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Dovahzaan wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection?
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.
Is this really necessary? And can you please sticky this thread again. It's a much more important information than pre order bonuses.
ChookAttack wrote...
Dragoonlordz wrote...
ChookAttack wrote...
Secondly, as long as every EULA I have read reserves the right for the licensor to alter the agreement unilaterally at any time, nothing they write or change is any more binding than a letter to Santa Claus
Look at and read any EULA even on any retail games including ones that do not use clients, the same clause exists for all.
Which is what I said.
/start rant/
I have never posted or given my real name, age, DOB, location or any type of personal information on the internet. I dont tweet or skype. I don't have a facebook account, myspace account or google account. I've given credit card information once, and only a single use, pre-paid card. I am signed into two forums, this being one of them. The only internet access I have is through a pre-paid account that I recharge using over the counter vouchers that require no credit card details. I have no interest in entering the cyber community. I have no desire to share ANY information with ANY company or individual on the internet. All I want is to play a single player game in the privacy of my own home without being blackmailed into handing over information. I don't care if that information is limited to finding out my time zone. You can't have it.
If this was about playing a multi-player, online game then I would be accepting the risks involved by the fact that by it's very nature I am required to share information. But this is not a multi-player, online game. This is a single player game, played in the privacy of my home. You do not need ANY information, either about me or about my computer. Any information that the game requires in order to install and run properly can be queried by the executable locally as has been done for decades without having to send any data to any company or individual.
I do not want my single player game held hostage to a game client, be it Steam, Origin or any other client. I have no need of a client and refuse to run one in order to play a single player game. I have purchased one Steanworks game and will never do so again. I will never purchase any game that requires the Origin client to run.
You don't agree with me? Too bad. The changes I want in no way affect your ability to use Origin or any other client in any way that you want. Your constant attempt to persuade myself and others that Origin is either a good thing or harmless does interfere with my attempt to NOT use Origin. The more people that ignore the issues with Origin, Steam and the industry wide bull**** that is EULAs, the longer it takes for me to be able to enjoy the games I want in the manner I want. If you have no problem with Origin, why do you care? Why do you feel the need to convince me you are right?
/end rant
SnakeStrike8 wrote...
You really need to stop insisting that EA's servers are going to be hacked by someone, somewhere.
The servers in your bank aren't immune to being hacked either, are they? What happens when a hacker gets into your bank's computers and sweeps out all your money? Will you now close all your bank accounts just because someone might hack your account through your bank?
What if a hacker gets into the State Department computer that has your tax declarations and gets them? Are you now going to stop filing your tax returns because someone might hack the State Department?
I can't prove that EA's servers cannot be hacked, but I can't prove that my bank isn't going to get hacked either. All I can do is assume that it'll be difficult to hack either target, because both corporations have an interest in protecting client information, and hire full-time electronic security specialists to prevent it.
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Which is why I don't allow the games through my firewall more than absolutely necessary (validating DLC), don;t let "EA Core Service" through at all, opt out of the data collection as much as possible, etc.
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Um, buddy, this is old. I really wish people would stop putting up outdated information and present it as current. That is why you need to maybe read on a bit further. Origin, after tests done by myself and others the past evening, no longer seems to venture out to scan elsewhere unless cetain hardware/software is introduced, but any alterations don't seem to have an effect.
Sorry if this was confusing. Hold on to the preorder for now and keep your eye out. If anything major happens, then feel free to let that preorder go.
So what if it doesn't scan outside a few folders right now?
It can, it has, EA wanted it to, and they'll revert it to doing so again in the future as soon as they think no one is listening.
CANCEL your pre-order, and don't buy until the Origin requirement is removed.
STOP listening to people who think that a game is more important than privacy, security, and principle.
If that's what you believe, go ahead, but don't tell people to ignore anything other than a very narrow view.
And that had nothing to do with the game except giving him/her the advice to hold off until there is an issue. Your privacy is not being violated anymore than what it is with any anti-virus program, probably even less so. Your security would be no more violated than having Steam. And by what principle? There are bugs. There are issues. But that comes with programming and until things like this are set out in the wild, it's difficult to ascertain all the issues that will be presented.
EA won't "revert" to it again. It would harm their business and violate their EULA, whether it is this one or a future one, it doesn't matter. Changing it to directly violate the past one, as long as you don't agree to the new changed version (if they were to) would allow them to be pursued by legal action. They know they are the underdog in this competition right now and that anyone would love an excuse to bring it down.
izmirtheastarach wrote...
If that happened then you must live in a country like that. My wife has had her card stolen twice. Both times by a retail outlet, in fact. Neither time have we ever had to pay a cent. Good legislation is good.
Ryzaki wrote...
izmirtheastarach wrote...
If that happened then you must live in a country like that. My wife has had her card stolen twice. Both times by a retail outlet, in fact. Neither time have we ever had to pay a cent. Good legislation is good.
Either way. I don't use DD services so I don't feel my comp should be filled with unnecessary bloatware. Especially not when I buy a physical boxed copy.
Sundance31us wrote...
Actually Origin does ask; the EULA is a contract between you and EA/Origin listing the nature of the business relationship you enter into by accepting the contract. If you do not wish to share information, do not accept the contract.Incognito JC wrote...
Steam asks for data mining permission. Origin does not. Like I said, it's a trust thing.izmirtheastarach wrote...
Yep. Steam is exactly the same. So is almost any EULA anywhere.
Ryzaki wrote...
izmirtheastarach wrote...
If that happened then you must live in a country like that. My wife has had her card stolen twice. Both times by a retail outlet, in fact. Neither time have we ever had to pay a cent. Good legislation is good.
Either way. I don't use DD services so I don't feel my comp should be filled with unnecessary bloatware. Especially not when I buy a physical boxed copy.
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
izmirtheastarach wrote...
If that happened then you must live in a country like that. My wife has had her card stolen twice. Both times by a retail outlet, in fact. Neither time have we ever had to pay a cent. Good legislation is good.
Either way. I don't use DD services so I don't feel my comp should be filled with unnecessary bloatware. Especially not when I buy a physical boxed copy.
Same here.
And if I don't use DD, why should I install Origin? What good does it do me? What would it provide me in exchange for the disk space and hassle?
It's weekend, didn't you get the memo?Zannana wrote...
Why has Chris disappeared? We are still waiting to find out if Origin can be uninstalled after authentication.
Ryzaki wrote...
izmirtheastarach wrote...
If that happened then you must live in a country like that. My wife has had her card stolen twice. Both times by a retail outlet, in fact. Neither time have we ever had to pay a cent. Good legislation is good.
Either way. I don't use DD services so I don't feel my comp should be filled with unnecessary bloatware. Especially not when I buy a physical boxed copy.
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Mclouvins wrote...
Sounds like you should pick up a console then or find a new hobby, as everything else moves into the cyber age games are as well. To borrow a line from Harbinger, you are a grain of sand standing before cosmic winds. Not saying it's right or wrong but to the extent that the digital and cyber age were a compact between people they made the decision for you.
Incognito JC wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
You are a very rational person, I respect you for that. However, what we're trying to do here is at least get our concerns across and have them make Origin optional, not remove it entirely.
Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 15 janvier 2012 - 06:04 .
Emoking wrote...
Which is a fair enough view-point. Nothing to say that EA couldn't use one-time serial activation like SecuRom for the physical release, other than them wanting to force Origin onto people (for whatever reason).
You can't. It's noted in the EULA: Agree or stop using.Pupuppu wrote...
Then please answer me, how I can access games bought at the EA store without these requirements, when I'm not willing to enter into the new contract?
Dovahzaan wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection?
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.
Is this really necessary? And can you please sticky this thread again. It's a much more important information than pre order bonuses.
izmirtheastarach wrote...
Emoking wrote...
Which is a fair enough view-point. Nothing to say that EA couldn't use one-time serial activation like SecuRom for the physical release, other than them wanting to force Origin onto people (for whatever reason).
Unless we get a final answer that you can actually uninstall Origin after the initial activation. Then it's a hassle, but not actually a permenant one.
izmirtheastarach wrote...
Yeah, I don't actually disagree there either. The hysteria and FUD is what bugs me. I'd certainly prefer to be able to install the game without using Origin. EA also makes it really difficult to avoid because of the way they are using Bioware's DLC content to leverage things. There is no way I'd try bypassing Origin, for fear it would mean I'd be unable to use any future DLC properly.
EA is making it harder for us to give money to Bioware, which is odd, because they own them.
Emoking wrote...
You get the pleasure of EA marketing stuff to you!
Oh, wait. Did I say pleasure?
Yes, but this is not a option for MP. What should they do? They are trapped.izmirtheastarach wrote...
Unless we get a final answer that you can actually uninstall Origin after the initial activation. Then it's a hassle, but not actually a permenant one.
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Agreed. Origin should be an option, rather than being a restrictive requirement. We all agree DRMs do not work. As long as there is a way for a game to be reproduced in a factory, there is a way for any of us to reproduce it with the proper knowledge.
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Agreed. Origin should be an option, rather than being a restrictive requirement. We all agree DRMs do not work. As long as there is a way for a game to be reproduced in a factory, there is a way for any of us to reproduce it with the proper knowledge. Piracy may be wrong, but just because these companies and various governments can't nail pirates, Pirate Bay, Frostwire, or any other source of pirated material doesn't mean we as loyal consumers should suffer instead, forcing us to increase piracy activity.
+1Killjoy Cutter wrote...
All I want is for Origin to be entirely optional.
OperativeX wrote...
izmirtheastarach wrote...
Unless we get a final answer that you can actually uninstall Origin after the initial activation. Then it's a hassle, but not actually a permenant one.
Don't count on it.
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