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[Incognito JC]

Zannana wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

If only ME3 followed TOR's example.

The KoA also doesn't require Origin as well

Like someone else mentioned before, these games are not fully owned by EA, so they cannot impose Origin on those titles. Sadly, BW = EA. Really wish that BW staff will help us push to make Origin optional.

[Pixieking]

SimplyNeo wrote...

@Mister Mida / Emoking / Thoth_Amon:

Thanks for the clarifications on where they can be downloaded and how they are published.  However, that does not change the fact that I would still like to have seen them on Origin.  Interestingly, I could still purchase KOTOR I & II at retail stores.

Yeah, because the discs were pressed ages ago, and places like Amazon are selling the stock that they've had for ages.

[Zannana]

Ryzaki wrote...

Group Made.

If someone could make a banner it'd be appreciated.

If you care, join and promote this group!
I did!

[Incognito JC]

Ryzaki wrote...

Group Made.

If someone could make a banner it'd be appreciated.

Any banner ideas? My photoshop is already open.

[Finwik]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Well, can I just shutdown the Origin startup processes using CCleaner, deactivate my network card whenever I want to play to go offline, then play? Afterward I would manually go and shutdown Origin before reactivating my network card. That way, Origin would never be able to send my information to EA.

We shouldn't HAVE to. It's sad that such loyal players have to resort to this kind of crap. But the truth is, if you give them money, then they've won. We shouldn't give in at all on this or we're encouraging it.

[Pixieking]

Ryzaki wrote...

Group Made.

If someone could make a banner it'd be appreciated.

Nice one!

[CroGamer002]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

I'm betting this can be broken down into several catagories

1. Genuine concern over the EULA.  Most rational reason which many here seem to be a part of.

2. Spyware scare.  Proof has been shown that this is no longer an issue and that it's no more intrusive than Steam.

Why on earth would anyone who has been paying attention believe for a moment that the spyware issue is over?

Yes.




I got no reason to fear it more then with Steam.

[TheJiveDJ]

anzolino wrote...

@ Dragoonlordz
LOL, you know there are grey Ferrari's because the customer want's it in this colour?
You don't get it, do you? It's against the law in my country to force me to a non voluntary choice regarding personally data. Why do you think our data protectors were contacted EA?
A car colour has nothing to do with it. But I have a better car than Ferrari in the right colour. Thanks for asking. Ahh, and I could decide what colour and what interior it's should be. All my decisions. Bad example.

Poor example on Dragoonlordz part; allow me to fix it.  I'm selling a Ferrari but before I sell it to you I require you to sign a contract which allows me to wirelessly moniter when and where you are driving the vehicle.  Also, I can sneak into your vehicle at anytime and snoop around for information which could help improve my customer service; this info may also be shared with a third party.  No harm right?  Put your hand up if you would be ok with this.  

While I'm at it I may snoop around for anything incriminating such as drugs and stolen items.  But hey, just trust me when I say that I won't report any of that to the police.  One more thing, I can without warning deactivate your vehicle and deny you access to it.  Don't like it?  Well then you don't have to buy it, see I'm giving you a choice!  Buy it or don't, but you can't opt out of my data collection if you want to buy this car.  Have fun!

This analogy is a near 1 to 1 comparison to Origin and EA games.

Modifié par TheJiveDJ, 15 janvier 2012 - 06:38 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Guys, come on. Let's be rational here. You're overreacting to this origin thing. If it was really so bad, do you think millions of pc gamers who bought TOR would have? Come on people.
-Polite

I suspect you're being sarcastic, as ToR via retail hardcopy is reportedly Origin-free.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

I'm betting this can be broken down into several catagories

1. Genuine concern over the EULA.  Most rational reason which many here seem to be a part of.

2. Spyware scare.  Proof has been shown that this is no longer an issue and that it's no more intrusive than Steam.

Why on earth would anyone who has been paying attention believe for a moment that the spyware issue is over?

Yes.




I got no reason to fear it more then with Steam.

+1

Modifié par PnXMarcin1PL, 15 janvier 2012 - 06:33 .

[anzolino]

Hmm. We have an "antispy" group too.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

I'm betting this can be broken down into several catagories

1. Genuine concern over the EULA.  Most rational reason which many here seem to be a part of.

2. Spyware scare.  Proof has been shown that this is no longer an issue and that it's no more intrusive than Steam.

Why on earth would anyone who has been paying attention believe for a moment that the spyware issue is over?

Yes.




I got no reason to fear it more then with Steam.

1)  I also don't use Steam, so that's not a defense of Origin.
2)  Past behavior is indicative of future behavior.

[Ryzaki]

Incognito JC wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Group Made.

If someone could make a banner it'd be appreciated.

Any banner ideas? My photoshop is already open.

I'd suggest a cow for the lulz  

But honestly I'm not sure.

[Unit-Alpha]

Well, I currently have the boxed version preordered through Newegg, so why should I have to install Origin along with it? I tried Origin with the BF3 beta and it was slow and ate memory like crazy. After a day or two, I just dumped the entire thing.

[Chavez_Dice]

TheJiveDJ wrote...

anzolino wrote...

@ Dragoonlordz
LOL, you know there are grey Ferrari's because the customer want's it in this colour?
You don't get it, do you? It's against the law in my country to force me to a non voluntary choice regarding personally data. Why do you think our data protectors were contacted EA?
A car colour has nothing to do with it. But I have a better car than Ferrari in the right colour. Thanks for asking. Ahh, and I could decide what colour and what interior it's should be. All my decisions. Bad example.

Poor example on Dragoonlordz part; allow me to fix it.  I'm selling a Ferrari but before I sell it to you I require you to sign a contract which allows me to wirelessly moniter when and where you are driving the vehicle.  Also, I can sneak into your vehicle at anytime and snoop around for information which could help improve my customer service; this info may also be shared with a third party.  No harm right?  Put your hand up if you would be ok with this.  

While I'm at it I may snoop around anything incriminating such as drugs and stolen items.  But hey, just trust me when I say that I won't report any of that to the police.  One more thing, I can without warning deactivate your vehicle and deny you access to it.  Have fun!

This analogy is a near 1 to 1 comparison to Origin and EA games.

And you best not swear while driving your vehicle, because it will be reposessed when you do. Same goes for other drivers, if they mention your name while swearing, your vehicle too will be repossessed.

[MrDbow]

Emoking wrote...

SimplyNeo wrote...

@Mister Mida / Emoking / Thoth_Amon:

Thanks for the clarifications on where they can be downloaded and how they are published.  However, that does not change the fact that I would still like to have seen them on Origin.  Interestingly, I could still purchase KOTOR I & II at retail stores.

Yeah, because the discs were pressed ages ago, and places like Amazon are selling the stock that they've had for ages.

I am surprised both EA and LucasArts did not do some sort of re-release of those games in conjunction with SWTOR coming out.  Actually, maybe not as surprised, but you get the idea.

Anyway, off topic... continue

[OperativeX]

Chris Priestly wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

How about EA stops lying? If Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers, why in the frak is EA the ONLY developer complaining about this? Every other developer doesn't seem to have a problem with Steam.

Could it be that EA wants to compete against Steam? Starve them of some revenue? Hmm i wonder. Well you know what EA? You are frakking retarded.

Steam has 40 million users. Lets think for a minute..

If 5% of those users buy ME3 via Steam thats $2, 000, 000
If Steam takes 10% of that 2m for being EA's distribution agent, EA still earns £1, 800, 000 from Steam sales.

WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU NOT WANT $1, 800, 000 ?!!

And lets not forget, the numbers above are based on only 5% of Steam users buying ME3 on Steam. It may be that i have greatly misjudged how many Steam users would buy the game on that platform. Just think if 10% of Steam users bought the game through Steam. EA would earn $3, 600, 000

WHY WOULD ANYONE NOT WANT $3, 600, 000 ?!!

Origin-exclusivity is a very very bad business model EA. How in the frak can you not see that? You're gambling on the idea that because ppl are not allowed to buy ME3 on any other digital client but Origin that they'll buy it on Origin and you'll get all the revenue. Well you forgot to take into consideration the masses of gamers you pissed off and frakked over in the past 5 years. Your reputation is shot to $#!7.

The most likely result you will find is people either simply NOT buying the game or acquiring it shadily. Do you want that? Or do you want your $3, 600, 000 ?

Modifié par OperativeX, 15 janvier 2012 - 06:35 .

[Pupuppu]

Sundance31us wrote...

Pupuppu wrote...
Then please answer me, how I can access games bought at the EA store without these requirements, when I'm not willing to enter into the new contract?

It doesn't matter where you purchase the game, all EA games have the same clause. If you do not accept the contract, you may not use the software. (see below)

ELECTRONIC ARTS SOFTWARE END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT MASS EFFECT 2
http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas

By installing or using the Software, you agree to the terms of this License and agree to be bound by it. Section 3 below describes the data EA may use to provide services and support to you in connection with the Software. If you do not agree to this use of data, do not install or use the Software. IF YOU INSTALL the Software, the terms and conditions of this License are fully accepted by you. If you do not agree to the terms of this License, then do not install or use the Software.

I bought these games in the EA store many years before they rolled out their Origin EULA that didn't include waiving all my rights. So I chose not to accept their new EULA and you tell me I can't access my games anymore? Well, you are right as this is exactly what their support told me. Accept the new EULA or no access to you purchases.

[Ryzaki]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Guys, come on. Let's be rational here. You're overreacting to this origin thing. If it was really so bad, do you think millions of pc gamers who bought TOR would have? Come on people.
-Polite

I suspect you're being sarcastic, as ToR via retail hardcopy is reportedly Origin-free.

Which is exactly why I'm getting it. That's how it should be. Retail physical box copies shouldn't require a DD client.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 janvier 2012 - 06:35 .

[anzolino]

TheJiveDJ wrote...
Poor example on Dragoonlordz part; allow me to fix it. I'm selling a Ferrari but before I sell it to you I require you to sign a contract which allows me to wirelessly moniter when and where you are driving the vehicle. Also, I can sneak into your vehicle at anytime and snoop around for information which could help improve my customer service; this info may also be shared with a third party. No harm right? Put your hand up if you would be ok with this.

While I'm at it I may snoop around anything incriminating such as drugs and stolen items. But hey, just trust me when I say that I won't report any of that to the police. One more thing, I can without warning deactivate your vehicle and deny you access to it. Have fun!

This analogy is a near 1 to 1 comparison to Origin and EA games.

It is, indeed.

[Dovahzaan]

Incognito JC wrote...

Really wish that BW staff will help us push to make Origin optional.

It would restore faith in my once favorite developer again.

[abaris]

Mesina2 wrote...



I got no reason to fear it more then with Steam.

First, I'm not on steam either.

Second, Origin proved what it can do. And they haven't changed the EULA as of yet. They're leaving the data collection option open. Meaning, they still can reintroduce it at some point in the future.

So, no. The issue isn't over.

[Dragoonlordz]

ChookAttack wrote...

But this is not a multi-player, online game.  This is a single player game, played in the privacy of my home.  You do not need ANY information, either about me or about my computer.  Any information that the game requires in order to install and run properly can be queried by the executable locally as has been done for decades without having to send any data to any company or individual.

ME3 is a multiplayer game and single player game just like Halo or MW3 they all have single player campaigns and modes. That is what adding multiplayer did to the title. It does not make any difference if a lot of people play the multipler part or most people do not if they never added multiplayer it would be more valid. It is now a multipler online game in part because that is part of the game on top of the single player mode.

I have no problems with people buying or not buying even wanting to have option, the posts I generally respond to are the ones talking about piracy, cracks, ones proclaiming that months old data (which is not accurate to what does now) is put forward as going on right now when it is not. Making threats that most won't keep (this one I probably could stop doing but they annoy me as I have seen in past most who do it are lying about it to get a reaction and that bugs the hell out of me because it makes all the ones who are sticking to their threats less credible). 

The only valid evidence they have is that the EULA still says the same as every single other EULA in existance which is they can change the EULA anytime. The fact that Origin will be included with ME3 is factual too, but that won't change and I think everyone realises this. The months old screenshots being thrown around only shows the early version of client did not do what the new one does and that it damaged some peoples trust granted. I take some slight offense to some peoples reactions where they switch from reality to fear mongering though only a few people are doing that in here. The rest of the time I have been responding to when someone asks questions about what Origin does now because I know what it does now, I have it installed and use it. I lastly have been responding to others who hold similar views to my own because it shows they are not alone in thinking that way, yet as always on BSN the anti-anything crowd will jump on those who do not take the same view on subjects like Origin as them so it is nice to let those who share similar views thats others hold the same view.

That is why I post in here.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 06:37 .

[Ryzaki]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Well, I currently have the boxed version preordered through Newegg, so why should I have to install Origin along with it? I tried Origin with the BF3 beta and it was slow and ate memory like crazy. After a day or two, I just dumped the entire thing.

Exactly it's memory hogging bloatware that you're not gonna use.

I don't understand why it's forced with a physical boxed copy.

[Pixieking]

OperativeX wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

How about EA stops lying? If Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers, why in the frak is EA the ONLY developer complaining about this? Every other developer doesn't seem to have a problem with Steam.

Could it be that EA wants to compete against starve them of some revenue? Hmm i wonder. Well you know what EA? You are frakking retarded.

Steam has 40 million users. Lets think for a minute..

If 5% of those users buy ME3 via Steam that $2, 000, 000
If Steam takes 10% of that 2m for being EA's distribution agent, EA still earns £1, 800, 000 from Steam sales.

WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU NOT WANT $1, 800, 000 ?!!

And lets not forget, the numbers above are based on only 5% of Steam users buying ME3 on Steam. It may be that i have greatly misjudged how many Steam users would buy the game on that platform. Just think if 10% of Steam users bought the game through Steam. EA would earn $3, 600, 000

WHY WOULD ANYONE NOT WANT $3, 600, 000 ?!!

Origin-exclusivity is a very very bad business model EA. How in the frak can you not see that? You're gambling on the idea that because ppl are not allowed to buy ME3 on any other digital client but Origin that they'll buy it on Origin and you'll get all the revenue. Well you forgot to take into consideration the masses of gamers you pissed off and frakked over in the past 5 years. Your reputation is shot to $#!7.

The most likely result you will find is people either simply NOT buying the game or acquiring it shadily. Do you want that? Or do you want your $3, 600, 000 ?

I totally agree...

To your bolded question though

1) EA want to sell the DLC exclusively, and rake in money from that.

2) EA think that forcing a competitor to Steam is the same as having a service that's as good as Steam (my opinion, I know, but still)

3) They think people will cave and buy ME3 anyways. Which some will. But others won't.