhere. I acknowledge your right to have your own opinion. Can we stop now?

Yes, we really need to stop. I'm getting tired. A friendly advice. Do not be a dick and post sarcastic rethorical questions as a reply to what people post. Instead, write a rational sentence or two to get your point across.

[anzolino]

izmirtheastarach wrote...
You're hilariously arrogant. Because I have a different opinion than you, I must be in denial. What a wonderful worldview. Good luck with that.

Oh, come on, you're calling pseudonyms like us (including you) morons because of what?
It's a little bit more than a different opinion. Don't you think?

So please let us calm down here and be reasonable.

[izmirtheastarach]

Eowaril wrote...

tbh I just want to know if i can import my me2 saves from my steam copy to me3 if its on origin instead of steam. I'm assuming it won't be a problem, but I also worry that either valve/ea might decide to make it difficult for us.

Since the files you import from are just simple save files located in your saves folder, I think you will be fine.

[ArkkAngel007]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Emoking wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

Steam was hacked recently too. The Rift servers got hacked. More examples? The Bioboards got hacked.

*cough* Steam forums got hacked. The forums are entirely separate from the actual client.

Are you certain it's the same with Origin?

The clients are not separate.  Your account is your account.  If one gets hacked, so does the other as they use the same information.

My brother suffered a brute force hack on Steam (his fault for having a simple password but I digress) several years back.  Eventually (after quite a fiasco with the Steam customer sevice), we were able to straighten it out, but he lost access to his games and the community features, including the forum.

They may not be tied so closely now, but it has happened.  So just be aware that the forums and clients have a lot of connections to eachother.

Edit: Yes, amazingly, I'm agreeing with Killjoy on this.  I understand his/her passion on the issue and there are points we agree on. 

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:49 .

[SnakeStrike8]

Incognito JC wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. I think you lost all credibility when you failed to produce a single piece of real evidence.

Alright, please produce evidence that EA is safe then. Hackers will never and cannot hack into EA. Do this your way. Convince me.

You really need to stop insisting that EA's servers are going to be hacked by someone, somewhere.
The servers in your bank aren't immune to being hacked either, are they? What happens when a hacker gets into your bank's computers and sweeps out all your money? Will you now close all your bank accounts just because someone might hack your account through your bank?
What if a hacker gets into the State Department computer that has your tax declarations and gets them? Are you now going to stop filing your tax returns because someone might hack the State Department?
I can't prove that EA's servers cannot be hacked, but I can't prove that my bank isn't going to get hacked either. All I can do is assume that it'll be difficult to hack either target, because both corporations have an interest in protecting client information, and hire full-time electronic security specialists to prevent it.

[izmirtheastarach]

Incognito JC wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

It certainly does. Except in real, publicized cases like the Sony. Hack. Anyways, you and I are getting nowhere. I acknowledge your right to have your own opinion. Can we stop now?

Yes, we really need to stop. I'm getting tired. A friendly advice. Do not be a dick and post sarcastic rethorical questions as a reply to what people post. Instead, write a rational sentence or two to get your point across.

Always have to have the last word, eh? Well good for you. I'm a bad guy for some sarcasm, but you're fine calling my a profane name. Very nice.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:51 .

[Pixieking]

Arty The Poopie wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...


4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
No because EA is a terrible publisher.

Fixed that for you.

Made me smile. Thanks.

[izmirtheastarach]

anzolino wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
You're hilariously arrogant. Because I have a different opinion than you, I must be in denial. What a wonderful worldview. Good luck with that.

Oh, come on, you're calling pseudonyms like us (including you) morons because of what?
It's a little bit more than a different opinion. Don't you think?

So please let us calm down here and be reasonable.

I do want to clarify that I didn't call either you or anyone else here a moron. That particular hyperbole was aimed at another place entirely. No morons here.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Sundance31us wrote...

EULAs and Other Disclosures http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas

This is the one listed under "Mass Effect 2 - Package"

ELECTRONIC ARTS SOFTWARE END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT MASS EFFECT 2

3. Consent to Use of Data.

When you play this game offline, EA and its affiliates may collect and store non-personally identifiable data including your Internet Protocol Address as well as game play and software usage statistics. If and when you access online features and/or services, this data may be transmitted to EA. EA may use this information to improve our products and services and may share anonymous aggregate data with third parties.

To facilitate Technical Protection Measures, the provision of software updates, any dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online play, you agree that EA and its affiliates may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including an Internet Protocol Address and hardware identification), operating system and application software and peripheral hardware. EA and its affiliates may also share anonymous aggregate data with our third party service providers.

Other types of data collected as well as how data is collected, used, stored and transmitted is set forth in EA’s Privacy Policy located at http://privacy.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with the terms of EA’s Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control.

ELECTRONIC ARTS SOFTWARE END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR ORIGIN™ APPLICATION AND RELATED SERVICES (FORMERLY CALLED “THE EA DOWNLOAD MANAGER”)

2.  Consent to Collection and Use of Data.  

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly.  Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights.

In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects non-personally identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as communicating with you.  The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.  As noted above, this information is gathered periodically for purposes such as improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs, and otherwise enhancing your user experience.

This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA’s Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com.  To the extent that anything in this section conflicts or is inconsistent with the terms of EA’s Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control.

In the very least those of us with game icons below our avatar have accepted the upper EULA part quoted above when we first downloaded and used our game(s); that EULA clearly states, "If and when you access online features and/or services, this data may be transmitted to EA."

We're already sharing the data with EA; even if you buy the game via Steam you are still subject to the same "Consent to Use of Data" clause.

Edit: Fixed quote box.

Which is why I don't allow the games  through my firewall more than absolutely necessary (validating DLC), don;t let "EA Core Service" through at all, opt out of the data collection as much as possible, etc.