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[Xaielao]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

I'm betting this can be broken down into several catagories

1. Genuine concern over the EULA.  Most rational reason which many here seem to be a part of.

2. Spyware scare.  Proof has been shown that this is no longer an issue and that it's no more intrusive than Steam.

Why on earth would anyone who has been paying attention believe for a moment that the spyware issue is over?

Yes.




I got no reason to fear it more then with Steam.

+1

It is very well known that steam scans your system only upon your allowing it to do so, as well it only scans your hardware and your steam related folders.

Origin on the other hand, scans the details of your computer, it's software, hardware, and shares that information with 3rd parties without your concent. It is spyware.

[casadechrisso]

Ryzaki wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Group Made.

If someone could make a banner it'd be appreciated.

Any banner ideas? My photoshop is already open.

I'd suggest a cow for the lulz  

But honestly I'm not sure.

Joined too. A simple sign that speaks for itself, crossed out Origin logo or the like would be best, even if it's not as pretty as a nekkid elf in the woods singing an anti-spyware tune... 

[CroGamer002]

OperativeX wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

How about EA stops lying? If Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers, why in the frak is EA the ONLY developer complaining about this? Every other developer doesn't seem to have a problem with Steam.

Could it be that EA wants to compete against Steam? Starve them of some revenue? Hmm i wonder. Well you know what EA? You are frakking retarded.

Steam has 40 million users. Lets think for a minute..

If 5% of those users buy ME3 via Steam thats $2, 000, 000
If Steam takes 10% of that 2m for being EA's distribution agent, EA still earns £1, 800, 000 from Steam sales.

WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU NOT WANT $1, 800, 000 ?!!

And lets not forget, the numbers above are based on only 5% of Steam users buying ME3 on Steam. It may be that i have greatly misjudged how many Steam users would buy the game on that platform. Just think if 10% of Steam users bought the game through Steam. EA would earn $3, 600, 000

WHY WOULD ANYONE NOT WANT $3, 600, 000 ?!!

Origin-exclusivity is a very very bad business model EA. How in the frak can you not see that? You're gambling on the idea that because ppl are not allowed to buy ME3 on any other digital client but Origin that they'll buy it on Origin and you'll get all the revenue. Well you forgot to take into consideration the masses of gamers you pissed off and frakked over in the past 5 years. Your reputation is shot to $#!7.

The most likely result you will find is people either simply NOT buying the game or acquiring it shadily. Do you want that? Or do you want your $3, 600, 000 ?

You know that Minecraft is not on Steam for same reason why EA games released since Dragon Age 2 are not on Steam?

Who says others don't like it?


They probably are, but either not really concerned with PC market or preparing the same thing like EA with Origin before going public with this issue.

[Onychophagia]

1) Will Origin be a requirement to play all versions of Mass Effect 3? (Digital and/or from a retail brick and mortar store)
Yes, Origin is required for all PC editions of Mass Effect 3, physical or digital.

No sale then. I'm not interested in Origin, unless it ditches this lame store and goes back to making great games like Wing Commander and Ultima.

[Zannana]

casadechrisso wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Group Made.

If someone could make a banner it'd be appreciated.

Any banner ideas? My photoshop is already open.

I'd suggest a cow for the lulz  

But honestly I'm not sure.

Joined too. A simple sign that speaks for itself, crossed out Origin logo or the like would be best, even if it's not as pretty as a nekkid elf in the woods singing an anti-spyware tune... 

Good idea! I agree.

[Chavez_Dice]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

ChookAttack wrote...

But this is not a multi-player, online game.  This is a single player game, played in the privacy of my home.  You do not need ANY information, either about me or about my computer.  Any information that the game requires in order to install and run properly can be queried by the executable locally as has been done for decades without having to send any data to any company or individual.

ME3 is a multiplayer game and single player game just like Halo or MW3 they all have single player campaigns and modes. That is what adding multiplayer did to the title. It does not make any difference if a lot of people play the multipler part or most people do not if they never added multiplayer it would be more valid. It is now a multipler online game in part because that is part of the game on top of the single player mode.

I have no problems with people buying or not buying even wanting to have option, the posts I generally respond to are the ones talking about piracy, cracks, ones proclaiming that months old data (which is not accurate to what does now) is put forward as going on right now when it is not. Making threats that most won't keep (this one I probably could stop doing but they annoy me as I have seen in past most who do it are lying about it to get a reaction and that bugs the hell out of me because it makes all the ones who are sticking to their threats less credible). 

The only valid evidence they have is that the EULA still says the same as every single other EULA in existance which is they can change the EULA anytime. The fact that Origin will be included with ME3 is factual too, but that won't change and I think everyone realises this. The months old screenshots being thrown around only shows the early version of client did not do what the new one does and that it damaged some peoples trust granted. I take some slight offense to some peoples reactions where they switch from reality to fear mongering though only a few people are doing that in here. The rest of the time I have been responding to when someone asks questions about what Origin does now because I know what it does now, I have it installed and use it. I lastly have been responding to others who hold similar views to my own because it shows they are not alone in thinking that way, yet as always on BSN the anti-anything crowd will jump on those who do not take the same view on subjects like Origin as them so it is nice to let those who share similar views thats others hold the same view.

That is why I post in here.

You should mention your Origin account name once, wait for someone to take up the offer and mention it in a flame post on the EA forums. 

I guarantee, it get hilarious.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Xaielao wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

I'm betting this can be broken down into several catagories

1. Genuine concern over the EULA.  Most rational reason which many here seem to be a part of.

2. Spyware scare.  Proof has been shown that this is no longer an issue and that it's no more intrusive than Steam.

Why on earth would anyone who has been paying attention believe for a moment that the spyware issue is over?

Yes.




I got no reason to fear it more then with Steam.

+1

It is very well known that steam scans your system only upon your allowing it to do so, as well it only scans your hardware and your steam related folders.

Origin on the other hand, scans the details of your computer, it's software, hardware, and shares that information with 3rd parties without your concent. It is spyware.

****, people are so obsessed now they dont see it doesnt spy anymore, also ihere is an alternative https://profile.ea.com/ disable data collection or remove account.

Modifié par PnXMarcin1PL, 15 janvier 2012 - 06:41 .

[CroGamer002]

Xaielao wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

I'm betting this can be broken down into several catagories

1. Genuine concern over the EULA.  Most rational reason which many here seem to be a part of.

2. Spyware scare.  Proof has been shown that this is no longer an issue and that it's no more intrusive than Steam.

Why on earth would anyone who has been paying attention believe for a moment that the spyware issue is over?

Yes.




I got no reason to fear it more then with Steam.

+1

It is very well known that steam scans your system only upon your allowing it to do so, as well it only scans your hardware and your steam related folders.

Origin on the other hand, scans the details of your computer, it's software, hardware, and shares that information with 3rd parties without your concent. It is spyware.

Are you blind or just ignore my evidence against your outdated complaints do to your irrational hate for EA?

[Maias227]

I have both steam and origin, steam has a larger selection but thats about the only major difference I noticed between the two. Also I am glad to see steam get some health competition which means consumers will end with a better product.

Also really looking forward to play the epic end of the Mass Effect saga!

[OperativeX]

Emoking wrote...

I totally agree...

To your bolded question though

1) EA want to sell the DLC exclusively, and rake in money from that.

2) EA think that forcing a competitor to Steam is the same as having a service that's as good as Steam (my opinion, I know, but still)

3) They think people will cave and buy ME3 anyways. Which some will. But others won't.

It's a gamble they're going to lose. Remember when EA decided it was going to frak over its customers with a restrictive DRM when they were releasing SPORE? Look what happened there - the game was cracked 2 days before release and more people downloaded the cracked version than legit customers who bought the game.

Do they really want that to happen again?

[El Neebre]

Mesina2 wrote...

OperativeX wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

How about EA stops lying? If Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers, why in the frak is EA the ONLY developer complaining about this? Every other developer doesn't seem to have a problem with Steam.

Could it be that EA wants to compete against Steam? Starve them of some revenue? Hmm i wonder. Well you know what EA? You are frakking retarded.

Steam has 40 million users. Lets think for a minute..

If 5% of those users buy ME3 via Steam thats $2, 000, 000
If Steam takes 10% of that 2m for being EA's distribution agent, EA still earns £1, 800, 000 from Steam sales.

WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU NOT WANT $1, 800, 000 ?!!

And lets not forget, the numbers above are based on only 5% of Steam users buying ME3 on Steam. It may be that i have greatly misjudged how many Steam users would buy the game on that platform. Just think if 10% of Steam users bought the game through Steam. EA would earn $3, 600, 000

WHY WOULD ANYONE NOT WANT $3, 600, 000 ?!!

Origin-exclusivity is a very very bad business model EA. How in the frak can you not see that? You're gambling on the idea that because ppl are not allowed to buy ME3 on any other digital client but Origin that they'll buy it on Origin and you'll get all the revenue. Well you forgot to take into consideration the masses of gamers you pissed off and frakked over in the past 5 years. Your reputation is shot to $#!7.

The most likely result you will find is people either simply NOT buying the game or acquiring it shadily. Do you want that? Or do you want your $3, 600, 000 ?

You know that Minecraft is not on Steam for same reason why EA games released since Dragon Age 2 are not on Steam?

Who says others don't like it?


They probably are, but either not really concerned with PC market or preparing the same thing like EA with Origin before going public with this issue.

The only reason Dragon Age II was removed from the Steam store is because it's one of EA's AAA titles, and they thought making it exclusive to Origin would increase interest in Origin.

Stupid companies, EA don't care about us - the consumers.

[CatinthehatAz]

OperativeX wrote...


How about EA stops lying?

Because saying "we want to charge more for DLC and rip people off by making them buy points" sounds bad.

[Pixieking]

Mesina2 wrote...


You know that Minecraft is not on Steam for same reason why EA games released since Dragon Age 2 are not on Steam?

It's harder to diasgree with Notch. He's not some corporate entitity, trying force a downloadable store/client on us. He just doesn't want Minecraft on Steam, since it goes against how he envisions minecraft.net. That's not the same as saying "Oh, well, we would put ME3 on Steam, but that awful Gabe Newell would stop us from making tons of money being the exclusive outlet for our DLC, so we're not going to let him sell it."

[Pixieking]

CatinthehatAz wrote...

OperativeX wrote...


How about EA stops lying?

Because saying "we want to charge more for DLC and rip people off by making them buy points" sounds bad.

Heheheh.

Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 06:45 .

[Finwik]

They're not reading this, the only way to speak to them is to cancel preorders.

[themastakillah]

wooow 147 pages in one day and still counting. i guess bioware must be really mad right now with ea for loosing all those players that probably wont buy the game because of origin.

[txa1265]

Bottom line to my opposition:

- EA has a demonstrated history of buying up developers and trashing them, and destroying franchises. No reasonable person can debate that Dragon Age 2 is *dramatically* inferior to the original - one was a Pre-EA game, the other a post-EA game. QED.

- Origin is an EA property, and they are using it not as a separate effort like Impulse that had separate teams, but as an integrated anti-competitive push. If it was 'exclusive', that might ne one thing, but being 'exclusively non-Steam' smacks as a different motive.

- Steam is 100% correct here - THEY bring the customers, so when DLC is bought through a game bought from Steam, it is not unreasonable that they should see benefit. Thinking otherwise is being an EA apologist plain and simple.

I would have no issue about Origin being required, sort of like Live for WIndows being required for Fallout 3, so long as I could get it through Steam.

EA and their old 'EA download service' has onerous terms that could simply take away your games. We have currently seen people banned from *using games they paid for* because of saying something a moderator decided he didn't like on the EA forums - MANY times. I have seen people banned from forums elsewhere, but only in-game things resulting in game bans. One method is correct, the other is user-hostile and should have any sane person completely distrust EA.

[Thoth_Amon]

Mesina2 wrote...

You know that Minecraft is not on Steam for same reason why EA games released since Dragon Age 2 are not on Steam?

Who says others don't like it?


They probably are, but either not really concerned with PC market or preparing the same thing like EA with Origin before going public with this issue.

Mojang isn't selling Minecraft anywhere BUT their own service.  EA is selling their game and DLC everywhere BUT Steam.  It's not even close to being the same situation.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

ChookAttack wrote...

But this is not a multi-player, online game.  This is a single player game, played in the privacy of my home.  You do not need ANY information, either about me or about my computer.  Any information that the game requires in order to install and run properly can be queried by the executable locally as has been done for decades without having to send any data to any company or individual.

ME3 is a multiplayer game and single player game just like Halo or MW3 they all have single player campaigns and modes. That is what adding multiplayer did to the title. It does not make any difference if a lot of people play the multipler part or most people do not if they never added multiplayer it would be more valid. It is now a multipler online game in part because that is part of the game on top of the single player mode.

I have no problems with people buying or not buying even wanting to have option, the posts I generally respond to are the ones talking about piracy, cracks, ones proclaiming that months old data (which is not accurate to what does now) is put forward as going on right now when it is not. Making threats that most won't keep (this one I probably could stop doing but they annoy me as I have seen in past most who do it are lying about it to get a reaction and that bugs the hell out of me because it makes all the ones who are sticking to their threats less credible). 

The only valid evidence they have is that the EULA still says the same as every single other EULA in existance which is they can change the EULA anytime. The fact that Origin will be included with ME3 is factual too, but that won't change and I think everyone realises this. The months old screenshots being thrown around only shows the early version of client did not do what the new one does and that it damaged some peoples trust granted. I take some slight offense to some peoples reactions where they switch from reality to fear mongering though only a few people are doing that in here. The rest of the time I have been responding to when someone asks questions about what Origin does now because I know what it does now, I have it installed and use it. I lastly have been responding to others who hold similar views to my own because it shows they are not alone in thinking that way, yet as always on BSN the anti-anything crowd will jump on those who do not take the same view on subjects like Origin as them so it is nice to let those who share similar views thats others hold the same view.

That is why I post in here.

And people wondered why I took the cram-on of multiplayer to be such a bad thing. 

As for the EULA, it's that the "change whenever and however we want" clause is on the same software that includes the "choice" between installing spyware or not playing the game, on the "promise" that the spyware won't actually spy on you.  They're telling you that they can change their "promise" to not use the spyware you at any time, and you have to agree to let them change it any time. 

[Dovahzaan]

Ryzaki wrote...

Group Made.

Joined.

[MutoidMan]

DiebytheSword wrote...

*has Origin installed*

*continues to not care*

This.

[ArkkAngel007]

abaris wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...



I got no reason to fear it more then with Steam.

First, I'm not on steam either.

Second, Origin proved what it can do. And they haven't changed the EULA as of yet. They're leaving the data collection option open. Meaning, they still can reintroduce it at some point in the future.

So, no. The issue isn't over.

They are specific on what they collect though, unlike before where it was rather "anything goes" because they wanted to cover their ***.  So they did change the EULA, just not enough.  

[Dragoonlordz]

Onychophagia wrote...

1) Will Origin be a requirement to play all versions of Mass Effect 3? (Digital and/or from a retail brick and mortar store)
Yes, Origin is required for all PC editions of Mass Effect 3, physical or digital.

No sale then. I'm not interested in Origin, unless it ditches this lame store and goes back to making great games like Wing Commander and Ultima.

I would love a new Wing Commander. So I will back you one that one specific aspect of wanting them to make another. I'll make do with my decades old retail copies for time being and GoG which sells some including the Privateer series but they so far are missing P2 (I own retail version so isn't big deal but would be nice if sold it aswell on there). 

[CroGamer002]

El Neebre wrote...

The only reason Dragon Age II was removed from the Steam store is because it's one of EA's AAA titles, and they thought making it exclusive to Origin would increase interest in Origin.

Stupid companies, EA don't care about us - the consumers.

Dragon Age Origins, Mass Effect 1 and 2 and every single EA released before Dragon Age 2 can be bought on Steam.

Do you know why?


Because developers of those games stopped making DLC's for those games.

And do to Steam's new policies, they pulled Dragon Age 2 and every EA game released after was pulled from Steam.